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PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9diamond.gif, Qdiamond.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.50. UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (6 SB) Aspade.gif, 8club.gif, Jdiamond.gif(6 players)SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO raises, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.Turn: (7 BB) 5diamond.gif(4 players)BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.River: (7 BB) Qheart.gif(4 players)BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, BB folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls.Final Pot: 10 BBI called because cutoff's check on the turn confused the fizz out of me.

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i don't think i can call on the river, it looks like 10-9 or possibly A-5

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From first look, I don't mind call if table has been consistently loose passive but I fold this pre alot.Flop is fold or raise, raising if you have weak opponents behind you or even if BB is weak. Pot big enough to try and push people out but if we are playing this hand pre against weak passives pre then you are most likely already beat here and only continuing if you can get some folds.You trapped yourself for 2 bets which is super ick.I don't know on river. Feels like a rag out their to me. I'm still a river donk especially in this size a pot or bigger so I may still call. Really does look like Arag to me.

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Flop is fold or raise,
why would we raise the flop with just a gutshot straight draw? if there had already been several callers and we had position then maybe, but def not here.the flop call is close, too, imo. but if we think we can get a player or two behind us to call as well and we have decent implied odds on the big streets so i think its ok.i fold the river because we're not closing action and MP has something to be calling this whole way (though, it could be a J or something)also, i agree preflop is close. ill play it depending on how im running, what kinda mood im in, etc. im definately playing QTs there, so its not all that bad.
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please keep playing this preflop.I'm 10x closer to raisng this here than I would fold it.folding the flop is debateable, maybe. Even if it's raised 1/2 the time behind us, we can easily make up the moneyThere's no indication that AA/JJ are out there, so we probably win 80-90% of the time we hit our T.CO played it well if he has T9River s/b a fold, given CO woke up again; but he obv has fold equity as everyone here wants to fold.************8If CO was psting this hand here and has KJ... do you all like his bet?see where I'm going?Are we behind MP2 too often?

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Especially with a Poster and LIMPER.
you think Q9 is that far ahead of a limpers range enough so that isolating might be good?youd rather raise Q9 in this spot but not 66 first in?
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you think Q9 is that far ahed of a limpers range that isolating might be good?youd rather raise Q9 in this spot but not 66 first in?
I like dead money and buying the button.I dont mind Q9s suited post flop, 4 handed for 8 SB in the pot.We have an equity edge over limper and poster and the field and our hand play well multiway too.It's a win win if we get folds or calls.BUT.... my point, Raising >>>>>> Folding. Not Rasing >>>>>>>> Calling. That part is style; but folding blows.I limp this sometimes, I raise it others.Good blinds, Good Button, I limp.
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im growing less and less fond of 2-gappersbut, i agree, calling is better than folding. im just not sure its way better.

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why would we raise the flop with just a gutshot straight draw? if there had already been several callers and we had position then maybe, but def not here.the flop call is close, too, imo. but if we think we can get a player or two behind us to call as well and we have decent implied odds on the big streets so i think its ok.i fold the river because we're not closing action and MP has something to be calling this whole way (though, it could be a J or something)also, i agree preflop is close. ill play it depending on how im running, what kinda mood im in, etc. im definately playing QTs there, so its not all that bad.
We have not been given reads this hand until turn here. If I raise the flop, it is to knock people out of this hand because the pot is big. The bet came from my left and no ne had shown aggression preflop. Unless slow playing I do believe in most big pot you should always raise or fold when bet comes to your left. Pretty simple reasoning for it. I want better hands to fold and I want To give myself a better chance to win this pot. I forcing all to call 2 cold and BB ned to reevaluate how strong their hand is.If I know how the table plays, I play different. If table is loose calling stations, then I would probbaly tend to call here too as that is main reason I would be in the pot with this hand. I do not know this here so I see big pot here and I have no reason to believe that BB has a super hand yet. Raise. If I do not have belief I can get folds then I fold. You do not know if you'll have to call 2 back to you. That would stink making a mistake by calling then having the odds to call 2 more cold. Plus your gutshot is not the nuts, so I do not want to let the T kick me in the butt against KQ. Get that draw out, give BB a scare(if he is weak). In all reality I fold in this pot pre and most likely on flop with no reads... but..... you have to find a way to win some of these bigger pots at times.
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but raising with Q high and probably getting yourself HU against a hand that's way ahead of yours isn't the best way to win the pot.also, you shouldn't be trying to win pots. you should be trying to make the best decisions that win you the most number of bets. if you wanted to win the most pots, bet or call all the way to the end with every hand. then, you'd win the most pots. the goal is to win the most amount of bets, and make the most amont of correct decisions

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You win. I try to take pots this way as, one, sometimes it works and two, it helps me get more bets per hand over a whole session as peeps know I'm capable of anything. I really do not like calling this hand wihtout knowledge of the probable outcome behind me.So being generic, I fold and most likely fold pre.

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You win. I try to take pots this way as, one, sometimes it works and two, it helps me get more bets per hand over a whole session as peeps know I'm capable of anything. I really do not like calling this hand wihtout knowledge of the probable outcome behind me.So being generic, I fold and most likely fold pre.
if we had a pair we thought might be ahead of BB's betting range, raising might be good. but all we have here is Q high. certainly our hand is not good at the moment, but we have a draw to a hand that's most likely to be good if we make it, plus a backdoor flush draw. with draws, you want as many victims, er, players in as you can to pay you off when you hit. trying to eliminate KQ or something isn't a bad idea, but it's the least of our priorities on this flop.
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To add, still learning and deciphering things. i do not want to win every pot but do moreso when it is large.

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if we had a pair we thought might be ahead of BB's betting range, raising might be good. but all we have here is Q high. certainly our hand is not good at the moment, but we have a draw to a hand that's most likely to be good if we make it, plus a backdoor flush draw. with draws, you want as many victims, er, players in as you can to pay you off when you hit. trying to eliminate KQ or something isn't a bad idea, but it's the least of our priorities on this flop.
my two biggest problems is either I am too aggressive in big pots and I think on the flip side, against certain opponents, I pay off too much.But I'm finally back up at the level I play and I think it is partly because I get paid off when I have a hand(frequesntly as I'm tight) since I make these overaggressive moves.My object now I guess is to be properly selective.
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