CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Here are my notes on the guy...weakRR KK BB vs SBR3.5xOR/call AKo CO vs SB-weakbet flop miss IP, ch turn, ch rivv1.24Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 9 playersBB: $137.25 UTG: $61.75 UTG+1: $60.30 MP: $140.65 MP2: $9.05 HJ: $147.45 (Hero)CO: $63.50 Button: $30.70 SB: $57.55 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is HJ with : : (9 players)3 folds, MP2 raises to $9.05, and is all in, Hero raises to $17.60, 3 folds, BB raises to $137.25, and is all in, Hero ? Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Him making tiny repops with kings makes me inclined to want to snap this... but at the same time him flatting with AK and weak play postflop maybe means he's a total nut peddler and/or station.It's a protected pot so maybe you can find a hero fold since his range should be AA/KK/QQ Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 almost 3 BIs ? nitring? sigh fold :/ Link to post Share on other sites
QED 4 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Vomit fold I guess. Do you find you end up playing this deep a lot? I always go south once I hit 200bb deep to avoid spots like this where I have no idea wtf to do. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 Do you find you end up playing this deep a lot? I always go south once I hit 200bb deep to avoid spots like this where I have no idea wtf to do.If I'm doing well or playing for a while, yes. Playing deep is generally way easier. I trust myself with a deep stack, and, whether it should or not, it intimidates opponents.I was talking with a friend that plays quite a bit of Rush. He actually analyzed his database and found that when he has 150bb+, opponents fold significantly more to his cbets than when he's at 100bb. That's mostly in line with what I felt was going on.Generally speaking, you just have to pot control a bit more and emphasize position when you start getting deeper. Other deep-stacked opponents aren't typically going to mess with you...especially OOP.One of the funniest/funkiest hands that I played with extremely deep stacks...I raised AA UTG+1 at 100nl. My extremely LAG opponent re-raised from the CO. We were 600bb effective. That was a pretty LOL spot. I ended up pulling a Phil Laak and 4-betting his $10 3-bet to like $70. Link to post Share on other sites
QED 4 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I was talking with a friend that plays quite a bit of Rush. He actually analyzed his database and found that when he has 150bb+, opponents fold significantly more to his cbets than when he's at 100bb. That's mostly in line with what I felt was going on.That's something I've noticed too but wasn't sure if it was acutally happening or just running hot, stack size does seem to have a real affect on cbet success. I wonder if it's just because people think "big stack = good player" or it's deep vs deep and people don't want to risk losing a huge pot. Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 i find it hard to fold here. he has to have some amount of none AA in his range. plus i think the shove looks more like protection for a AK,AQ type, QQ type hand more then something with crushing value. KK is a pitcher for the atlanta braves, was this him. bc if it is a famous person def more a spazz factor here Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 That's something I've noticed too but wasn't sure if it was acutally happening or just running hot, stack size does seem to have a real affect on cbet success. I wonder if it's just because people think "big stack = good player" or it's deep vs deep and people don't want to risk losing a huge pot.Leverage, I think.People know that by calling a bet on the flop, that there's a big chance they'll be facing an even bigger one on the turn, and very likely a third on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 wrong thread. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 wrong thread.seeeeeee the problem with having more than the c-thread90efiauebhifabeihbaiubfieubfiabfiyeabiyae Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 agreedone thread > entire forum Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 KK is a pitcher for the atlanta braves, was this him. bc if it is a famous person def more a spazz factor hereI was just trying to come up with a clever way to say KK. (I am a Braves fan.) Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I was just trying to come up with a clever way to say KK. (I am a Braves fan.)me too! they are looking promising this year! Link to post Share on other sites
Mills 0 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 me too! they are looking promising this year! So i'm play in this tourney, blinds are 200/400 and I raise from Uggla the gun... Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 I definitely should've put this in the OP, but I wasn't using a HUD at the time, so I technically didn't know it beyond subconsciously.Over 920 hands, his 4bet % is 0. Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I definitely should've put this in the OP, but I wasn't using a HUD at the time, so I technically didn't know it beyond subconsciously.Over 920 hands, his 4bet % is 0.KK would seem to shrink quite a bit with that stat. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 After a decent bit of deliberation, I finally found the fold button. Fortunately, the shorty had 88 and the BB had AA.This was actually the first time I'd ever folded KK pre-flop in a cash game (over millions of hands). Felt good to be vindicated. Link to post Share on other sites
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