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[Jadaki]

bigkg, on Tuesday, October 3rd, 2006, 9:08 PM, said:

The IMDB top 250 is a joke. Shawshank, LOTR, Pulp Fiction, and Star Wars shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10.

First off, that list is nothing more than a popularity contest. There are perfectly good reasons all those movies are on there.Shawshank has all the business in the world being in any top ten list, its a excellent story, well acted, and is enjoyable no matter how many times you watched it. I can't think of a single flaw with the movie.LOTR (and Star Wars before it) were very revolutionary in their own way. They change the way movies are made, and provide something a lot of movies don't, an escape to an alternate reality where the simple conflict of good and evil is both apparent and enjoyable. Pulp Fiction is an excellent film for many reasons, not sure that it's top ten but even if it wasn't top 20 is perfectly reasonable. It's great storytelling, and has a very unique feel to it.And to whoever was ripping on Boondock Saints just doesn't get it. It's not supposed to be an acadamy award winning picture, its a entertaining story of two brothers turned vigilantes. There is plenty of humor and very memorable characters. The deleted scenes of Boondock Saints are funnier than 90% of the comedies released these days."Rule of thumb, should have been a rule of wrist"

[showstopper24]

bigkg, on Tuesday, October 3rd, 2006, 8:08 PM, said:

The IMDB top 250 is a joke. Shawshank, LOTR, Pulp Fiction, and Star Wars shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10.

what are you talking about? LOtR and Star Wars aren't in the top 10?

[finztotheleft]

One of my favorites that no one has mentioned, DOAAlso tied for top pics:Shawshank RedemptionThe Usual SuspectsBraveheartHonorable Mentions:Remember the TitansPirates of the Carribbean one and twoShreck one and twoJust because I love them :Star Wars seriesLOTR trilogyHarry Potter seriesThe last three are particularly important to me for helping me to instill a love of reading in my kids.

[bigkg]

Jadaki, on Wednesday, October 4th, 2006, 6:34 PM, said:

First off, that list is nothing more than a popularity contest. There are perfectly good reasons all those movies are on there.Shawshank has all the business in the world being in any top ten list, its a excellent story, well acted, and is enjoyable no matter how many times you watched it. I can't think of a single flaw with the movie.LOTR (and Star Wars before it) were very revolutionary in their own way. They change the way movies are made, and provide something a lot of movies don't, an escape to an alternate reality where the simple conflict of good and evil is both apparent and enjoyable. Pulp Fiction is an excellent film for many reasons, not sure that it's top ten but even if it wasn't top 20 is perfectly reasonable. It's great storytelling, and has a very unique feel to it.And to whoever was ripping on Boondock Saints just doesn't get it. It's not supposed to be an acadamy award winning picture, its a entertaining story of two brothers turned vigilantes. There is plenty of humor and very memorable characters. The deleted scenes of Boondock Saints are funnier than 90% of the comedies released these days."Rule of thumb, should have been a rule of wrist"

Yea, it is a popularity contest. I just have problems with people that cite it as a legit list.Anybody that honestly believes that Shawshank is a top-ten movie of ALL-TIME is absolutely out of their mind, knows nothing about film, or just hasn't seen nearly enough movies. It was a good movie, but in no ways do I believe it was a great movie. Honestly, it probably even shouldn't be in the top 50, or even 100.I liked both LOTR and Star Wars. Too say they were both revolutionary is a little much. Star Wars, I guess, but I feel people give it too much credit. 2001: A Space Odyssey, is a much better movie (IMO the greatest movie ever), and is much more revolutionary in terms of special effects, sci-fi in general, pacing, and cinematography. Pulp Fiction is also a very good movie in my opinion, I enjoy it a lot. However, I wouldn't even put it in my top 50 films.I honestly don't see anything good about Boondock Saints, and I don't really feel like getting into it.

[showstopper24]

finztotheleft, on Wednesday, October 4th, 2006, 7:25 PM, said:

One of my favorites that no one has mentioned, DOAAlso tied for top pics:Shawshank RedemptionThe Usual SuspectsBraveheartHonorable Mentions:Remember the TitansPirates of the Carribbean one and twoShreck one and twoJust because I love them :Star Wars seriesLOTR trilogyHarry Potter seriesThe last three are particularly important to me for helping me to instill a love of reading in my kids.

I am a harry potter dork which i have said many times. Becaue i love the books, i hate the movies. when i read the books, i have a set picture in my mind what they look like and that is why i like the books. Rowling describes them so well but the movies ruin them for me. The movies are good the first time you see them but i made the mistake of seeing the third and fourth multiple times and now when i read the books, i think of the weakish dumbledore that is portrayed in the movies

[brvheart]

bigkg, on Wednesday, October 4th, 2006, 9:31 PM, said:

Yea, it is a popularity contest. I just have problems with people that cite it as a legit list.Anybody that honestly believes that Shawshank is a top-ten movie of ALL-TIME is absolutely out of their mind, knows nothing about film, or just hasn't seen nearly enough movies. It was a good movie, but in no ways do I believe it was a great movie. Honestly, it probably even shouldn't be in the top 50, or even 100.I liked both LOTR and Star Wars. Too say they were both revolutionary is a little much. Star Wars, I guess, but I feel people give it too much credit. 2001: A Space Odyssey, is a much better movie (IMO the greatest movie ever), and is much more revolutionary in terms of special effects, sci-fi in general, pacing, and cinematography. Pulp Fiction is also a very good movie in my opinion, I enjoy it a lot. However, I wouldn't even put it in my top 50 films.I honestly don't see anything good about Boondock Saints, and I don't really feel like getting into it.

At what point did you lose your mind?

[BigDMcGee]

bigkg, on Wednesday, October 4th, 2006, 7:31 PM, said:

Yea, it is a popularity contest. I just have problems with people that cite it as a legit list.Anybody that honestly believes that Shawshank is a top-ten movie of ALL-TIME is absolutely out of their mind, knows nothing about film, or just hasn't seen nearly enough movies. It was a good movie, but in no ways do I believe it was a great movie. Honestly, it probably even shouldn't be in the top 50, or even 100.I liked both LOTR and Star Wars. Too say they were both revolutionary is a little much. Star Wars, I guess, but I feel people give it too much credit. 2001: A Space Odyssey, is a much better movie (IMO the greatest movie ever), and is much more revolutionary in terms of special effects, sci-fi in general, pacing, and cinematography. Pulp Fiction is also a very good movie in my opinion, I enjoy it a lot. However, I wouldn't even put it in my top 50 films.I honestly don't see anything good about Boondock Saints, and I don't really feel like getting into it.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.. though I believe you've underrated Pulp Fiction, I agree with everythign you say. I also think you under-estimate Star Wars' influence on movies. However, it's influence was to spawn a genre of movie I hate, the hollywood block buster ( jaws started the trend, but SW hit it out of the park) My love of this movie from my child hood completely biases my ability to judge it objectively, so I don't even mention it in my top movies.. it's above and beyond any top movie list I make.

[bigkg]

BigDMcGee, on Wednesday, October 4th, 2006, 10:46 PM, said:

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.. though I believe you've underrated Pulp Fiction, I agree with everythign you say. I also think you under-estimate Star Wars' influence on movies. However, it's influence was to spawn a genre of movie I hate, the hollywood block buster ( jaws started the trend, but SW hit it out of the park) My love of this movie from my child hood completely biases my ability to judge it objectively, so I don't even mention it in my top movies.. it's above and beyond any top movie list I make.

I really like Pulp Fiction but in no ways would it be in the greatest 50 movies ever.I completely realize what Star Wars did to the make up of Hollywood with the birth of the "Blockbuster" movie. People just always say it was a revolutionary movie in terms of science-fiction. However, I just feel that 2001 was much much much much more revolutionary. The stuff they did in that movie was just incredible. To this day I have never seen a movie with better special effects, and it was released in 1968. The concepts that Kubrick came up with about space were and are still just mindblowing. If you haven't seen it, do it now.

[cuddlemonkey]

Loismustdie, on Wednesday, October 4th, 2006, 6:30 PM, said:

There are 4 movies I can always watch, and will if I am home and they are on. A league of their own, The last of the Mohicans, Heat and Tombstone.

One of these things is not like the other...

showstopper24, on Wednesday, October 4th, 2006, 9:41 PM, said:

I am a harry potter dork which i have said many times. Becaue i love the books, i hate the movies. when i read the books, i have a set picture in my mind what they look like and that is why i like the books. Rowling describes them so well but the movies ruin them for me. The movies are good the first time you see them but i made the mistake of seeing the third and fourth multiple times and now when i read the books, i think of the weakish dumbledore that is portrayed in the movies

I'll disagree. I like Gambon's Dumbledore and I think that, with the exception of Alfonso Cuaron, the movies have been as faithful to the books as possible, given the complexity of the source material.

[bigkg]

brvheart, on Wednesday, October 4th, 2006, 10:16 PM, said:

At what point did you lose your mind?

Don't you think Braveheart is the greatest movie ever?

[BigDMcGee]

bigkg, on Wednesday, October 4th, 2006, 8:58 PM, said:

I really like Pulp Fiction but in no ways would it be in the greatest 50 movies ever.I completely realize what Star Wars did to the make up of Hollywood with the birth of the "Blockbuster" movie. People just always say it was a revolutionary movie in terms of science-fiction. However, I just feel that 2001 was much much much much more revolutionary. The stuff they did in that movie was just incredible. To this day I have never seen a movie with better special effects, and it was released in 1968. The concepts that Kubrick came up with about space were and are still just mindblowing. If you haven't seen it, do it now.

Dr Strangelove is my favorite movie of all time, you think i'd have missed space oddessy?and I just disagree about pulp fiction complettely. I think it was an amazing movie, amzingly shot, and had a profound impact on american cinema (mostly posititve.) I think 100 years from now pulp fiction will be considered teh most important ( in terms of movie history) movie in the 90's.

bigkg, on Thursday, October 5th, 2006, 7:59 AM, said:

Don't you think Braveheart is the greatest movie ever?

I watched that again the other day for the first time in years, what a pile of crap. It would be totally worthless if not for the insanely brutal fight scenes.

[SuitedAces21]

bigkg, on Thursday, October 5th, 2006, 6:59 AM, said:

Don't you think Braveheart is the greatest movie ever?

not even close.

[bigkg]

Just got done reminding myself why 2001: A Space Odyssey is the greatest movie ever.

[brvheart]

bigkg, on Thursday, October 5th, 2006, 9:59 AM, said:

Don't you think Braveheart is the greatest movie ever?

It's in the top 10. AINEC.

BigDMcGee, on Thursday, October 5th, 2006, 10:03 AM, said:

I watched that again the other day for the first time in years, what a pile of crap. It would be totally worthless if not for the insanely brutal fight scenes.

You're still dead to me.

bigkg, on Wednesday, October 4th, 2006, 9:31 PM, said:

Anybody that honestly believes that Shawshank is a top-ten movie of ALL-TIME is absolutely out of their mind, knows nothing about film, or just hasn't seen nearly enough movies. It was a good movie, but in no ways do I believe it was a great movie. Honestly, it probably even shouldn't be in the top 50, or even 100.

I was speaking directly to this quote. Shawshank is easily in the top 50 best movies ever and probably the top 10. I think that's pretty clear just looking over the responses on this very thread. I find it interesting, and bigkg I want to be clear that I'm not trying to single you out because I like you a lot, but I find it very interesting that 'film buffs' (not to be confused with 'movie' buffs) think that their opinion is somehow more heavily weighted than anyone else. It's just stupid. I don't really care if KDawg thinks that Citizen Kane is the best movie ever. (I don't really know if this is true, just using it as an example... so KDawg please don't ban me) If 100 million people say that Shawshank is better than Citizen Kane then it doesn't matter how technically amazing Citizen Kane is/was.... Shawshank is a better movie, because MORE PEOPLE think so... it's simply a matter of statistics since opinion is OBVIOUSLY relative.

[bigkg]

brvheart, on Thursday, October 5th, 2006, 11:00 PM, said:

I was speaking directly to this quote. Shawshank is easily in the top 50 best movies ever and probably the top 10. I think that's pretty clear just looking over the responses on this very thread. I find it interesting, and bigkg I want to be clear that I'm not trying to single you out because I like you a lot, but I find it very interesting that 'film buffs' (not to be confused with 'movie' buffs) think that their opinion is somehow more heavily weighted than anyone else. It's just stupid. I don't really care if KDawg thinks that Citizen Kane is the best movie ever. (I don't really know if this is true, just using it as an example... so KDawg please don't ban me) If 100 million people say that Shawshank is better than Citizen Kane then it doesn't matter how technically amazing Citizen Kane is/was.... Shawshank is a better movie, because MORE PEOPLE think so... it's simply a matter of statistics since opinion is OBVIOUSLY relative.

What you're saying here is also just a matter of opinion.My favorite movies are the movies that I think are great movies. By great movies I mean movies that are very technically sound. You'll never be able to convince me that Shawshank is a better film than Citizen Kane because more people like it. Here's how I see it. There are two type of people: people that like movies solely for entertainment and people that enjoy movies as an artform. The majority of people fall into the entertainment type category, and that's totally fine.It does kind of bother me though at the mindset of most people in regards to movies. I can't really get mad at their opinions, but I can get mad at their sheer ignorance (not saying you're in this group brvheart). Most people have never seen and will never see a movie made before 1970, and that's a fact, you can't deny that. Hell, there's a joke between my friends about me that I don't like any movie made after 1990 (not true at all btw). Back to my point, most people will say "Oh, Shawshank is easily one of the greatest movies ever" but haven't even seen hundreds of other movies that could easily replace it. There are just so many movies that people have never seen and will never see and that just bothers me. Not because of the fact that people don't have the access to seeing these films, but because they just don't want to. I'm now realizing that I don't really know where I'm going with this, but I'll continue anyways. I don't think that more people saying a certain movie is better makes it better, it just makes it more popular. Case in point in one of my English classes in high school we watched the Matrix (for whatever reason I do not know), most of my classmates enjoyed it. Now, in my film studies class Senior year we watched Citizen Kane, The Maltese Falcon, and Lawrence of Arabia. I enjoyed all of those movies, however, I'm pretty sure maybe one other person in my class did. If anybody can honestly tell me that the Matrix is a better movie than Citizen Kane, The Maltese Falcon, and Lawrence of Arabia, then I don't know, I might just shoot them or something.Ok, that went nowhere, whatever. End rant.

[brvheart]

bigkg, on Thursday, October 5th, 2006, 11:27 PM, said:

What you're saying here is also just a matter of opinion.My favorite movies are the movies that I think are great movies. By great movies I mean movies that are very technically sound. You'll never be able to convince me that Shawshank is a better film than Citizen Kane because more people like it. Here's how I see it. There are two type of people: people that like movies solely for entertainment and people that enjoy movies as an artform. The majority of people fall into the entertainment type category, and that's totally fine.It does kind of bother me though at the mindset of most people in regards to movies. I can't really get mad at their opinions, but I can get mad at their sheer ignorance (not saying you're in this group brvheart). Most people have never seen and will never see a movie made before 1970, and that's a fact, you can't deny that. Hell, there's a joke between my friends about me that I don't like any movie made after 1990 (not true at all btw). Back to my point, most people will say "Oh, Shawshank is easily one of the greatest movies ever" but haven't even seen hundreds of other movies that could easily replace it. There are just so many movies that people have never seen and will never see and that just bothers me. Not because of the fact that people don't have the access to seeing these films, but because they just don't want to. I'm now realizing that I don't really know where I'm going with this, but I'll continue anyways. I don't think that more people saying a certain movie is better makes it better, it just makes it more popular. Case in point in one of my English classes in high school we watched the Matrix (for whatever reason I do not know), most of my classmates enjoyed it. Now, in my film studies class Senior year we watched Citizen Kane, The Maltese Falcon, and Lawrence of Arabia. I enjoyed all of those movies, however, I'm pretty sure maybe one other person in my class did. If anybody can honestly tell me that the Matrix is a better movie than Citizen Kane, The Maltese Falcon, and Lawrence of Arabia, then I don't know, I might just shoot them or something.Ok, that went nowhere, whatever. End rant.

But that is exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of movies, lets talk art. I think Picasso is trash compared to Monet, but the dude that just paid $110 million for that Picasso thinks I'm crazy. It's completely subjective as to WHY you like a movie. You say 'artform' and then generalize the word artform to mean ONLY what you decide it means... but for me the word artform means amazing acting and a wonderful story which in turn entertains me, just as watching a 'technically sound' film "entertains" you.... I assume you understand what I'm getting at.ps... My top 10 list includes 7 movies made before 1990 and 3 movies made before 1970.

[bigkg]

brvheart, on Friday, October 6th, 2006, 12:37 AM, said:

But that is exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of movies, lets talk art. I think Picasso is trash compared to Monet, but the dude that just paid $110 million for that Picasso thinks I'm crazy. It's completely subjective as to WHY you like a movie. You say 'artform' and then generalize the word artform to mean ONLY what you decide it means... but for me the word artform means amazing acting and a wonderful story which in turn entertains me, just as watching a 'technically sound' film "entertains" you.... I assume you understand what I'm getting at.

I know it's completely subjective as to why you like a movie. However, in my opinion just because more people like a movie, doesn't necessarily mean it is a better movie. I just hate that logic. I mean Titanic is the highest grossing film ever (or it was I really don't know but it's up there), and I hate that movie. I thought that movie was a piece of crap, it lacked almost everything I look for in a good movie. There are plenty of other movies that didn't gross nearly as high, but are much better movies in my opinion. Also this logic doesn't really give a chance to smaller independent movies and foreign films because most people won't go see these types of movies, so therefore they won't be as popular. Also, believe me when I say I am also entertained by good acting and wonderful stories, not alone by the technicality of the movie.

[brvheart]

bigkg, on Friday, October 6th, 2006, 12:46 AM, said:

I know it's completely subjective as to why you like a movie. However, in my opinion just because more people like a movie, doesn't necessarily mean it is a better movie. I just hate that logic. I mean Titanic is the highest grossing film ever (or it was I really don't know but it's up there), and I hate that movie. I thought that movie was a piece of crap, it lacked almost everything I look for in a good movie. There are plenty of other movies that didn't gross nearly as high, but are much better movies in my opinion. Also this logic doesn't really give a chance to smaller independent movies and foreign films because most people won't go see these types of movies, so therefore they won't be as popular. Also, believe me when I say I am also entertained by good acting and wonderful stories, not alone by the technicality of the movie.

better movie does not = box office dollars.we agree... and I don't think many people today would say that Titantic is the best movie ever made either... in fact, I would put the number at less than 1%.Shawshank for instance did terrible at the box office, I doubt they even made their money back(I'll check with IMDBPRO later). It wasn't until the Academy Awards that many people across the country even heard of it. But the fact is, many people on this board saw that movie and loved it. I think it's a wonderful movie and deserves all the accolades people are giving it.

[BigDMcGee]

brvheart, on Thursday, October 5th, 2006, 9:00 PM, said:

You're still dead to me.

I like Matt Foley, motivational speaker. Does that redeam me somehow?

[JMoney2681]

I have to make a quick point here fellas..I think there are two different types of arguments..."Top 10 FAVORITE movies of all time"and"Top 10 GREATEST movies of all time"My favorite 10 are as follows..off the top of my head in no particular order1-The Matrix2-Pulp Fiction3-Reservoir Dogs4-Fight Club5-Snatch6-Lock, Stock, and 2 Smoking Barells7-The Godfather8-Suicide Kings9-Boiler Room10-Office Space/The DepartedAnd no, I don't like them because they're "popular." I like them because they are good. They are my FAVORITES...Get the difference? Just because you don't like "Gone with the wind" doesn't mean it isn't one of the greatest top 10's. It just isn't in my fav list.