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[bdc30]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)CO ($254.50)Button ($156.10)Hero ($99.45)BB ($101.50)UTG ($110.05)MP ($105.75)Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 , K . UTG calls $1, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: ($3) 6 , T , Q (3 players)Hero checks, BB bets $2.4, UTG folds, Hero calls $2.40.Turn: ($7.80) 5 (2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $5.55, Hero calls $5.55.River: ($18.90) 8 (2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $14.2, Hero??How bad did I donk this up by letting the river hit? Was I drawing dead right off the flop?How did I not put a raise in somewhere?I don't know the answers to any of these questions..........

[GoCryWolfe]

I'm not folding, but then again, I don't check call the whole way.I do not see you beat here, at all. Two pair? Or a lower flush, but def. not the Ace.

[MasterLJ]

Warning, No content:Kd4d is what the BB had when I lost with a flopped flush with JdTd in the biggest pot of my life (4 way all-in).So yeah, you're probably beat sir.

[CobaltBlue]

The really funny part is that you've got the fourth nuts on the river.And I got that "gut feeling" when I flopped a flush (3rd nuts) playing 2/5 NL in a casino for the second time. I mean, I still don't think I could've gotten away, but the guy sitting next to me didn't understand why I was ill...that after the action had gone through on the flop, I knew one of them had the nut flush.

[trystero]

I just realized that you flopped a flush, oh my Gawd. Lead flop. Try to get it all in ASAP. If he raises you can call/push turn as you've got position.As played it's probably a fold because your kicker's a 4 and not a 3. The krablar wouldn't let you down.

[dreamcrusher28]

I get that feeling in my "gut", always call and rarely win. Welcome to my world.

[MasterLJ]

CobaltBlue, on Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 2:15 PM, said:

The really funny part is that you've got the fourth nuts on the river.And I got that "gut feeling" when I flopped a flush (3rd nuts) playing 2/5 NL in a casino for the second time. I mean, I still don't think I could've gotten away, but the guy sitting next to me didn't understand why I was ill...that after the action had gone through on the flop, I knew one of them had the nut flush.

I was in MP with JdTd. Everyone limps. Flop comes down 9d 6d 3d.BB bets out pot size. I raise. MP+1 pushes. CO smooth calls. BB pushes. *cry*

[bdc30]

GoCryWolfe, on Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 1:35 PM, said:

I'm not folding, but then again, I don't check call the whole way.I do not see you beat here, at all. Two pair? Or a lower flush, but def. not the Ace.

Not only the A , but the 9 as well.I just called the bet on the river. I was basically drawing dead from the flop.Chat after the hand went as follows:Villain: HOW did I not get your whole stack there?Hero: I have no idea.I don't know if this means I am playing really well or really poorly. I know over the long run if I get it all in here, I'm winning somewhere around 90% of the time, but I truly just felt that I was doomed here. I'm trying to get past that whole "NO WAY, he can't have "X" here" syndrome.

[petersun]

Let's say the action was like this:

bdc30, on Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 11:15 AM, said:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)CO ($254.50)Button ($156.10)Hero ($99.45)BB ($101.50)UTG ($110.05)MP ($105.75)Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 , K . UTG calls $1, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: ($3) 6 , T , Q (3 players)Hero checks, BB bets $2.4, UTG folds, Hero raises to $10, BB reraises to $30, Hero???

Can anyone let the king high flush go?

bdc30, on Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 11:15 AM, said:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)CO ($254.50)Button ($156.10)Hero ($99.45)BB ($101.50)UTG ($110.05)MP ($105.75)Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 , K . UTG calls $1, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: ($3) 6 , T , Q (3 players)Hero checks, BB bets $2.4, UTG folds, Hero raises to $10, BB reraises to $30, Hero raises to $60, BB reraises to $101.50 and is All-In

We're obviously beat now right? Can we fold to save 41 bucks?

bdc30, on Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 6:51 PM, said:

Not only the A , but the 9 as well.I just called the bet on the river. I was basically drawing dead from the flop.Chat after the hand went as follows:Villain: HOW did I not get your whole stack there?Hero: I have no idea.I don't know if this means I am playing really well or really poorly. I know over the long run if I get it all in here, I'm winning somewhere around 90% of the time, but I truly just felt that I was doomed here. I'm trying to get past that whole "NO WAY, he can't have "X" here" syndrome.

I think that you were fortunate he didn't get your whole stack, but whether this was due to good play or poor play depends on you read. If you felt that there was a significant chance that he had a bigger flush (and I am not sure how you could from your betting except for some gut feeling), then I guess it's a decent play.I think you have to clearly raise on the flop or turn to define your opponent's hand.

[bdc30]

petersun, on Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 9:36 PM, said:

Let's say the action was like this:Can anyone let the king high flush go?

Nope, if that's the action, I'm dropping a stack, every time.In your second theoretical example, then I'm putting him on AQ with only A :diamond:and insta-calling......

petersun, on Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 9:36 PM, said:

If you felt that there was a significant chance that he had a bigger flush (and I am not sure how you could from your betting except for some gut feeling), then I guess it's a decent play.

I honestly read him for only the naked A and was waiting for a non diamond river to shovel. I questioned even calling the bet on the river.Out of the BB, I had no idea what his other card might have been, but I certainly didn't put him on the already made flush.That last probably saved me money, sadly.

[petersun]

bdc30, on Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 9:44 PM, said:

I honestly read him for only the naked A and was waiting for a non diamond river to shovel. I questioned even calling the bet on the river.Out of the BB, I had no idea what his other card might have been, but I certainly didn't put him on the already made flush.That last probably saved me money, sadly.

That's kind of an odd line. You want to shovel when you feel that your opponent missed the draw. Therefore, he will not call your shovel unless he's a fool or unless he has you beat. That can't be +ev.

[bdc30]

petersun, on Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 10:34 PM, said:

That's kind of an odd line. You want to shovel when you feel that your opponent missed the draw. Therefore, he will not call your shovel unless he's a fool or unless he has you beat. That can't be +ev.

I confuse even myself sometimes....lol

[Shimmering Wang]

bdc30, on Sunday, December 10th, 2006, 12:44 AM, said:

Nope, if that's the action, I'm dropping a stack, every time.In your second theoretical example, then I'm putting him on AQ with only A :diamond:and insta-calling......I honestly read him for only the naked A and was waiting for a non diamond river to shovel.

Hahaha. That is EASILY the silliest thing I've ever heard."I had this gut feeling that I was good the entire way, and could have priced him off a live draw on the turn- when he VERY LIKELY had NOTHING BUT a draw- but decided to let him draw for free, so I could only lose and never win!"So which was it? Were you calling down because your gut told you that you were drawing dead? Or because you decided he had the Ad and you got too fancy, but still decided to just ignore your read completely and dump off your checks on the river?Veeeery confusing :)Wang

[schizo dave]

i dont get a good gut feeling for poker,but i hear voices and they tell me what i should do

[bdc30]

Shimmering Wang, on Saturday, December 9th, 2006, 11:58 PM, said:

Hahaha. That is EASILY the silliest thing I've ever heard."I had this gut feeling that I was good the entire way, and could have priced him off a live draw on the turn- when he VERY LIKELY had NOTHING BUT a draw- but decided to let him draw for free, so I could only lose and never win!"So which was it? Were you calling down because your gut told you that you were drawing dead? Or because you decided he had the Ad and you got too fancy, but still decided to just ignore your read completely and dump off your checks on the river?Veeeery confusing :)Wang

Yea, I know....lol.I can't explain it, I was just sitting there the whole time thinking...this just doesn't feel right......I know I shoulda thrown a raise in, somewhere, but I think if I had've it would have ended up stacking me, for sure. Who knows, like I say, 97% of the time, I'm ending up all in here, not quite sure HOW I didnt.