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Posted 17 October 2017 - 12:36 PM

View Postbrvheart, on 17 October 2017 - 12:34 PM, said:

Suicide isn't murder for one.

I can't think of a better way to describe it, actually.

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 12:56 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on 12 October 2017 - 07:30 PM, said:



Multiply your population by 10 and your state/provident government agencies by 5, then have lobbyist, insurance companies and healthcare conglomerates write up a new plan and hand it to corrupt politicians and tell me we have a shot at something remotely able to work.


I'm not saying that it's even feasible in the USA, but this new argument that "actually, universal healthcare isn't even that good for the user, I mean, just look at Canada" is ridiculous, and is hugely counterproductive to there being any chance of it happening in the USA.

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:12 PM

View Postbrvheart, on 17 October 2017 - 12:34 PM, said:

Suicide isn't murder for one.

increased suicides from guns is one of the major dangers from having guns in the home.
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Posted 17 October 2017 - 06:49 PM

View Postloogie, on 17 October 2017 - 12:36 PM, said:

I can't think of a better way to describe it, actually.

"the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:39 PM

View Postbrvheart, on 17 October 2017 - 06:49 PM, said:

"the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."

Suicide is murder for one.

Suicide.

Murder.

For one.

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Posted Yesterday, 12:41 AM

View Postbrvheart, on 17 October 2017 - 06:49 PM, said:

"the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."

how do we classify toddlers shooting people since they aren't old enough to be legally responsible.

American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
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Posted Today, 04:51 AM

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Posted Today, 06:34 AM

the evolution of a pro-gun argument:

"guns don't kill people, people kill people!"

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!"

"That's ridiculous, this isn't the ONLY country where this regularly happens, stupid Onion."

"well if you take away this huge subset of gun deaths in America, we are kind of average if you squint at the numbers"

"By this definition right here, suicides aren't TECHNICALLY murder"

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Posted Today, 07:46 AM

I don't know why BG even mentioned taking out the suicides or gang shootings. Even with that stuff, we aren't even close to #1 like the liberal msm says we are.

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted Today, 12:23 PM

View Postbrvheart, on 19 October 2017 - 07:46 AM, said:

I don't know why BG even mentioned taking out the suicides or gang shootings. Even with that stuff, we aren't even close to #1 like the liberal msm says we are.

the US is number 1 if compared to the countries that aren't failed states and are rich. Do you really want to be compared to Yemen or countries in Africa that have armed conflict in them ?
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Posted Today, 01:20 PM

I wouldn't want to be racist against any people group. Violence is violence.

I also would have to jump through way too many logical hoops to get the US to #1. I would have to throw out most of South and Central America, which could be seen as racism. I would also have to throw out most of Africa, even South Africa, and that seems racist AND Westernized. So I'll just go with the actual numbers and see that the US is just the middle of the road (#94) for intentional homicides and know that anything else is just pushing a narrative that isn't based on reality.



https://en.wikipedia...l_homicide_rate


To BG's point though, if we legalized drugs, I would guess those numbers would plummet and be on par with Norway, France, and Canada. It would likely cause the homicide rates to fall all over South and Central America as well.

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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Posted Today, 01:29 PM

View Postbrvheart, on 19 October 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

I wouldn't want to be racist against any people group. Violence is violence.

I also would have to jump through way too many logical hoops to get the US to #1. I would have to throw out most of South and Central America, which could be seen as racism. I would also have to throw out most of Africa, even South Africa, and that seems racist AND Westernized. So I'll just go with the actual numbers and see that the US is just the middle of the road (#94) for intentional homicides and know that anything else is just pushing a narrative that isn't based on reality.



https://en.wikipedia...l_homicide_rate


To BG's point though, if we legalized drugs, I would guess those numbers would plummet and be on par with Norway, France, and Canada. It would likely cause the homicide rates to fall all over South and Central America as well.

and the US is 11th in the World in firearms related deaths.

https://en.wikipedia...ated_death_rate

Just the fact that the guns exist and are in people's homes is the issue, it isn't just about murder. It's about suicides, and accidents and those homicial toddlers.

https://www.vox.com/...ics-maps-charts

5) States with more guns have more gun deaths

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1) America has six times as many firearm homicides as Canada, and nearly 16 times as many as Germany

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Posted Today, 01:33 PM

Considering that gun deaths aren't even close to the top 10 in causes of death in the US, I would say that it's not actually a big problem. Mental Health is a much bigger problem than guns.


Also, Vox and Mother Jones diagrams that push a narrative by only choosing items that will poison the well won't work on anyone but the most extreme liberal readers.

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napa I was jesus christing suited, you guys just slipped in before me.

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