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[Balloon guy]

Russia threatens to take out nuke defensesObama asks for them to help him get re-elected.

[timwakefield]

Balloon guy, on Thursday, May 3rd, 2012, 3:03 PM, said:

Obama asks for them to help him get re-elected.

Just say ridiculous lies, maybe somebody will believe some of them.

[Balloon guy]

timwakefield, on Thursday, May 3rd, 2012, 11:38 PM, said:

Just say ridiculous lies, maybe somebody will believe some of them.

Okay

[Balloon guy]

President Obama announces his campaign, in a half empty stadium.Stadium holds 20,000Obama campaign claims they drew 17,000Does it look like they are only 13% away from capacity?For comparison, Obama was able to draw a crowd of 35,000 in 2010 ABC News reported that the Obama campaign expected to max out capacity....I guess they got it half right....

[hblask]

Balloon guy, on 05 May 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

I guess they got it half right....

So are you saying they are improving rapidly?

[Balloon guy]

Correction, it seems CNN has actually reported that the stadium was half empty.I'm sure someone will lose their job soon.

[Balloon guy]

President Obama is really classlessCliffs:If you send us some money you get chance to have the Prez tweet your mom a happy mother's day!Next week, the president of the most powerful country in the world will record your phone machine message for only $20.

[CaneBrain]

lol. Seriously, BG? You got hammered for that misleading picture from hours before the event "elsewhere" so you came here for a more sympathetic audience?

[Balloon guy]

?FCP got the same post...I have a clear link you can argue about, but trying to imply that you win before you even make a point is the sign of your lack of ability to defend the President's classlessness...

[LongLiveYorke]

+ SomethingObama says gay marriage should be legal.Duh.

[SAM_Hard8]

LongLiveYorke, on 09 May 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

+ SomethingObama says gay marriage should be legal.Duh.

'bout time. You know that's what he's always believed but really couldn't say because of the homophobia of this country. I'll give him points for having the balls to finally say it.

[phlegm]

Obama has evolved. Unlike Romney who flip flops.

[timwakefield]

It is ludicrous that the Republican party is against gay marriage. Shameful too. Mostly shameful, in fact. I've never even heard a rational argument for it. "The Bible says so" is retarded on like 15 different levels. "Marriage is/should be between a man and a woman" is a non-argument. And those are basically the only arguments made by people who oppose it, other than "boo fags," which is blatantly irrational.

[timwakefield]

Louis CK echoes my sentiments, but with the funny:

[vbnautilus]

timwakefield, on 09 May 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

It is ludicrous that the Republican party is against gay marriage. Shameful too. Mostly shameful, in fact. I've never even heard a rational argument for it. "The Bible says so" is retarded on like 15 different levels. "Marriage is/should be between a man and a woman" is a non-argument. And those are basically the only arguments made by people who oppose it, other than "boo fags," which is blatantly irrational.

How do you feel about brother-sister marriages and why?

[brvheart]

I'm also interested in your views on polygamy, Tim.

[DJ Vu]

vbnautilus, on 09 May 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

How do you feel about brother-sister marriages and why?

A Lannister always pays his debts.

[ShakeZuma]

so why should it be illegal for a brother and sister to marry or for a dude to marry 5 women? if they're all consenting adults, where is the harm, and why should the majority infringe on their rights because they think it's weird? I can only imagine the answer is that it has a negative impact on the "family unit" or whatever (brother/sister because they make corky's and polygamists because... well, I don't know) but that should only be a concern if marriage is in any way a prerequisite to having kids and/or starting a family, and it in no way is. brothers and sisters having sex will most likely produce retarded offspring, which is bad, so it's perfectly fine to me to ban brother and sister banging, but that isn't the same thing as banning them getting married because they're two separate things.

[vbnautilus]

ShakeZuma, on 09 May 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

so why should it be illegal for a brother and sister to marry or for a dude to marry 5 women? if they're all consenting adults, where is the harm, and why should the majority infringe on their rights because they think it's weird? I can only imagine the answer is that it has a negative impact on the "family unit" or whatever (brother/sister because they make corky's and polygamists because... well, I don't know) but that should only be a concern if marriage is in any way a prerequisite to having kids and/or starting a family, and it in no way is. brothers and sisters having sex will most likely produce retarded offspring, which is bad, so it's perfectly fine to me to ban brother and sister banging, but that isn't the same thing as banning them getting married because they're two separate things.

The fact is that most people have deep moral intuitions about these things that are not really rational, but based on "gut feelings" that they cannot readily explain. For timewakefield's sake, I just wanted to him to access one of his own feelings about this issue -- aversion to brother/sister union is pretty universal, and while it can be justified by the the offspring issue, that's not really the direct source of it. The feeling that something is wrong is not always easy to rationalize oneself out of. Intuitions like these can be very deeply held, and can also be an important source of information.(I'm not saying we should succumb to these feelings, but it's worth understanding where people are coming from).

[ShakeZuma]

yeah, that's really the basis of all of these arguments isn't it? what we "feel" is right even though we don't have any way of proving it. sorry for jumping in front of tim, hopefully he can still answer, but my view of government is that if an action doesn't directly infringe on anybody else's rights, then we have no justification to take away the rights to those actions.but really, the hilarious part about all of this is that for the past couple of weeks it's been nothing but europe spiraling out of control and the job situation in the us slowing on back down and BAM, gay marriage. changed the subject that easily. we're all a bunch of kittens chasing a feather on a stick.