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[DonkSlayer]

hypothetical situation/situations.We're deep in a NL HE tourney, sitting somewhere between 20-30 bbs. We have the two players to our immediate left covered but not by much. We've been playing relatively aggressively IP while at this table, often enough that it's hard to believe everyone hasn't noticed. We've been making raises with hands like 76s, J10s, 77, but also with much better hands we'd be willing to call a shove with, like AQ, KK, etc. So it comes around to us on the button or the sb. Over the last 10 hands that we've had checked to us preflop, we've raised 4-5.We see a hand like , or , etc. I always get caught up here because my hand value is better than, say, what the two shorstack blinds to my left will have on average. Still, because of my previous aggression, I am much more likely to get called or pushed back at with hands that I could be marginally ahead of but not by much. What do you do in these situations? Any guidance? Or, reworded, if I've been playing the aggression game to accumulate chips and a situation arises where a value move would seem more appropriate, do I switch gears?

[Gallo]

DonkSlayer, on Tuesday, November 18th, 2008, 2:57 PM, said:

hypothetical situation/situations.We're deep in a NL HE tourney, sitting somewhere between 20-30 bbs. We have the two players to our immediate left covered but not by much. We've been playing relatively aggressively IP while at this table, often enough that it's hard to believe everyone hasn't noticed. We've been making raises with hands like 76s, J10s, 77, but also with much better hands we'd be willing to call a shove with, like AQ, KK, etc. So it comes around to us on the button or the sb. Over the last 10 hands that we've had checked to us preflop, we've raised 4-5.We see a hand like , or , etc. I always get caught up here because my hand value is better than, say, what the two shorstack blinds to my left will have on average. Still, because of my previous aggression, I am much more likely to get called or pushed back at with hands that I could be marginally ahead of but not by much. What do you do in these situations? Any guidance? Or, reworded, if I've been playing the aggression game to accumulate chips and a situation arises where a value move would seem more appropriate, do I switch gears?

I think alot depends on the blinds' stacks.

[HighwayStar]

BIG difference between how I play in the SB and OTB#Also depends on the stack sizes left to act and how likely they are to repop me.I generally don't raise too light on the button in these spots and I complete in the SB a lot more than most people/I should If there's a BB who has shown a tendancy to repop - also with the aggressive image I/you have- I'm not often raise/folding from the button. If I'm opening light, I'm doing it more from MP or earlier cause you get played back at so much.Vs < 15 BB stacks to act I often shove hands like you say as you can get called lighter. Vs say an repopping 22 BB stack in the BB I'm not doing much with either, maybe complete with the ace with the intention of limp/shoving sometimes.

[DonkSlayer]

Gallo, on Tuesday, November 18th, 2008, 3:20 PM, said:

I think alot depends on the blinds' stacks.

Was my explanation of their stacks not precise enough in the OP?Adding to my OP, I guess what I've presented is what to do in a situation where we have a hand with a higher value than the av random holding, but because of our past aggression we have 0 fold equity...and perhaps even a negative FE (more likely to call than they would be in the same situation getting exactly the right odds).

[Gallo]

DonkSlayer, on Tuesday, November 18th, 2008, 5:31 PM, said:

Was my explanation of their stacks not precise enough in the OP?Adding to my OP, I guess what I've presented is what to do in a situation where we have a hand with a higher value than the av random holding, but because of our past aggression we have 0 fold equity...and perhaps even a negative FE (more likely to call than they would be in the same situation getting exactly the right odds).

Not really.Do they have 5BBs, 10BBs, 15BBs, 20BBs?

[DonkSlayer]

Let's assume they have 4 bb's less.

[Gallo]

DonkSlayer, on Tuesday, November 18th, 2008, 9:01 PM, said:

Let's assume they have 4 bb's less.

Then, I'm insta-shoving on them with a wide range.I instashoved the BB with 9d2d, he called with 77. Flop K9K. g him. He was pissed and called me a donk and said if I kept using that strategy I would never win.

[MovingIn]

Depends on what range they push back with, or if they'll just tilt and push back with ATC at some point.If they require a given range, it may be still worth a raise since the majority of the time, they won't have the cards to play back. You can always dump it if they 3bet or call and fire back on the flop (unless of course we flop a big hand).

[copernicus]

fold the A6, limp or standard (2.5x) raise the 3s. Theres no reason to get fancy here when marginal hands may look you up and youre out of position. Playing A6 here is a recipe for disaster.