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Hey guys.I just wanted to get your opinion on the pros and cons of each of these.Online FTP$.50 / $1 (100nl, not deep stack)$100 Max Buy inBankroll to play this level at 30x max buy in - $3000Casino$1 / $2 No Limit 9 Max$80 Max Buy inBankroll to play this level at 30x max buy in - $2400I do know you get more hands playing online but you can spot the fish a lot easier in person and most players who try out poker at the casino are more so players having a good night and drinking.What would the pros and cons be of both comparing the two as both cost roughly the same to play?

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Hey guys.I just wanted to get your opinion on the pros and cons of each of these.Online FTP$.50 / $1 (100nl, not deep stack)$100 Max Buy inBankroll to play this level at 30x max buy in - $3000Casino$1 / $2 No Limit 9 Max$80 Max Buy inBankroll to play this level at 30x max buy in - $2400I do know you get more hands playing online but you can spot the fish a lot easier in person and most players who try out poker at the casino are more so players having a good night and drinking.What would the pros and cons be of both comparing the two as both cost roughly the same to play?
With an $80 max buy in your bankroll would have to be much more then 30x. I wouldnt feel safe without at least 75x. You only start with 40xbb. Thats a structure that is conducive to major swings. As for comparing live to online, I would say online is much tougher to beat depending on where you play live. Are there a lot of casinos near you? Is it mostly tourists or regulars? These are very important questions. In AC the games are super soft. Every table is full of tourists who come to play the game they see on tv. Its easy pickings. I dont know how it is where you are but I would pick a live cash game any day of the week. Also, their structure is good. At 1/2 NL the max buyin is $300. Lots of room to play.
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100nl online can be very tough, lots of solid, competent, aggressive regulars.1/2 live is typically a donkfest, and it plays worse than 2nl online
I've played these stakes online and I can just tell you that most of the players online playing beyond 100NL are good! The regular 100NL player is way, way tougher than the regular 200NL live player and has played a huge load of hands, that I can tell you for sure. So when going up against a random group of tourists I'd say you're winnings will be far greater than if you go up against the typical poker nut on 100NL.I've no idea what your current experience from online is but really, 1/2 live can almost be compared to the 0,01/0,02 as trystero said.
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They say that $1-2 NL live is equivalent to about 5 cent 10 cent NL online. In order to win as much at $100 NL online you would have to be playing a few tables at once and the game will be tougher overall than the live game would be. Getting rakeback on the site you are playing on would certainly help towards making the equivalent to the live game, but still, based on a good win rate online, you still would need a couple tables at once to get the equivalent to the live game.Live however, you are expected to tip the dealers once in a while, as well as tipping the servers for drinks, but your win rate live is still likely to be that much higher overall even after these tips.

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At 30x the maximum buyin at $80 works out to be $2400, so that is a good basis to be playing live at crown with and then when your up to say 6k then you can play $2-3Crown Casino Melbourne$1-2 - Max $80 (40BB)$2-3 - Max $200 (66BB)$2-5 - Max $1000 (200BB)

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Hey guys.I just wanted to get your opinion on the pros and cons of each of these.Online FTP$.50 / $1 (100nl, not deep stack)$100 Max Buy inBankroll to play this level at 30x max buy in - $3000Casino$1 / $2 No Limit 9 Max$80 Max Buy inBankroll to play this level at 30x max buy in - $2400I do know you get more hands playing online but you can spot the fish a lot easier in person and most players who try out poker at the casino are more so players having a good night and drinking.What would the pros and cons be of both comparing the two as both cost roughly the same to play?
no cons to playing 100nl on FTP. except you'll encounter real good players.casino is pointless. 80 max is retarded.thats it.p.s. casino 1/2 plays very similar to online 25NL and 50NL. Even though you encounter a lot of donk newbs at a casino, you also run into plenty of good players.like yourself, and myself, who follow forums and know how to play the game well. but just cant afford to handle swings at 2-5NL or up
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At 30x the maximum buyin at $80 works out to be $2400, so that is a good basis to be playing live at crown with and then when your up to say 6k then you can play $2-3Crown Casino Melbourne$1-2 - Max $80 (40BB)$2-3 - Max $200 (66BB)$2-5 - Max $1000 (200BB)
i lived at crown for 3 weeks while qualifying for aussie millions.i played the 1-2 my first day there. Immediately swicted to the 2-3 game.then bounced between the 2-3 and 2-5 game.the 1-2 is total pointless nonesense. play the damn computer tables instead.
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1-2 live is a nut peddling kind of game imo: AKA: AQs+,QQ+ = nuts like almost every time

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100nl online can be very tough, lots of solid, competent, aggressive regulars.1/2 live is typically a donkfest, and it plays worse than 2nl online
If this is the case, and I believe it to be so, why would anyone play online unless they physically couldn't go to the cardroom?
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no cons to playing 100nl on FTP. except you'll encounter real good players.casino is pointless. 80 max is retarded.thats it.p.s. casino 1/2 plays very similar to online 25NL and 50NL. Even though you encounter a lot of donk newbs at a casino, you also run into plenty of good players.like yourself, and myself, who follow forums and know how to play the game well. but just cant afford to handle swings at 2-5NL or up
I am a big believer that the cream rises to the top of the poker world. I don't claim to be good. Never have and probably never will. I work at it, but I'm honest with myself, that being said, to say that one plays 1-2 NL because he can't afford the swings of 2-5 NL just doesn't seem right to me. If this guy is skilled, he should just win his way to 2-5 NL and play there. If he can't do that, he isn't good enough to play there. Pretty simple. Not bashing you. Just saying it......it is what it is, no?
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If this is the case, and I believe it to be so, why would anyone play online unless they physically couldn't go to the cardroom?
The simple answer is that its still profitable. Lets look at it this way:You make 7bb/hr live after rake and tips and such. Thats pretty good and very attainable at the 1/2 level. You play about 35 hands an hr for 20 hours a week. Thats 700 hands a week.You make 4bb/100. online. Still profitable but not gonna make you a lot of money. But heres the catch. You can play 8 tables online at once. You can see thousands more hands a week. Even if you cut your earning rate in half because of the amount of tables you play you still make much more a week. You also play about 65 hands an hour and play 8 tables at a time 20 hours a week. Thats 10,400 hands a week. Not only are you earning more, but you are playing tougher competition and gaining loads more experience. And you never have to leave your house. If you are still a profitable player online and you can multi table then you can make a lot more then playing live at the smaller stakes plus you play loads more hands and gain a ton of experience.
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I am a big believer that the cream rises to the top of the poker world. I don't claim to be good. Never have and probably never will. I work at it, but I'm honest with myself, that being said, to say that one plays 1-2 NL because he can't afford the swings of 2-5 NL just doesn't seem right to me. If this guy is skilled, he should just win his way to 2-5 NL and play there. If he can't do that, he isn't good enough to play there. Pretty simple. Not bashing you. Just saying it......it is what it is, no?
Generally you are correct. For most they dont play higher limits because they arent good enough. Yet there are many players who are quite capable of winning at a higher limit but cant for a number of reasons. Bad bankroll management is probably number 1 on that list. Having to use your bankroll for surprise expenses is another reason. Hitting a horrible downswing is another. Mostly though 2/5 is a different animal that 1/2. While still profitable, I have experienced that there is higher variance in the 2/5 games in AC. The players are more aggressive. Not necessarily better, just more aggressive. That brings bigger swings and requires a much bigger bankroll. You may get away with 25 to 30 buyins at 1/2 but I dont think that is the case at the 2/5 games Ive played in AC. It may be different elsewhere, but Im just speaking from what Ive seen. Therefore you may be capable of beating the 2/5 games but may feel underfunded with 30 buyins and have to wait a little longer to play it.
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If this is the case, and I believe it to be so, why would anyone play online unless they physically couldn't go to the cardroom?
First of all, proximity and convenience. Casinos aren't near everyone. For myself the closest casino is Foxwoods and that's like a 2 hour drive. If I want to play poker online I don't have to travel anywhere...Casinos are also a degen pit. I like live poker because it's social. So when I do play live it's usually with a group of friends or some home games in the area (on the other hand some home games I've been involved in have been very antisocial and hostile). I'm not a fan of the casino crowd. I don't want to hear another bad beat story and I don't want to hear some random dude's opinion on the Celtics.dead_money already brought up the fact that online you can play way, way way more hands, and that this will increase your profitability and winrate (along with bonuses and rakeback). There are several online grinders who have logged at least one million hands in less than one year. That's not possible live in a lifetime...
am a big believer that the cream rises to the top of the poker world. I don't claim to be good. Never have and probably never will. I work at it, but I'm honest with myself, that being said, to say that one plays 1-2 NL because he can't afford the swings of 2-5 NL just doesn't seem right to me. If this guy is skilled, he should just win his way to 2-5 NL and play there. If he can't do that, he isn't good enough to play there. Pretty simple.
Think of the bankroll you need to play each game responsibly. Suppose you want to play with 25 BIs at each level. Well at 200nl you need $5000 which is already outside of the scope of many players' bankrolls, regardless of their skill level. Now take 2/5 and it's $12,500. Many people just don't have that kind of money lying around for poker, and they don't want to work on building a BR for it.Being able to handle variance and swings is a separate skill from the tactical game of poker. Many players don't have it. They're comfortable losing $50 or $100 online in any given coinflip but the thought of dropping $500 or worse like $2800 (because live games can get ridiculously deep) can be sickening
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I am a big believer that the cream rises to the top of the poker world. I don't claim to be good. Never have and probably never will. I work at it, but I'm honest with myself, that being said, to say that one plays 1-2 NL because he can't afford the swings of 2-5 NL just doesn't seem right to me. If this guy is skilled, he should just win his way to 2-5 NL and play there. If he can't do that, he isn't good enough to play there. Pretty simple. Not bashing you. Just saying it......it is what it is, no?
well if your post made sense, i'd take offense. How many people are better than you at Golf? or a faster runner? or can solve a math problem quicker? same thing in poker. Just because they arent trying to "rise to the top" or play a higher limit, doesnt mean they aren't a good player, or for that matter, a player who can outplay you.There aren't very many players on this forum who can say they've played as many live hands (inside a casino) as i have. I'll tell you first hand, between canada, australia and the US (vegas) I ran into a lot of kids who were great players. Most of them were students who could manage to get to a casino once a week, and would use their winnings for personal reasons.(which meant they just stuck with 1-2NL or the occasional 2-5 game.) I played vs dealers often. some who are also big into online playing, with BR's and forum posts yet they cant mentally handle losing 1000 in a day.I also saw plenty of wealthy people playing low stakes, some of them could throw around 1k like nothing. Do you know how hard it is to read a guy who isnt affraid to lose 5buy-ins in a single hand.Infact, finding a total donk amateur who played like a 0.01-0.02 player was somewhat rare. Those people dont, and i repeat, DONT want to step foot into a casino, out of fear of embarrassment, or just fearing they will be outmatched.These people play online, for fun in the comfort of their own home, and practice.
Generally you are correct. For most they dont play higher limits because they arent good enough. Yet there are many players who are quite capable of winning at a higher limit but cant for a number of reasons. Bad bankroll management is probably number 1 on that list. Having to use your bankroll for surprise expenses is another reason. Hitting a horrible downswing is another. Mostly though 2/5 is a different animal that 1/2. While still profitable, I have experienced that there is higher variance in the 2/5 games in AC. The players are more aggressive. Not necessarily better, just more aggressive. That brings bigger swings and requires a much bigger bankroll. You may get away with 25 to 30 buyins at 1/2 but I dont think that is the case at the 2/5 games Ive played in AC. It may be different elsewhere, but Im just speaking from what Ive seen. Therefore you may be capable of beating the 2/5 games but may feel underfunded with 30 buyins and have to wait a little longer to play it.
The bold is very correct. 2-5NL is a swingy ass game. No matter where you are in the world, it attracts people with more knowledge of the game, and deeper pockets than an average recreational player.Loose games are super profitable when you dont run like shit.. otherwise, prepare to go through a few bi'sYou all need to remember one thing, trying to compare something like 100NL online with 2/5NL live is retarded. Have you ever lost more than $1200 in a session playing 100nl? Does the idea of losing $100 not bother you? well what about $1000?and anyone rolled enough to play 2-5NL live, is NOT a standard 100NL player.
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Think of the bankroll you need to play each game responsibly. Suppose you want to play with 25 BIs at each level. Well at 200nl you need $5000 which is already outside of the scope of many players' bankrolls, regardless of their skill level. Now take 2/5 and it's $12,500. Many people just don't have that kind of money lying around for poker, and they don't want to work on building a BR for it.Being able to handle variance and swings is a separate skill from the tactical game of poker. Many players don't have it. They're comfortable losing $50 or $100 online in any given coinflip but the thought of dropping $500 or worse like $2800 (because live games can get ridiculously deep) can be sickening
I just posted right after you without seeing this, and pretty much said the same thingand yea, the proximity of a casino is a big factor. not everyone can go to one regularily.
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I'll take this time to tell a personal story, maybe some of you can relateMy first time ever losing 1k.After a good week (4 days) of 1/2 being up over 9bi's i decided to play some 2-5NL on the saturday.i always buyin for at least 100bb's.after some up and down, still howvering around the 500 mark I pick up KK.long story short, I made a great call on the turn vs some guy who had 4 outs. he hit.Realizing the table was full of action, and steaming. I re-loaded. after another hour or 2, i end up in another big pot. this time a huge cooler. Nut flush vs top set, he filled up.so after being down 1kI got up and left, and i thought taht was the end of poker for me. I couldnt do anythng that day, i just went home. went to bed.The next day i started asking myself, if losing 1k is this bad, how will i handle losing 10k for the first time?eventually i was able to grind 1/2 and build my confidence again, but man its tough.

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I got up and left, and i thought taht was the end of poker for me. I couldnt do anythng that day, i just went home. went to bed.The next day i started asking myself, if losing 1k is this bad, how will i handle losing 10k for the first time?eventually i was able to grind 1/2 and build my confidence again, but man its tough.
I think this goes for every poker player, when losing his first BR. First time I played online I managed to boost my BR pretty rapidly up to about 550$, blew it all up playing way too high stakes (600NL and 800NL).I went to bed straight away after that, crushed... devastated.Blowing up your BR is painful
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I think this goes for every poker player, when losing his first BR. First time I played online I managed to boost my BR pretty rapidly up to about 550$, blew it all up playing way too high stakes (600NL and 800NL).I went to bed straight away after that, crushed... devastated.Blowing up your BR is painful
not losing my BR. just losing that much.I''ve never really had good BR management, that being said. i've never went bust in poker.I've withdrawn all online funds at various periods for personal reasons. I've packed up BR's for other reasons (quit job, travel, getting kicked out of las vegas and moving back to toronto)There is a time that i look back on, and wonder what if... What if i didnt withdraw my funds online, what if instead of buying rims for my car, or new computer i decided to leave it online and jump a level.but i made my choices back then, probably for the best, because I get to emotionally attached to big loses. and like any top player will tell you... you cant get emotional.
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not losing my BR. just losing that much.I''ve never really had good BR management, that being said. i've never went bust in poker.I've withdrawn all online funds at various periods for personal reasons. I've packed up BR's for other reasons (quit job, travel, getting kicked out of las vegas and moving back to toronto)There is a time that i look back on, and wonder what if... What if i didnt withdraw my funds online, what if instead of buying rims for my car, or new computer i decided to leave it online and jump a level.but i made my choices back then, probably for the best, because I get to emotionally attached to big loses. and like any top player will tell you... you cant get emotional.
Funny you should mention losing 1k. I recently lost 1k online tilting away my money playing elky 5/10 NL. It made me sick to know I pissed away 1000 of my hard earned dollars to a millionaire. Ive only lost over 1k 3 times and it was horrible each time. The first time I spent a week in my apartment. Never left. Just laid on my couch and watched tv. I thought my poker career had come to a crashing halt. Thinking of the Taj was terrible. At 22 and losing that much made me feel like I ruined my life with the choices I made. I got over it and it was a long time til I did it again.
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the $1/$2 NL games only have a $80 max buy in? At the casinos near where I live in biloxi the min is $100 and you can buy in as much as half the big stack so if someone had $2000 you could buy in for a $1000.

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the $1/$2 NL games only have a $80 max buy in? At the casinos near where I live in biloxi the min is $100 and you can buy in as much as half the big stack so if someone had $2000 you could buy in for a $1000.
What happens when the table opens and the first player buys in for $100? Do they have to shut the table down and hope the next time, the first person buys in for at least $200?
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sorry let me clarify...when the table opens there isn't a max buy in and when you rebuy at the table if you go broke you can only buy in for half the big stack, which i think is a dumb rule, I think you should be able to buy in as much as the big stack.

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This is a interesting discussion. In the Casinos near where I live it is exactly the same as redhollywood wrote in his post. @Royal_Tour:Thank you for sharing your story. I can imagine that it is hard to lose so much money for the first time. Unfortunately I am not a good poker player and due to this I have to learn much more in order to not lose much money. I actually found an interesting blog about poker.

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