trystero 0 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Hero is dealt [ 6 6 7 5 ]Hero has $5, villain same. No reads at all on him. Well not totally true, in like 20 hands he hasn't gotten out of line seemingly.6max 5plo 4handed1 foldHero raises to 0.151 foldBB callsFlop [ 9 7 5 ]($0.30)BB checksHero bets 0.20BB calls 0.20Turn [ 9 7 5 ] [ 5 ]($0.70)BB checksHero bets 0.50BB raises to $1.00uh?Hero calls 0.50River [ 9 7 5 ] [ 5 ] [ Q ]($2.70)BB bets $2.40Hero? Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 zero value in raising, maybe really thin value in calling.you have the worst full house possible. if he's tight i could see folding here. barring real reads id just call. Link to post Share on other sites
dingas 0 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 At this level you see quite a few nut-peddlers and the min-raise on the turn really screams that he has you beat here. I think I give it up to the big river bet. Link to post Share on other sites
redhollywood 0 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 9 5 is a real hand here especially if he is playing something like 5 7 8 9 with suited cards. I think this is a fold. Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 ugh that river bet size looks horrible. i mean i still probably call but crap we are nailed here a bunch i think, i would pray villain is a total newb and has just 2 pair or a set but that is kind of unlikely. I just hate to fold a boat man. I mean we don't beat a ton, so i could see with reads laying this down but i have a very hard time getting away from this hand Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 We only have to be ahead like 33% of the time for this to be a breakeven call though right? Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 But in PLO is 33% a realistic figure? How often does a generic PLO player bluff here? I'd say not close to 33%... Link to post Share on other sites
Frez 0 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Maybe villan is excited about the straight he flopped? Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Maybe villan is excited about the straight he flopped?he would be calling the preflop bet with a god awful hand then. And I just don't think most players are check calling there flopped st8 when they flush draw is showing. even a total donk knows they need to protect against the flush when they flop the current nuts Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 I'm also blocking 68 w/my pairs of sixesnot like blockers ever matter. I got stacked yesterday holding TT88 on a 976 board when the other T8 freerolled me with his FD. Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 even a total donk knows they need to protect against the flush when they flop the current nutsnot necessarilyif i flop the nut straight w/ no redraws, and theres action on a real drawy board, its better to wait for a safe turn to pump it, and sometimes better to just fold it. if theres lots of action, the possibility of someone else having the nuts is pretty big, and if we have no redraws that means either they probably do or someone else is drawing at some big hands. either way were on the bad side of a freeroll. if the best we usually can get is a split and theres a good chance we lose the whole thing, id rather fold even if i have the current nuts. even HU, it wouldnt be awful to sorta slowplay/see a safe-ish turn before raising with a straight. if we have AAxx we're just folding anyway unless we have a flush draw/straight draw too. the minraise could be "i have a straight and dont want you to fold AAxx" or "i have a straight and dont want to raise too much if you have a boat, but i think my straights good" or it could be "i have the nuts and dont want you to fold"the river bet screams better boat, but i hate folding. it would be tough for him to v-bet with less hoping you call with AAxx. Link to post Share on other sites
dingas 0 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 not like blockers ever matter. I got stacked yesterday holding TT88 on a 976 board when the other T8 freerolled me with his FD.In this situation blockers don't matter. If you bet the flop and get raised, he has the straight or some other monster hand like a set+gutshot or set+flush draw. If you bet the flop and get reraised in a deep stacked game you should give serious thought to folding. The only reason to continue is if you think you can bluff villain off a scarecard. (obviously this does not apply in all cases - if it's a three bet heads up pot, you stack off every time and if he has T8 with a flush draw, then it's just a cooler. But if it's a fourway limped pot and you stack off with TT88 on a 976 flop then that's a bad play.) Link to post Share on other sites
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