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I've been thinking a bit about my BR and ROR. I've gotten kind of tired of playing at the stakes I've been at. Rather than grow my BR maximally, I've withdrawn some to buy things for my kids, etc. No regrets, but I oculd have moved up a couple stakes by now. Anyway, It turns out that I could drop about 40BB into my roll monthly at the stake level I'd like to be playing out of pocket with no real affect on my non-poker budget. IE, I have a monthly disposable income of 40BB that I could spend on poker. Given that, what kind of bankroll do I actually need to play at a particular level?My current thinking is that I add the 40 BB to my monthly winnings, and adjust my win-rate accordingly. Re-run the BR calculations and see what I get. So...assuming my STDev is about 20, and my win-rate is 2BB/100, and I play 2k hands monthly:40BB augments my win rate by 40BB/2k hands or 2BB/100.New win-rate = 4BB/100.BR required with 5%ROR: 150 BBSo now, if I have 150BB for my new level, and 40BB/2k hands of disposable income to drop in, I could move up safely. Does this seem right to you guys?Now this assumes that I drop the 40BB into my roll every month wether I need it or not. What I'd really like to know is what kind of BR would I need to have to play at a given level assuming I only ever used the 40BB/2k hands disposable income in case of emergencies, and the unsed monthly allotments get used for some other purpose. So, if I only ever use my 40/month to cover losses, and I consume it if not needed each month, does anyone know how this affects BR calculations?It seems to me that in this scenario, we are softening down-swings, and allowing upswings to occurr naturally. Really, it should act to reduce my std dev somewhat, and increase win-rate somewhat, although I dont have the first clue how to actually calculate it.

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If you're only playing 2k hands a month, that might be why it's difficult to make any progression.There's nothing wrong with depositing, i suppose. But you dont really need to deposit it into the account. "Bankoll" management has nothing to do with how much is actually in your online account; it's a measure of how much you're willing to lose. Arbitrarily transfering money from your bank to neteller (or party, or whatever) doesnt do much of anything.If you put in more hours (or played more tables), making enough money to move up in stakes wouldnt be an issue.For a 2BB/100 winner, it will take on average 15k hands to double your stakes. With a full time job and a family, that might seem like a lot. But if you're anything like me, you could just reallocate the time you spend browsing this forum and be there in no time. Ive cleared as many as 3k hands in one day before.

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If you're only playing 2k hands a month, that might be why it's difficult to make any progression.
I picked that number without much thought based on recent stats. Up until last fall I was playing ONLY limit and playing way more than 2k hands per month. More like 2k+ per week. Still not nearly as much as some around here. Since December I've been playing PLO8, Stud Hi, SNGs and MTTs in addition to 2k hands per month of limit. :club: Variety is the spice of life, but I htink I need to refocus and put in some serious sessions in LHE.Anyway, the reason I think it's a win-rate adjustment is that having a monthly allowance has some interesting properties. I would effectively have an infinite bankroll over an infinite amount of time, although the amount of money I am willing to lose today is only a small finite increment over my formal "money put aside" bankroll. In fact, if my true win-rate is -40BB/month, then I would "break even" in the long run. Besides, I've seen withdrawals accounted for in BR calculations as negative adjustments on your win-rate. This seems to have all the properties of a negative withdrawal, or positive win-rate adjustment.
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if you are replenishing your BR to at least 150BB each month, then you will have a much less thasn 5% ROR, assuming your initial calculation is correct.the ROR assumes you never add/subtract and allows for a lifetime of variance.Reseting the BR each month makes the ROR calculation moot.I think.Copernicus could back me on this...

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i'm playing more than i used to and i only have 7,500 for the month so far
I've been on kind of a poker binge... :DI'm over 3000 since Friday... up a whopping 72 BB (at .5/1 :club::D)
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good.I was afraid Party's no datamining had attracteed a new breed.The kind with more gamesmall sample so far, but apparently, it's me.I alone suck.
Heh, I've been getting my *** handed to me at 2/4 6 the past week. But, I'm pretty sure it's not just my lack of game. I couldn't even win at the Casino this weekend. I'm pretty sure the poker gods hate me.
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lol, actuary hates me toomarch0cl.jpg
Hey, is there a convenient way to do that? (Moving the image) I'd really like to upload my cool PT stats to the forum, but I don't know how to export them out of PT in a readable format.
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Hey, is there a convenient way to do that? (Moving the image) I'd really like to upload my cool PT stats to the forum, but I don't know how to export them out of PT in a readable format.
get the stats up in PT, then press "Print Screen" on your keyboard. Now open an image editor (MSPaint is fine), and press CTL+V (or just do paste the user-friendly way if you like). The image of poker tracker stats should appear, and you can crop it to get the relevant info. Then you'll have to post the image on some website (I use www.imageshack.us) and link to the image in your post.It sounds a little complicated, but it's really not.
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