Live Poker At The Redrock Ft Last Night

[grannysmith 0]

not sure if this has been discussed anywhere, but for anyone who watched that live poker show last night airing at 6est. what in the world did phil gordan write on that note to roland?any ideas? I wold guess it was discussion of a deal? it was when it was 3 handed, Phil set the note on rolands chair as he was coming off a break, and roland looked at the note and looked over to phil and nodded, no discussion about the note, as far as i know, was on the telecast at all.this leads me to beleive it was a deal but i dunno

[mkaplan108 0]

I originally thought the same thing but I really doubt Phil Gordon needs the money to be the one asking for a deal...I doubt will ever know exactly what it said.

[king_tanner 84]

I originally thought the same thing but I really doubt Phil Gordon needs the money to be the one asking for a deal...I doubt will ever know exactly what it said.

Unless he got hit by a bus!You never know I think I saw Howard Lederer make a deal once at the final table on FT, and he doesn't need the money to be asking for a deal either.

[Mercury69 3]

It was his phone number and they were going to go get down with some hot man-love.

[dbrent2 0]

I originally thought the same thing but I really doubt Phil Gordon needs the money to be the one asking for a deal...I doubt will ever know exactly what it said.

Maybe he was just making the offer out of good sportsmanship?

[HoosierAlum 0]

Anyone know when they are replaying this? From what I heard Toto played super-weak tight, trying to squeak into the $.

[king_tanner 84]

Anyone know when they are replaying this? From what I heard Toto played super-weak tight, trying to squeak into the $.

Yea Toto seemed like he was almost going to cry during his exit interview. It was a big jump in pay, he got $25,000 compared to the $250K he would have got for 2nd. I'd think they would replay it a few times this weekend since they already replayed it twice last night.

[grannysmith 0]

yeah imo Tota played really weak, he was just mucking hands like a9 and jt pretty much all the time on the button 3 handed...it was obv. what he was playing foroh and how dumb was it at the end when the just upped the blinds to 25k/50k lol

[ForRealDD 0]

Anyone know when they are replaying this? From what I heard Toto played super-weak tight, trying to squeak into the $.

Toto=BustotoThe only explanation for the way he played. It was truly awful. I've seen rocks play more hands than he did last night. I'm not sure about the rebroadcast, I watched it when I was going to bed last night around midnight.

[167-169 0]

I originally thought the same thing but I really doubt Phil Gordon needs the money to be the one asking for a deal...I doubt will ever know exactly what it said.

No doubt Gordon was wealthy and a millionaire before the poker boom but I just don't think he is as rich as you may think.As a poker player he does promote himself well and takes on a ton of projects. Very few have made more money than him off the felt. (Pro poker players) I haven't checked amazon nor researched sales figure but his books and DVD do sell well. I'd be curious to know how many HOH copies have been sold since that is the #1 book on poker strategy.Given his draft number in the PPL, pro's don't really respect his game that much it seems.

[djrobo 0]

Toto was playing VERY weak-tight, especially once they were 3-handed. There is plenty to respect about Phil's game. His PPL draft number is indicative that he is a tournament specialist, not traditionally a cash game player.As for what the note was about.. I am quite interested to know as well. If it had something to do with the game at hand, it seems to me that it would be inappropriate to speak only to Roland when Toto was still in the game. Couldn't that be construed as possible collusion at that point?

[ForRealDD 0]

I guess dinner plans or a phone number is out of the question ? Does it have to be something so jucipy gossipy ?

[djrobo 0]

A dinner invitation would be my guess. Later on the announcers said that they were going to have dinner together afterwards, so it would make sense.

[evilturtle 0]

Was this aired at all in Canada? Or is there a video on the web somewhere?

[bombsaway 0]

Rant

Erm... ever heard of Full Tilt?

[HowMuchIsIt 0]

Toto mucking the pocket threes that he could have put a severe dent in roland's stack or possibly eliminated him was a killer when he saw that 3 flop...I have no idea how you muck that there....played very unusual and it was more than obvious he needed the money. And who won by the way because the broadcast cut off for me heads up when roland had the kk

[jooka 0]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...rue#Post8162772

Toto mucking the pocket threes that he could have put a severe dent in roland's stack or possibly eliminated him was a killer when he saw that 3 flop...I have no idea how you muck that there....played very unusual and it was more than obvious he needed the money. And who won by the way because the broadcast cut off for me heads up when roland had the kk

phil gordon won.

[offset 0]

Toto played correctly given the payout structure. In his position it is correct to play very tight against the gigantic chip leader and try to slide into the money since first prize is only about 2 times second prize. Ask any successful Sitngo player and he will tell you that Toto played correctly.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I usually root against Toto, but after watching him get slapped around by the cards on a PPT final table (admittedly a while ago), I was cheering for him. Unfortunately, he was playing pretty weak-tight.

[grannysmith 0]

Toto played correctly given the payout structure. In his position it is correct to play very tight against the gigantic chip leader and try to slide into the money since first prize is only about 2 times second prize. Ask any successful Sitngo player and he will tell you that Toto played correctly.

I guess I would agree to some degree, but when he was shortstacked, 3 handed and was mucking on the button with ace high i mean i dont see how that is good strat.espicially when toto has know that phil and roland aren't going to get into any crazy pots without having have decent hands, which more than likley won't happen.on a side note, Phil really impressed me, I think that him and roland obv. played the best

[Corkey 0]

Toto mucking the pocket threes that he could have put a severe dent in roland's stack or possibly eliminated him was a killer when he saw that 3 flop...I have no idea how you muck that there....played very unusual and it was more than obvious he needed the money. And who won by the way because the broadcast cut off for me heads up when roland had the kk

It cut off for me too.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...rue#Post8162772phil gordon won.

What was the winning hand?

[unabletouch 0]

I believe Gordon had K7 (don't recall if it was suited) vs DeWolfe 96club?...Don't remember if it was suited or not. The flop was crazy, DeWolfe had like an open ended straight draw on the flop and then a flush draw on the turn with it, but missed both. There was probably another 10 minutes of play after the KK hand I would guess. I have never seen Toto play like that ever...even though I have probably only seen him in maybe 6 tournaments on TV. He is almost always loose pre-flop with good reads and play after the flop, but during that tourney as all the other people have said it was obvious he was playing for the money. He was playing way too tight in some situations though, considering the blinds and the fact that Gordon was raising on the button constantly...he even mucked A9 and A7 a few times on the button 3 handed...and then raised with A5? It was confusing.

[freak2304 0]

Toto played correctly given the payout structure. In his position it is correct to play very tight against the gigantic chip leader and try to slide into the money since first prize is only about 2 times second prize. Ask any successful Sitngo player and he will tell you that Toto played correctly.

I disagree, especially with the chip stacks. Barring Gordon and De Wolfe both getting huge starting hands, I think they had a unspoken agreement to wait for Toto to bust before the started getting to business. Example: All the small bets at pots followed by a fold by the other guy when it was just them 2 in the pot. The blinds were still way too small to expect Gordon and De Wolfe to go to war 'on the bubble' with their stacks.Edit: and it's one thing to play tight aggressive there, but quite another to play tight weak. Which is what he was doing.

[IveyFearsMe 0]

i thought it was very interesting to see these top pro's playing in a similar structure that i play in several times a week at the various home games i participate in. it was played just like it is played in my game.. very tight once it gets to one out of the money.. usually one big stack, and one playing very tight just trying to get into the money.. and once it gets heads-up, it is very loose, mainly because everyone is in the money and the blinds are extremely high..