Balloon guy, on Monday, March 8th, 2010, 12:10 PM, said:
The disciples asked "What will be the sign of your coming?"Christ begins to explain what those signs are, and He says the people who see those signs will be the generation hat will not pass away, not the ones who are listening to Him that day.
No, he really doesn't.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
You're choosing to read this metaphorically. As a believer, you have
to read it metaphorically, in order to keep it from being wrong. But there's no metaphor there. [That's also Base Jester's point. Unless you believe that all these things have already occurred, in the lifetime of that generation, then the statement is wrong.] You're saying that what the bolded lines mean is "the generation that sees these things shall be deathless." But that's not what it says. In fact, it says exactly the opposite -- "this generation will not die until all these things happen."
Most believe that Christ did appear to Paul, The resurrected Christ, not a vision of the resurrected Christ. Which is why I said he (Paul) did meet Christ.Although we can explore the idea you are promoting that it was only a vision.
Well, again, believers believe. But Paul himself called it a vision. Here are the passages, Acts 9 followed by Acts 22:
3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 7And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
6And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. 7And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 8And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. 9And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Contradiction alert in bold.Here's what Paul calls it in Acts 26:
13At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. 19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision
Paul never claims to have seen anyone, but only to have heard a voice, and he also calls it a vision. So I don't think I'm too far off in calling it a vision myself. You want to argue it's not a vision, take it up with Paul.[P.S. By habit I use the KJV translation, but just to be sure I checked other English-language translations. Darby, Wycliffe, Young's Literal, and all contemporary-English translations also use the word "vision" in Acts 26:19.]