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O.k. Here I am again. I feel like I am getting better at these 180s. I now can get into the last 50, but either make a bad play, or just get so blinded down I have to shove with anything and can't catch. Here is one that I am mixed on. No real reads at table yet. Just got moved here, and was running pretty good. feral_cow_icon.gifYour converted hand, now with more cowbell.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.30) t1000/t2000 ante t200 - 7 playersUTG: t20,530 UTG+1: t42,551 HJ: t39,294 CO: t25,440 (Hero)Button: t29,553 SB: t16,327 BB: t27,963 Preflop: (t4,400) Hero is CO with :ts:D (7 players)2 folds, HJ raises to t5000, Hero calls t5000, 3 foldsDecided to flat this, because this is at the bottom of range for me, and it was suited (I know, just because it is suited does not make it right). Bad play #1??Flop: (t14,400) :D:qh:5c (2 players)HJ bets t8000, Hero raises to t20240 and is all-in, HJ calls t12240Basically turning my hand into a flip situation. I am at the 10 BB effective stage, so I feel like this was probably standard?? Bad mentality???Turn: (t54,880) :D (2 players)River: (t54,880) :3h (2 players)HJ showed :jh:club:, and won (54880) with a full house, Deuces full of AcesHero showed :4h:D, and lost with three of a kind, DeucesHJ won t54880

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jam pre. you have 12 BB. idk what you are trying to do playing a drawing hand postflop with zero fold equity. jam pre, hope you dont run into the dude with Aces.

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you probably could have been a little more conservative. With no read and just moving and considering your chips stack you could fold here to to this bet. You probably don't put the guy on Aces and you do have an okay draw, but you could have gotten away from this hand. Tib

O.k. Here I am again. I feel like I am getting better at these 180s. I now can get into the last 50, but either make a bad play, or just get so blinded down I have to shove with anything and can't catch. Here is one that I am mixed on. No real reads at table yet. Just got moved here, and was running pretty good. feral_cow_icon.gifYour converted hand, now with more cowbell.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.30) t1000/t2000 ante t200 - 7 playersUTG: t20,530 UTG+1: t42,551 HJ: t39,294 CO: t25,440 (Hero)Button: t29,553 SB: t16,327 BB: t27,963 Preflop: (t4,400) Hero is CO with :ts:D (7 players)2 folds, HJ raises to t5000, Hero calls t5000, 3 foldsDecided to flat this, because this is at the bottom of range for me, and it was suited (I know, just because it is suited does not make it right). Bad play #1??Flop: (t14,400) :D:qh:5c (2 players)HJ bets t8000, Hero raises to t20240 and is all-in, HJ calls t12240Basically turning my hand into a flip situation. I am at the 10 BB effective stage, so I feel like this was probably standard?? Bad mentality???Turn: (t54,880) :D (2 players)River: (t54,880) :3h (2 players)HJ showed :jh:club:, and won (54880) with a full house, Deuces full of AcesHero showed :4h:D, and lost with three of a kind, DeucesHJ won t54880
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O.k. Here I am again. I feel like I am getting better at these 180s. I now can get into the last 50, but either make a bad play, or just get so blinded down I have to shove with anything and can't catch. Here is one that I am mixed on. No real reads at table yet. Just got moved here, and was running pretty good. feral_cow_icon.gifYour converted hand, now with more cowbell.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.30) t1000/t2000 ante t200 - 7 playersUTG: t20,530 UTG+1: t42,551 HJ: t39,294 CO: t25,440 (Hero)Button: t29,553 SB: t16,327 BB: t27,963 Preflop: (t4,400) Hero is CO with :ts:D (7 players)2 folds, HJ raises to t5000, Hero calls t5000, 3 foldsDecided to flat this, because this is at the bottom of range for me, and it was suited (I know, just because it is suited does not make it right). Bad play #1??Flop: (t14,400) :D:qh:5c (2 players)HJ bets t8000, Hero raises to t20240 and is all-in, HJ calls t12240Basically turning my hand into a flip situation. I am at the 10 BB effective stage, so I feel like this was probably standard?? Bad mentality???Turn: (t54,880) :D (2 players)River: (t54,880) :3h (2 players)HJ showed :jh:club:, and won (54880) with a full house, Deuces full of AcesHero showed :4h:D, and lost with three of a kind, DeucesHJ won t54880
Super standard reshove pre....anytime you are less than 20 BB's or an M of around 10 you shouldnt be limping or cold calling pre, you should be raising/jamming/reshoving
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Super standard reshove pre....anytime you are less than 20 BB's or an M of around 10 you shouldnt be limping or cold calling pre, you should be raising/jamming/reshoving
its not standard to shove/reshove/jam whatever you want to call it... shoving in that spot is reckless and real beginnerish....folding is the best play
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its not standard to shove/reshove/jam whatever you want to call it... shoving in that spot is reckless and real beginnerish....folding is the best play
Youre really gonna fold ATs in a turbo against villains massive range here??? villain is raising 20% of his range here with his stack minimum
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Youre really gonna fold ATs in a turbo against villains massive range here??? villain is raising 20% of his range here with his stack minimum
didnt think it was a turbo...being a turbo makes it closer but it still doesnt justify donk shoving....u have nothing really invested...
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didnt think it was a turbo...being a turbo makes it closer but it still doesnt justify donk shoving....u have nothing really invested...
You dont win these things by folding, you win them by restealing and stealing ( and of course running good ) in the proper situations...this is one of them....you have quite a bit of fold equity, and villain is calling with like a 10ish % range, maybe a 1% or 2% higher making your equity in a pot where villain calls your allin bet somewhere around 50%, plenty good for a resteal here, and if we get called there are quite a few hands were racing against and a few we have crushed. You lose these tournies and/or bubble a lot of them by folding in these spots, which isnt correct.
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You dont win these things by folding, you win them by restealing and stealing ( and of course running good ) in the proper situations...this is one of them....you have quite a bit of fold equity, and villain is calling with like a 10ish % range, maybe a 1% or 2% higher making your equity in a pot where villain calls your allin bet somewhere around 50%, plenty good for a resteal here, and if we get called there are quite a few hands were racing against and a few we have crushed. You lose these tournies and/or bubble a lot of them by folding in these spots, which isnt correct.
and plenty of hands that have us crushed....there is more than 1 palyer left in the hand..i think when someone calls we are behind a good percentage of the time...use whatever gorilla math you want but in the end you are risking way too much with a hand that most of the time at best is gonna be a race.....u cant convince me someone is gonna come in with a mid pair or Ax....i dont play these things but i find it hard to belive we get called by hands that we have crushed...i just dont buy it
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This is a $3.30 bro, people are gonna call with worse hands and fold in silly spots. The person who opens here should never fold to our shove with atc, we're gonna be ahead of his opening range. The only argument for folding is for ICM reasons if this is like the final two tables (which judging by stacks it may be) but really there's already a ton of dead money in the pot and we have an ace and a ten of the same suit. I'm not sure if I'm always shoving here villain dependent, but it's ridiculous to say that you're never shoving here.

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This is a $3.30 bro, people are gonna call with worse hands and fold in silly spots. The person who opens here should never fold to our shove with atc, we're gonna be ahead of his opening range. The only argument for folding is for ICM reasons if this is like the final two tables (which judging by stacks it may be) but really there's already a ton of dead money in the pot and we have an ace and a ten of the same suit. I'm not sure if I'm always shoving here villain dependent, but it's ridiculous to say that you're never shoving here.
you say same suit like its a big difference...do you need the same suit cause you feel you might need to hit a flush to win? ....im not shoving 99% of the time... you guys are playing like theres only him left in the hand...anyone who comes in behind you has you crushed
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and plenty of hands that have us crushed....there is more than 1 palyer left in the hand..i think when someone calls we are behind a good percentage of the time...use whatever gorilla math you want but in the end you are risking way too much with a hand that most of the time at best is gonna be a race.....u cant convince me someone is gonna come in with a mid pair or Ax....i dont play these things but i find it hard to belive we get called by hands that we have crushed...i just dont buy it
LOL, you dont play these things? Than why are you posting advice when you have no clue how to play them? Yes, there are loads of villains who will come in with any ace and any pair.....you shouldnt be worried about the players behind us who have yet to act, if it got folded to us how would you play this hand?
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This is a shove like 80%+ of the time.This is prolly a fold pre vs a very tight or good reg since he's not gonna raise into those stack sizes to act with marginal hands and instead just shove. His opening range often ends up being very strong - which is fine since 95% of people will never notice - even other regs. If they're good their shoving range will be wide enough to snap off a jam here. I'm not really sure how many there are in the $3Rs though -since you're readless assume everyone is an idiot and get it in. You may have to fold in certain bubble/FT spots but there probably aren't many.One yu get to this flop folding is horrendous. What sort of flop were you looking for if not this.

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you say same suit like its a big difference...do you need the same suit cause you feel you might need to hit a flush to win? ....im not shoving 99% of the time... you guys are playing like theres only him left in the hand...anyone who comes in behind you has you crushed
I was being a little facetious when I said same suit, but it does give us an extra 2% edge or so, and it all counts. We're in the CO so there's 4 people left in the hand and really they're only going to get it in with a very narrow range of hands and we have an ace blocker (and the opener generally has an ace or king or queen blocker too) so although obviously it sucks when they wake up, it's only going to happen a very very low portion of the time and even then we're going to have around 25-33% equity against their range with a ton of dead money in the pot.
This is a shove like 80%+ of the time.This is prolly a fold pre vs a very tight or good reg since he's not gonna raise into those stack sizes to act with marginal hands and instead just shove. His opening range often ends up being very strong - which is fine since 95% of people will never notice - even other regs. If they're good their shoving range will be wide enough to snap off a jam here. I'm not really sure how many there are in the $3Rs though -since you're readless assume everyone is an idiot and get it in. You may have to fold in certain bubble/FT spots but there probably aren't many.One yu get to this flop folding is horrendous. What sort of flop were you looking for if not this.
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This is a resteal situation on the semi bluff IF you decide to make that play. IF we don't know this guy has Aces then we might make the play, just like you didn't know. KNOWING this guy has aces makes you only be able to look at the math at this point knowing the guy wasn't going anywhere. At these stakes, no one is folding Aces in this situation. Even on a board that shows 10, 10, X no one is folding Aces.

You dont win these things by folding, you win them by restealing and stealing ( and of course running good ) in the proper situations...this is one of them....you have quite a bit of fold equity, and villain is calling with like a 10ish % range, maybe a 1% or 2% higher making your equity in a pot where villain calls your allin bet somewhere around 50%, plenty good for a resteal here, and if we get called there are quite a few hands were racing against and a few we have crushed. You lose these tournies and/or bubble a lot of them by folding in these spots, which isnt correct.
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as a $2-4 180 man player, easy shove over against the average types of villains at this level. as was said, a good reg or higher buyin, i just fold this.

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as a $2-4 180 man player, easy shove over against the average types of villains at this level. as was said, a good reg or higher buyin, i just fold this.
i play more live... i guess i dont realize how bad players are in these 180s
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i play more live... i guess i dont realize how bad players are in these 180s
I don't think there's much of a difference between live players and micro stakes tourney players.edit: my god we're in a turbo 7 handed facing a hijack raise with a star and a 10 of the same color, this is such an easy jam.
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I don't think there's much of a difference between live players and micro stakes tourney players.edit: my god we're in a turbo 7 handed facing a hijack raise with a star and a 10 of the same color, this is such an easy jam.
are you kidding me? you really think the average micro player is better than the average live player who plays alot higher buyin tournaments....are u gonna also tell me that 10nl/25nl/50nl playes are on average better than 2/5 and 5/10 nl live players? and 1/2online limit players are on average better than 10/20 live players?
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are you kidding me? you really think the average micro player is better than the average live player who plays alot higher buyin tournaments....are u gonna also tell me that 10nl/25nl/50nl playes are on average better than 2/5 and 5/10 nl live players? and 1/2online limit players are on average better than 10/20 live players?
Lol, yes, I'd say at least 80 percent of the live players that play in 1/2-5/10 games live are terrible or not very good.
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Lol, yes, I'd say at least 80 percent of the live players that play in 1/2-5/10 games live are terrible or not very good.
but worse than micro players? 80 percent of all poker players are horrible...low mid or high limit...but to think micro players on average are on the same level as higher limit players is so wrong cause other wise they would be playing higher limits.. i read so many stories on here and other forums about people trying to "move up" from25nl to 50nl or whatever and they move back down cause they cant beat it... 2/5 and 5/10 play about the same live or online so are u trying to tell me that 25nl players could win at 2/5 or 5/10.....micro players are playing micro limits cause they arent good enough to play higher....are you gonna tell me that a $3 buy in tournament will have as good as players as 500 buy in live tourney which is prolly like playing 100 online tourney
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pretty standard shove here with the only other play being a fold. +1 to the point online micro players are better than most live players playing small/mid stakes. i play both and micro online players are better than you think brah.

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I'm here to tell you right now that in recent days the micro limits are filled with sharks that beat up on the fish and some complete trash players. I've had a lot more variance playing online in micro stakes than I have playing 1/2 and 2/5 live. Considering those are the stakes I currently play live. Most of my game from when I started back in 2002 has been based on playing the players and their tendancies paired with a very solid and strict hand selection. I used to CRUSH the 1/2 and 2/4 games and played in $20 up to the Sunday $200+'s online. Today those same stakes play extremely different and the play has gotten more complex. I still crush the live play at the same stakes, but have opened up a new small ball style in both. I'm grinding micro stakes to limit my losses while I really learn the new way of the game. I have a harder time now at the micro levels with my new style of play than I do live at the same stakes I used to play. In fact, i recently cashed in a $1100 tournament in 12th playing live and it offered about as much resistance as the $33 guys online. For what it is worth, I believe more educated players are playing lower stakes now and we still run into donkeys in my casinos with no real feel for the game except to gamble. Nothing beats the old back room Texas card halls I used to play in.

but worse than micro players? 80 percent of all poker players are horrible...low mid or high limit...but to think micro players on average are on the same level as higher limit players is so wrong cause other wise they would be playing higher limits.. i read so many stories on here and other forums about people trying to "move up" from25nl to 50nl or whatever and they move back down cause they cant beat it... 2/5 and 5/10 play about the same live or online so are u trying to tell me that 25nl players could win at 2/5 or 5/10.....micro players are playing micro limits cause they arent good enough to play higher....are you gonna tell me that a $3 buy in tournament will have as good as players as 500 buy in live tourney which is prolly like playing 100 online tourney
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but worse than micro players? 80 percent of all poker players are horrible...low mid or high limit...but to think micro players on average are on the same level as higher limit players is so wrong cause other wise they would be playing higher limits.. i read so many stories on here and other forums about people trying to "move up" from25nl to 50nl or whatever and they move back down cause they cant beat it... 2/5 and 5/10 play about the same live or online so are u trying to tell me that 25nl players could win at 2/5 or 5/10.....micro players are playing micro limits cause they arent good enough to play higher....are you gonna tell me that a $3 buy in tournament will have as good as players as 500 buy in live tourney which is prolly like playing 100 online tourney
There are plenty of small stake grinders online that go to casinos and play 1/2-2/5, and maybe even take a few shots at 5/10 when the game is good enough. 1/2-5/10 online is much much much much more difficult to beat than a live game at those same levels. Some people don't have the proper roll to be playing those levels online, but are comfortable enough to take shots at a casino because the play is much worse. You just aren't going to go to a local casino and have 7 very good regulars at a table and trying to pray on 2 fish, it almost every case it's the exact opposite. Now you're going to tell me that a 3/6NL table online there are going to be 7 bad players and 2 regs? Get real. Even if they do have the roll they prefer the safer route and grind lower limits. The swings are less, you take less hits to your bankroll if you go on a downswing, and the good player-fish ratio is much better. Tournaments are a different story. No, I don't think a $3 online tournaments compares to a $500 live tournament. But I think a $26 or $50 f/o is pretty comparable to a $550 venetian.
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