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[Wandigo]

Before I get b*****d at, that link for the hand convertor isn't working so I just have to post the PStars HH.In a $20 180-man, about 8th in chips with maybe 90 remaining. Kinda just wanted to take down the pot pre-flop but didn't mind a caller. For this kinda of squeeze, should I have just re-raised a little more or should I flat call it or was the push right?PokerStars Game #6259163292: Tournament #31735051, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/09/12 - 10:07:25 (ET)Table '31735051 13' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: wandigo (5103 in chips) Seat 2: Buddha57 (2860 in chips) Seat 3: maxweaver1 (1587 in chips) Seat 4: Biddy Boo (3584 in chips) Seat 5: gottogive (2781 in chips) Seat 6: zhendetazza (4043 in chips) Seat 7: jedii (1785 in chips) Seat 8: TheVolvulus (823 in chips) Seat 9: Gene_Rayburn (2553 in chips) Biddy Boo: posts small blind 50gottogive: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to wandigo [Qc Qs]zhendetazza: raises 300 to 400jedii: calls 400TheVolvulus: folds Gene_Rayburn: folds wandigo: raises 4703 to 5103 and is all-inBuddha57: folds maxweaver1: folds Biddy Boo: folds gottogive: folds zhendetazza: calls 3643 and is all-injedii: calls 1385 and is all-in*** FLOP *** [6s 4d As]*** TURN *** [6s 4d As] [8d]*** RIVER *** [6s 4d As 8d] [5d]*** SHOW DOWN ***zhendetazza: shows [Ac Kd] (a pair of Aces)wandigo: shows [Qc Qs] (a pair of Queens)zhendetazza collected 4516 from side potjedii: shows [Qh Kh] (high card Ace)zhendetazza collected 5505 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 10021 Main pot 5505. Side pot 4516. | Rake 0 Board [6s 4d As 8d 5d]Seat 1: wandigo showed [Qc Qs] and lost with a pair of QueensSeat 2: Buddha57 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: maxweaver1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Biddy Boo (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: gottogive (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: zhendetazza showed [Ac Kd] and won (10021) with a pair of AcesSeat 7: jedii showed [Qh Kh] and lost with high card AceSeat 8: TheVolvulus folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Gene_Rayburn folded before Flop (didn't bet)Thanks in advance.

[throwemaway]

Wandigo, on Tuesday, September 12th, 2006, 6:21 AM, said:

Before I get b*****d at, that link for the hand convertor isn't working so I just have to post the PStars HH.In a $20 180-man, about 8th in chips with maybe 90 remaining. Kinda just wanted to take down the pot pre-flop but didn't mind a caller. For this kinda of squeeze, should I have just re-raised a little more or should I flat call it or was the push right?PokerStars Game #6259163292: Tournament #31735051, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/09/12 - 10:07:25 (ET)Table '31735051 13' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: wandigo (5103 in chips) Seat 2: Buddha57 (2860 in chips) Seat 3: maxweaver1 (1587 in chips) Seat 4: Biddy Boo (3584 in chips) Seat 5: gottogive (2781 in chips) Seat 6: zhendetazza (4043 in chips) Seat 7: jedii (1785 in chips) Seat 8: TheVolvulus (823 in chips) Seat 9: Gene_Rayburn (2553 in chips) Biddy Boo: posts small blind 50gottogive: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to wandigo [Qc Qs]zhendetazza: raises 300 to 400jedii: calls 400TheVolvulus: folds Gene_Rayburn: folds wandigo: raises 4703 to 5103 and is all-inBuddha57: folds maxweaver1: folds Biddy Boo: folds gottogive: folds zhendetazza: calls 3643 and is all-injedii: calls 1385 and is all-in*** FLOP *** [6s 4d As]*** TURN *** [6s 4d As] [8d]*** RIVER *** [6s 4d As 8d] [5d]*** SHOW DOWN ***zhendetazza: shows [Ac Kd] (a pair of Aces)wandigo: shows [Qc Qs] (a pair of Queens)zhendetazza collected 4516 from side potjedii: shows [Qh Kh] (high card Ace)zhendetazza collected 5505 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 10021 Main pot 5505. Side pot 4516. | Rake 0 Board [6s 4d As 8d 5d]Seat 1: wandigo showed [Qc Qs] and lost with a pair of QueensSeat 2: Buddha57 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: maxweaver1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Biddy Boo (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: gottogive (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: zhendetazza showed [Ac Kd] and won (10021) with a pair of AcesSeat 7: jedii showed [Qh Kh] and lost with high card AceSeat 8: TheVolvulus folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Gene_Rayburn folded before Flop (didn't bet)Thanks in advance.

Dont post resultsLooks standard to me

[trystero]

This is standard.At least jedii got what he deserved.

[copernicus]

Im confused....how is this a squeeze play?The bigger stack is first to act, he isnt being squeezed by anything. I also hate this push with one of the top stacks. Youve got a standard raiser and a caller, and youve got position on both. Call and see the flop.

[pokerfan1080]

copernicus, on Tuesday, September 12th, 2006, 1:07 PM, said:

Im confused....how is this a squeeze play?

I was wondering the same thing. HoH II defines a squeeze play as a bluffing move. You need to suspect the first raiser is playing aggressive with mid range or weak holdings, and the caller as having a hand that he thinks is playable against a small raise but not against a reraise.OP has a legitimate hand, so not a traditional squeeze play. I don't recall anything in HoH that describes stack sizes as a requirement. Is this something we should consider with a squeeze play as well?

[throwemaway]

I guess I should prolly pay attention to stack sizes and the fact that its a 1 table sng before I post..My bad, like I said earlier, I was super tired and still at work..Just listen to Copernicus basically..See a flop against the other CL, an UTG 4x raise looks pretty strong and although you likely have the best hand here, it is vulnerable..And like the others say, no its not a traditional squeeze play...Even if you did have rags and decided to push, that would be awful, considering the amount of strength UTG is showing..The play you took is more of a "I'm almost sure I have the best hand so lets take down this already nice sized pot/ value raise"

[Wandigo]

throwemaway, on Tuesday, September 12th, 2006, 8:47 AM, said:

I guess I should prolly pay attention to stack sizes and the fact that its a 1 table sng before I post..My bad, like I said earlier, I was super tired and still at work..Just listen to Copernicus basically..See a flop against the other CL, an UTG 4x raise looks pretty strong and although you likely have the best hand here, it is vulnerable..And like the others say, no its not a traditional squeeze play...Even if you did have rags and decided to push, that would be awful, considering the amount of strength UTG is showing..The play you took is more of a "I'm almost sure I have the best hand so lets take down this already nice sized pot/ value raise"

It wasn't a 1-table, it was the 180-man Unless I read this first sentence wrong.I guess I get confused about the definition of a squeeze play. I was thinking making a move after a EP bet and caller where I could force both of them out of the hand, ie sqeeze them out. I didn't think chip stacks mattered, and I only had about 1k on the guy and figured since I was playing tight anyways, he would fold anything but AA KK QQ JJ, MAYBE AK if he was paying attention to the hands I was showing down, which I guess he wasn't.But now that I look back on it, I probably should've called and seen a flop and when the ace came, I could have gotten out easily.

[fckthis]

Umm, how is this a squeeze play? Don't you have to have a hand thats not in phil hellmuths top 10?

[Wandigo]

fckthis, on Tuesday, September 12th, 2006, 3:23 PM, said:

Umm, how is this a squeeze play? Don't you have to have a hand thats not in phil hellmuths top 10?

Read the post directly above yours. I said sometimes I get confused at what a squeeze play is.

[Actuary]

OP: don't post resultsEveryone Else: don't post crtiques on posts with resultsthat's all.

[copernicus]

pokerfan1080, on Tuesday, September 12th, 2006, 12:32 PM, said:

I was wondering the same thing. HoH II defines a squeeze play as a bluffing move. You need to suspect the first raiser is playing aggressive with mid range or weak holdings, and the caller as having a hand that he thinks is playable against a small raise but not against a reraise.OP has a legitimate hand, so not a traditional squeeze play. I don't recall anything in HoH that describes stack sizes as a requirement. Is this something we should consider with a squeeze play as well?

Yes, I think stack sizes are critical to the success of a squeeze play. The squeeze is caused by the threat of the original caller having a hand that can reraise, making it potentially more expenseive for the first player in than just calling your raise. If the caller doesnt have a stack that threatens the first player in, FPI can play based on his own values.