Brian Aka Brian 0 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Pokerstars calculator says if you are playing 12tables( high as it goes) at 42 hours a week you would hit 10403VPP's. So if i 24table for 21hours perweek would i still reach the same VPP's? Link to post Share on other sites
KoRnholio 2 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Probably. But good luck not burning yourself out within a month... or even a week. Link to post Share on other sites
Sick Boy 0 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 You would die, Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 thats like 6,000 hands a day. it is very hard to do. just move up level or something, but don;t do this i promise you that you will burn out and lose money Link to post Share on other sites
Lucoo_ 0 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Im at about to reach it having played 80-90% of my hands at NL25 and only about 10-20% at NL 50. So uh YEAH Link to post Share on other sites
kreppsen 0 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Im at about to reach it having played 80-90% of my hands at NL25 and only about 10-20% at NL 50. So uh YEAHYour almost Supernova Lucoo? Link to post Share on other sites
Frez 0 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Im at about to reach it having played 80-90% of my hands at NL25 and only about 10-20% at NL 50. So uh YEAHOP asked about limit. Obv different pot sizes and therefor diff VPPs.For goodness sake ilMakeU, just play good poker at the level you're at. Climb up with proper bankroll management and the VPPs will roll it at higher levels. Link to post Share on other sites
Lucoo_ 0 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Your almost Supernova Lucoo?Im at 92K VPPs right now gonna make it in the last few days i think. OP asked about limit. Obv different pot sizes and therefor diff VPPs.For goodness sake ilMakeU, just play good poker at the level you're at. Climb up with proper bankroll management and the VPPs will roll it at higher levels.I thought he meant like "at the .25-.50 limit". Anyhow if its limit holdem i indeed think its a pretty tough grind. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 DON'T DO THIS:You CANNOT beat limit if you 24 table, it's not as simple as NLHE, you're making so many more decisions per hand. I know of noone who wins who plays more than 15 tables, plenty try. Supernova simply isn't worth it, supernova elite..maybe.edit - I may be wrong about noone beating the game who plays that many tables, I know of noone who plays higher than 1/2 who plays that many tables and winsSupernova is very much doable at 1/2, I believe .5/1 is a large drop in the VPP rate and .25/.5 has to be even worse. If you move up to 1/2+ you'll get way more VPP/hand (I cna't remember but I think it/s 0.38 @ 1/2) and 200k+ is doable if you really wanna grind.I'd just concentrate on moving up, it'll be better for so many reasons (more $, more rakeback, you get better at poker).I started this year at 1/2 with no intention of making it much past Supernova. I've moved up to 5/10 - 10/20 and a little 15/30 now and I'm almost at 400k VPPs (376k atm). Next year I might shoot for 600k though I might take a year "off" from playing regularly. Not sure yet. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Im at about to reach it having played 80-90% of my hands at NL25 and only about 10-20% at NL 50. So uh YEAHSick. You must have played a ton.It's like .11 VPP/hand at 10c/25c? That's not far off of a million hands. (about 750k with the 50NL too?)I wish could play that many hands, i'd make elite next year :/. Link to post Share on other sites
Lucoo_ 0 Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Sick. You must have played a ton.It's like .11 VPP/hand at 10c/25c? That's not far off of a million hands. (about 750k with the 50NL too?)I wish could play that many hands, i'd make elite next year :/.Yeah since oct 1st ive played 260K according to PTR, and they even miss some hands. So i guess it's just over 1MM Link to post Share on other sites
Tugglife2 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I just recently started 12 tabling 50NL on a regular basis and usually earn ~120 VPPs an hour or more depending on when I'm playing. Supernova seems like it could be pretty achievable for me next year should I stick with it and provided i'm break even or better. I'm really not sure how the VPP rate is in .25/.50 limit but it's obviously lower. Link to post Share on other sites
Tugglife2 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Sick. You must have played a ton.It's like .11 VPP/hand at 10c/25c? That's not far off of a million hands. (about 750k with the 50NL too?)I wish could play that many hands, i'd make elite next year :/. Why can't you? Time constraints? I'd attempt to make a run at it if I were you. Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Maple 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 OPAs already mentioned, concentrate on your own individual poker game and don't get too caught up in the VIP programme. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Why can't you? Time constraints? I'd attempt to make a run at it if I were you.I'm a lazy git when it comes to grinding multiple tables for several hours. I'm working on getting better at it. It works out to something like 45 hours a week 4 tabling 10/20 -15/30 48 weeks a year. If I play pro in 2011 and the system is still in place I will definitely consider it. I won't be playing pro next year.Most people who go for SNE playing LHE tend to break even or lose. I would not consider playing that volume without knowing I was a decent winning player, I need a few more months of decent results to prove I am at those limits. Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Aka Brian 0 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 DON'T DO THIS:Supernova is very much doable at 1/2, I believe .5/1 is a large drop in the VPP rate and .25/.5 has to be even worse. If you move up to 1/2+ you'll get way more VPP/hand (I cna't remember but I think it/s 0.38 @ 1/2) and 200k+ is doable if you really wanna grind.I'd just concentrate on moving up, it'll be better for so many reasons (more $, more rakeback, you get better at poker).I started this year at 1/2 with no intention of making it much past Supernova. I've moved up to 5/10 - 10/20 and a little 15/30 now and I'm almost at 400k VPPs (376k atm). Next year I might shoot for 600k though I might take a year "off" from playing regularly. Not sure yet.I will not be trying to make supernova at .25/.50 limit i agree it would be a insane amount of time/focus at this level, I should have asked if its realistic not if it is possible, I will be trying to take a run at the 1/2 limit hold'em most likely 3to4 tabling im thinking 6max (not sure yet).Goodluck at hitting 600k.OPAs already mentioned, concentrate on your own individual poker game and don't get too caught up in the VIP programme.As long as im not blowing my roll trying to achieve it can only be a good thing to improve my VIP as mainly a Mtt player i barely hit sliver. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Hypothetically, if someone played $0.25/0.50 limit enough to make Supernova - what would the benefits be? I'm out of the online loop, but how much are the points worth? Free tourney entries? My understanding was a lot of the benefits of being at that level is higher multiples of FPPs - which would mean just making the level doesn't have a lot of benefit...you'd need to be playing at that level. Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Aka Brian 0 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 Hypothetically, if someone played $0.25/0.50 limit enough to make Supernova - what would the benefits be? I'm out of the online loop, but how much are the points worth? Free tourney entries? My understanding was a lot of the benefits of being at that level is higher multiples of FPPs - which would mean just making the level doesn't have a lot of benefit...you'd need to be playing at that level.You earn 3.5 FPP credits for every 1 VPP earned$1,500 or $4,000 reward bonus available for purchase from the VIP StoreAs you reach various VIP Milestones you can purchase special cash credits.When players hit one of the following VPP milestones they will be eligible to purchase a cash reward for 50,000 FPPs: * $800 at 100,000 VPP * $2,000 at 200,000 VPP * $3,000 at 300,000 VPP * $4,000 at 400,000 VPP * $5,000 at 500,000 VPP * $6,000 at 600,000 VPP * $8,000 at 800,000 VPP$30,000 tourney (Saturdays at 14:30 for 100 FPP buy-in)$75,000 tourney (Saturdays at 14:00 – free entry)$100,000 freeroll (Last Saturday of each month – free entry)Use your FPP credits to buy into the regular weekly tourneys as well as major events from the World Championship of Online Poker, PokerStars Caribbean Adventure, European Poker Tour events or the *World Series of Poker main event Link to post Share on other sites
kreppsen 0 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Yeah since oct 1st ive played 260K according to PTR, and they even miss some hands. So i guess it's just over 1MMYou're my hero Lucoo, if I had the chance to play regulary I think I might would be able to do 400k hands. At the moment I really can't see myself be a grinder.As for this post, making supernova, comes with winnings. I knew a guy that tried to make Supernova Elite, but he said it simply ain't worth it unless you got a huge bankroll and a lot of time. Try improve your game and jump levels, then when you crush the higher limits, go grind VPP.And really, why would you want Supernova, unless you're going for Supernova Elite to claim your tourney packages I really can't see what there's in it to grind VPP for Platinum/super... Other than status and a good feeling. Link to post Share on other sites
Escalante 0 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 First post here. OP, I grinded 25c-50c for around 6 months. I 24 tabled them. And I think I maybe made 25-30 VPP/hr. In order to make a VPP @ the time, the pot had to reach 16 bb. W/the new system, I dunno. You'd have to be really committed. 50c-$1 level is possible though. I'll be getting there this month (started in July) DON'T DO THIS:You CANNOT beat limit if you 24 table, it's not as simple as NLHE, you're making so many more decisions per hand. I know of noone who wins who plays more than 15 tables, plenty try. Supernova simply isn't worth it, supernova elite..maybe.edit - I may be wrong about noone beating the game who plays that many tables, I know of noone who plays higher than 1/2 who plays that many tables and winsIt can be done. I don't know of many players that 24 table for a profit other than myself. But there are enough fish to make it profitable. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I have mad respect for anyone who can 24 table LHE and actually win. I struggle past 6 tables. Link to post Share on other sites
RCHNoory 0 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I have mad respect for anyone who can 24 table LHE and actually win. I struggle past 6 tables.This reminds me of when I was 10 tabling Party in 2006. After three months of it I was so burned out I didn't want to play limit ever again. I've tried, and never been able to go back. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 LHE on Party in 2006 is a ton different to LHE on Stars in 2009 Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I think the real question here isHas anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? Link to post Share on other sites
Escalante 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 I think the real question here isHas anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?I think so... Link to post Share on other sites
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