Question About Chopping In Live Cash

[scottyno 0]

Ive been playing a weekly mixed game and a lot of the people are older passive players that like to chop blind vs blind. Sometimes I say fine and sometimes I play it out because I feel like I have an edge vs pretty much everyone in the game. I never offer the chop so I feel like its fair for me to have the choice, I think if I was offering chops at times then I would be obligated to always accept. Had a weird situation come up today where every time it was bvb the guy would say "el choppo", flip up his hand, and pull his bet back. He didn't wait for the other player to do anything, he just assumed everyone else would chop every single time. I felt like it would be super douchey of me to raise once I saw his hand, plus I had a really bad hand, so I just said fine and chopped.Is it ethical for me to in a sense pick and choose when I want to chop given that I never offer the chop myself, or should I be accepting every chop or none. BTW, if I had a real hand in the "el choppo" situation I would have just sat there and done nothing since at the time I had not chopped any pots so I had absolutely no obligation to chop and I think its just as douchey for him to assume that every single bvb pot is going to be chopped just because he wants them to be.

[king_tanner 84]

My opinion: If there is a no flop no drop rule where you pick up the blinds then there is no problem with playing without a chop even though some of the "older passive" players will hate you.With the el choppo guy you might want to tell him or the dealer that you don't want to chop every time and to not show his hand. If he keeps doing it after you say something then you have every right to raise without being douchey.

[keith crime 8]

if you chop once you should chop for the rest of the night

[CrookedLink 0]

if you chop once you should chop for the rest of the night

[mtdesmoines 3]

My opinion: If there is a no flop no drop rule where you pick up the blinds then there is no problem with playing without a chop even though some of the "older passive" players will hate you.With the el choppo guy you might want to tell him or the dealer that you don't want to chop every time and to not show his hand. If he keeps doing it after you say something then you have every right to raise without being douchey.

Just say, "please ... no chop." If he doesn't honor it, play your hand with the information he provides.

[StayBile 0]

once you have accepted a chop, you are in the business of chopping for that session. You either agree to do it all the time by accepting a chop or offering one. If you are not interested in chopping, when you sit down just casually mention to the people on your right and left that you don't chop.Just don't be the guy that chops a hand here or there and then wants to play when he picks up cards. This is all obv. etiquette based. In all reality you can accept chops all you want and offer them randomly throughout the night based on your hole cards but from an etiquette standpoint that would be really rude.

[dapokerbum 0]

At the casino I play at there is an understanding that you always ask for a chop. The reason being is that there is a BBJP there and if you have a hand like an AK and the other player has a PP then you want to at least see the flop to see if there is a possible BBJP to hit. However, you are not allowed to directly talk to someone about the fact that you might be able to win the BBJP if something happens. So normally if it comes to BvB the small blind will ask about the chop. If the big blind has a BBJP hand then he will deny the chop. If the small blind has a hand as well then he will raise and then the flop comes out and the hand is played out.

[king_tanner 84]

I don't agree with if you chop once you are chopping for the rest of the time. Whenever it is blind to blind it should be asked to chop even if you have chopped a hand previously before. I can't remember a time where players automatically chopped without asking unless they were friends or knew each other.

[CrookedLink 0]

I don't agree with if you chop once you are chopping for the rest of the time. Whenever it is blind to blind it should be asked to chop even if you have chopped a hand previously before. I can't remember a time where players automatically chopped without asking unless they were friends or knew each other.

You sure as hell better say yes though.

[king_tanner 84]

You sure as hell better say yes though.

why? Just because a bunch of old guys make it known that they don't like people who don't chop doesn't mean you have to chop.

[CrookedLink 0]

why? Just because a bunch of old guys make it known that they don't like people who don't chop doesn't mean you have to chop.

I have no problem with you deciding not to chop for the entire night.But if you just chopped the hand before, then get asked to chop the next hand, and you decide you want to play this one out, that seems pretty douchy, imo.

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

I don't agree with if you chop once you are chopping for the rest of the time. Whenever it is blind to blind it should be asked to chop even if you have chopped a hand previously before. I can't remember a time where players automatically chopped without asking unless they were friends or knew each other.

Almost all the live games ive played if its 6 or more players we chop 5 or less we play.And it would be pretty ugly to chop when you have 7-3 and play when u have QQ if you chop than dont even look at your hand and muck.Most tmes your just paying rake.But if you dont like chopping than as someone said before u announce to the table when u sit down you dont chop.

[king_tanner 84]

I have no problem with you deciding not to chop for the entire night.But if you just chopped the hand before, then get asked to chop the next hand, and you decide you want to play this one out, that seems pretty douchy, imo.

I guess I just disagree then. If I look at 2 5 in the first hand then A A in the second hand I'm playing out the second hand. Or if I think I can outplay the guy regardless of the cards I won't chop.

[troyomac 0]

I guess I just disagree then. If I look at 2 5 in the first hand then A A in the second hand I'm playing out the second hand. Or if I think I can outplay the guy regardless of the cards I won't chop.

That's horrible etiquette, and just asking to get punched in the face.

[mrpaddyx 13]

Without wanting to come across as dense (probably too late), is chopping in this way when the there is no action before the small blind and both players in the blinds agree to chop the pot equally without going any further?

[king_tanner 84]

That's horrible etiquette, and just asking to get punched in the face.

I'm not saying that I do it. I usually offer to chop before looking at my cards.I've just never understood why people get so worked up when someone refuses to chop. People are not required to chop. Why is it such a big deal?

[FARGOpokerND 22]

I'm not saying that I do it. I usually offer to chop before looking at my cards.I've just never understood why people get so worked up when someone refuses to chop. People are not required to chop. Why is it such a big deal?

People aren't required to chop, but when they chop once then don't chop (like your 2-5 and AA example) that is VERY poor etiquette. Chop once, chop whole session is what I do.

[StayBile 0]

I'm not saying that I do it. I usually offer to chop before looking at my cards.I've just never understood why people get so worked up when someone refuses to chop. People are not required to chop. Why is it such a big deal?

people don't usually get worked up about someone refusing to chop. When you find people getting upset is when someone is hopping back and forth between chopping and not chopping. Its just really rude to chop one or two hands and then not chop the next and then ask for a chop two rounds later etc. The key is consistency, most people really don't mind if you chop or if you don't chop, just be consistent.

[troyomac 0]

I'm not saying that I do it. I usually offer to chop before looking at my cards.I've just never understood why people get so worked up when someone refuses to chop. People are not required to chop. Why is it such a big deal?

Of course nobody's required to chop. But if you do one hand then don't the next, it's pretty scummy. It's just a different way of angleshooting.

[Merby 3]

I have found that as long as you let the table know ahead of time what your stance on chopping is, and as long as you are consistent with it (always chopping or never chopping) then most players are fine with it. Sure some players will be a little put off that the BVB hands must get played out, but it tends to be only the old, tight, passive players and even for them it is only a minor irritation.At my casino, it is fairly standard to chop, and although I don't like it, I have made a compromise: I am always willing to chop if we are playing more than 5-handed, but never chop if we are playing 5-handed or less. Also once a player denies a chop with me, we never chop after that.

[dapokerbum 0]

I agree with tanner.And How is it angleshooting? Are you joking? If anything the people might figure out that if you are playing it then you probably have something and if you chop then it isn't worth it in the first place. Do people really think it's douchy to play a good hand when you are dealt it and to take a chop when you BOTH have bad cards. I understand if you both don't look at your cards. But everywhere I have played, the sb will usually look at his cards and then ask the bb if he wants to chop. Sometimes the people chop and sometimes they don't. It doesn't make you a douche to want to maximize your profits. And it is most definitely not angle shooting.

[dapokerbum 0]

I have found that as long as you let the table know ahead of time what your stance on chopping is, and as long as you are consistent with it (always chopping or never chopping) then most players are fine with it. Sure some players will be a little put off that the BVB hands must get played out, but it tends to be only the old, tight, passive players and even for them it is only a minor irritation.At my casino, it is fairly standard to chop, and although I don't like it, I have made a compromise: I am always willing to chop if we are playing more than 5-handed, but never chop if we are playing 5-handed or less. Also once a player denies a chop with me, we never chop after that.

Grudges FTW

[Merby 3]

Grudges FTW

Not at all, it's all about keeping a level playing field. If an opponent can choose when he wants to chop and when he plays, then he can simply chop whenever he would have folded and only play the hands which are good enough to raise.If I were to always agree to a chop whenever he chooses to chop, but play it out the rest of the time, then he would gain a pretty significant advantage in our BVB battles.

[dapokerbum 0]

Not at all, it's all about keeping a level playing field. If an opponent can choose when he wants to chop and when he plays, then he can simply chop whenever he would have folded and only play the hands which are good enough to raise.If I were to always agree to a chop whenever he chooses to chop, but play it out the rest of the time, then he would gain a pretty significant advantage in our BVB battles.

Why wouldn't you just do the same thing. Look at your cards ... if it is worth it to chop ... then chop, if you have a hand then say no sir I don't want to chop. Whoa ... leveled the field out.

[trussdude 0]

That's horrible etiquette, and just asking to get punched in the face.

I was playing with a guy to my right at the Rio last year. We chopped a few hands previously when it folds around to us and I'm about to throw my cards away and pull my bet back when he RAISES out of the small blind!I called his raise with 9-9 and flopped a set against his Aces!