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I guess I just wanted to throw out a blanket apology to anyone recently who I have been particularly hard on, there is no excuse for it. I am at a weird place right now- I would like to believe that things could get better but am just not so sure. It's weird, my life is for the most part good, and I will do everything in my power to make it stay that way, but, that being said... you know how it is. Look around, what little light I see follows extended pain. On top of that, and I don't like to talk about it but we all go through it, I am going through what some would call a crisis of faith.. I believe in God, but I just don't get it recently, I don't understand why some things I see happen, happen. Some infant yesterday was attacked in her bassinet by the family chow mix and died of head injuries.. mom put the kid in the bassinet, it happened in a matter of minutes. Why? What good does that do? Now, there will be some who say things like "you can't question God" but the truth is you can, and you should, it's all in how you do it. He has always answered, I just don't have the answers right now, and it's frustrating for me. Now, mind you, I would say most of the things I have said I would still back, I would just say them a bit differently, with a more patient tone is all. Except for Banya, that guy, no soup for him.

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Religion took a back seat for me when I was growing up, because everytime I questioned why something happened, the good things were always god's will and the bad things were always the work of the devil. That seems like bullshit.I hope you find your answers.

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Not a problem for me LMD if I was among those you thought you were hard on :club:. You are who you are and I've pretty much accepted that so when you get snarly, I let it roll off. Only thing I can say about why bad things happen to good people is that I've lived long enough to see some of the whys of the stuff that happened way back when. At the time, I was pissed as hell at God and it took a LOT of time for some of it to work out. And some of it still hasn't. I guess that IS where faith comes in because some stuff you just won't know until you see Him face to face. As for the little one, it's my belief that God's already dried his/her tears and she/he's forgotten it in the joy of being with Him. Not a great comfort to those left behind but again sometimes you just won't know the why for years and sometimes you just won't know. I could tell a bit of my life history with that regard but it would have to be in the religion section I think and I'm not sure I'm quite ready for that. But regardless, for whatever - you're forgiven. :DP.S. Remember that nothing is ever permanent except Him.

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I guess I just wanted to throw out a blanket apology to anyone recently who I have been particularly hard on, there is no excuse for it. I am at a weird place right now- I would like to believe that things could get better but am just not so sure. It's weird, my life is for the most part good, and I will do everything in my power to make it stay that way, but, that being said... you know how it is. Look around, what little light I see follows extended pain. On top of that, and I don't like to talk about it but we all go through it, I am going through what some would call a crisis of faith.. I believe in God, but I just don't get it recently, I don't understand why some things I see happen, happen. Some infant yesterday was attacked in her bassinet by the family chow mix and died of head injuries.. mom put the kid in the bassinet, it happened in a matter of minutes. Why? What good does that do? Now, there will be some who say things like "you can't question God" but the truth is you can, and you should, it's all in how you do it. He has always answered, I just don't have the answers right now, and it's frustrating for me. Now, mind you, I would say most of the things I have said I would still back, I would just say them a bit differently, with a more patient tone is all. Except for Banya, that guy, no soup for him.
Don't worry man. I get how you feel. I react the same way (i.e. see about 3 minutes ago in my thread addressed to you :club:). I won't take the soup, but I hope you cheer up dude!P.S. You don't really need to apologize to me anyway. We were just having a spirited back and forth the way I see it.
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Look around, what little light I see follows extended pain.
if there is light only where you stand, then run around as many people as you can with your head down.
Some infant yesterday was attacked in her bassinet by the family chow mix and died of head injuries.
chows were bred to be at some times VERY aggressive dogs. they're the one breed of dog that i will absolutely never trust. they can be extremely loyal (possessive?). it's in their quantifiable genetics.
Now, there will be some who say things like "you can't question God" but the truth is you can, and you should, it's all in how you do it. He has always answered, I just don't have the answers right now, and it's frustrating for me.
i question how pretty the rose would be in not for its thorns. i believe i can understand your frustration though. i wish you the best of luck.
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Can I ask how on earth it took you this long to realise that the vast majority of the world lives in abject poverty? And that if you believe god is responsible for that then he has a whole lot of shit to answer for?

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Can I ask how on earth it took you this long to realise that the vast majority of the world lives in abject poverty? And that if you believe god is responsible for that then he has a whole lot of shit to answer for?
Sure- I think about it on a regular basis. I can just-generally- let it go with the blanket "there are some things I cannot understand" which I suspect will be the same thing for me now, I guess right now in my life, for whatever reason, I just want a little more. Some reason for the chaos we see, or, in absence of that the strength or whatever it was that I usually to have to just live and not let the worlds cares get me down. Here is the thing- I can never, in my mind, let myself get to the point where I am saying "You have have got a lot of shit to answer for." At that point, something is wrong with me. I can, however, humbly ask "why?" and look for answers. Faith is worthless having never been challenged. I guess what I am finding is that I look around more, observe more, and enter points in my life where it's not so much about me, thinks effect me more, and I just have to find a way to deal.
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Start listening to Tool, NIN, and start banging goth chicks, it should cheer you right up.
I did pencil in Poison, Def Lepard and Cheap Trick, also Fleetwood Mac while I am in Vegas for the FCP Golf shindig, and then Cruefest and Reo Speedwagon with Styx and 38. Special. Summer tour announcements FTW. My wifes out of town for a few days so Tuesday will be a me day in Tuscon, Tournament at Del Sol Casino at 10, Rockies game and then Metalhead that night. Just me, and whatever trouble I can into in... Tuscon. Should be fun.
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Sure- I think about it on a regular basis. I can just-generally- let it go with the blanket "there are some things I cannot understand" which I suspect will be the same thing for me now, I guess right now in my life, for whatever reason, I just want a little more. Some reason for the chaos we see, or, in absence of that the strength or whatever it was that I usually to have to just live and not let the worlds cares get me down. Here is the thing- I can never, in my mind, let myself get to the point where I am saying "You have have got a lot of shit to answer for." At that point, something is wrong with me. I can, however, humbly ask "why?" and look for answers. Faith is worthless having never been challenged. I guess what I am finding is that I look around more, observe more, and enter points in my life where it's not so much about me, thinks effect me more, and I just have to find a way to deal.
how could you ever accept "there are some things i can not understand" as an explanation for anything? for me that could just never be good enough.
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how could you ever accept "there are some things i can not understand" as an explanation for anything? for me that could just never be good enough.
So you understand everything? That's awesome.
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So you understand everything? That's awesome.
i was being sincere for once and not trying to bait you into some cheap personal attack. no, of course not. but i can't accept that an explanation for anything is beyond understanding. i guess ill just never know what its like to have "faith" in anything.
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Mom shouldn't have been feeding the dog via basinet, imo. Putting the baby in dogfood was just asking for trouble.Also, do you think you might be asking yourself the wrong questions about faith and God? Having unrealistic expectations?

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Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!

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i was being sincere for once and not trying to bait you into some cheap personal attack. no, of course not. but i can't accept that an explanation for anything is beyond understanding. i guess ill just never know what its like to have "faith" in anything.
Well, sometimes understanding is just accepting that which cannot be understood,now. Doesn't make it any easier, though. That's the thing, for me, faith does not come easy, never really has. Many times my faith is solely predicated upon belief that one day, I might understand. That takes faith, man. And, Mercury is such a sicko.
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The good thing about faith is that when you begin to struggle with it because you don't understand the actions you see God take, you can simply have faith in God through another religion. There are a plethora to chose from and just because you were raised a Christian doesn't mean you can't become Jewish, Muslim or Hindu. Look into a couple other religions and try and draw conclusions after having gathered more information about other religions. Again, just because your environment influenced a certain religion onto you doesn't mean it is the right one for you.

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The good thing about faith is that when you begin to struggle with it because you don't understand the actions you see God take, you can simply have faith in God through another religion. There are a plethora to chose from and just because you were raised a Christian doesn't mean you can't become Jewish, Muslim or Hindu. Look into a couple other religions and try and draw conclusions after having gathered more information about other religions. Again, just because your environment influenced a certain religion onto you doesn't mean it is the right one for you.
Been there, done that. Of all the magical potions out there Christianity is the way to go after all my research.
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Well, sometimes understanding is just accepting that which cannot be understood,now. Doesn't make it any easier, though. That's the thing, for me, faith does not come easy, never really has. Many times my faith is solely predicated upon belief that one day, I might understand. That takes faith, man. And, Mercury is such a sicko.
All the easy, innocent jokes have been spoken for. It's every comic for themselves now... ;-)
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Faith is worthless having never been challenged.
This is what makes this type of belief so dangerous. Evidence against your belief is ultimately taken as further reason to believe. There's no way out.
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Even though you have often rubbed me the wrong way, I am sorry you are not at a good place right now. I use to question my faith all of the time and struggled with it for many years. During that time it was hard for me to see any light but in hindsight, I am so glad I went through those questioning years. I am more spiritual now than I have ever been and I feel I have a strong perspective that works for me. My relationship with God is solid.That doesn't mean I don't make mistakes or get sad when sad things happen. I still read, I still ponder, I still explore all faiths and try to understand their perspective. I find religion interesting. However, I do not claim a religion. It took me a long time to realize that that being religious is not necessarily the same as being spiritual. I also came to the realization that God is beyond the words that are written on paper... as humans we try to humanize something that is way beyond our scope. Anyway, I hope you find what you are looking for. You may one day realize that this time period was actually more meaningful to you than you could ever grasp right now.

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Those of us whose spirituality do not depend on a personified "God" figure have a little easier time of it. We don't have to reconcile the fact that bad things happen with a belief that there is a benevolent sentient being controlling everything. We don't have to second guess His choices. We can just acknowledge that bad things happen ... and feel bad about them ... and express our values and spirituality by trying to make things better in whatever way we can ... or not.

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