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#5561 AmScray

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 12:20 PM

Dong Hyun Kim is rapidly becoming a top 5 favorite fighter.

UFC still has him rated #11 WW.
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:20 PM

This UFC Fight pass crap is irritating me. I have bought enough damn PPVs over the years where this $10 a month bs bothers me. I'll wait it out, maybe move away from the sport a little if need be. Two consecutive $60 charges on my directtv bill yet now I gotta pay $120 a year for a crappy TUF season and a few decent fights here and there
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 06:48 PM

Its chiseling. Hate it. They're missing the big-big picture; that if they make it too expensive for someone to keep up and remain a fan, they'll lose fans.

JDS v Miocic announced for 173.

I have a medium straight position on Jimi Manuwa against Gus, as well as small position on Akhmedov
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:03 PM

And allow me to explain my reasoning (which opens me up to criticism from sideliners if Manuwa goes out there and gets triangled in the first 40 seconds, but it is what it is)

Gus is priced on the basis of his performance against Jones.
What the herd doesn't fully understand is that his performance against Jones was because of a huge, ego driven tactical error made by Jones; he traditionally tries to out-(insert specialty here) against any given specialist. He made a huge, huge error trying to out-box a talented boxer who was as long as he was... Still won the disputed D but even Jones himself admitted that the razor thin outcome of that fight was based on his overestimating his ability to out-box Gus and full credit to him, because he's absolutely correct. The herd does not understand what this implies.

Manuwa has completely shitbagged every fighter he's gone against. Made them look like children, including his 3 in the big show. That's meaningful. While not top guys, winning in the UFC, even against middling fighters, is the acid test because you're facing a huge step up in competition that you're not going to get in lesser promotions. He went through them like they were made of paper.

I made money repeatedly shoving big on an underpriced Glover when he first came into the UFC, I'm strongly sensing that Manuwa may be the same 'thing'. He's definitely getting a major test against Gus, Gus also has wrestling and subs which I don't think Manuwa has faced on a high level so that's where the risk is IMO (in addition to Manuwas untested gas) but I absolutely do not think it takes 3.75 parallel universes before what I've seen from Manuwa wins one against what I've seen from Gustaffson.

The only thing that guarantees none of this goes as planned is if Tanner comes on saying that he coat-tailed me. If that happens, then shove on Gus because it guarantees I lose.
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:29 PM

If he wins this, he's getting a shot and aside from that fight, he'll never be priced a dog again.
It may be your last chance to get him on the + side and in the +350 range to boot.
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:17 AM

View PostAmScray, on 05 March 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

And allow me to explain my reasoning (which opens me up to criticism from sideliners if Manuwa goes out there and gets triangled in the first 40 seconds, but it is what it is)

Gus is priced on the basis of his performance against Jones.
What the herd doesn't fully understand is that his performance against Jones was because of a huge, ego driven tactical error made by Jones; he traditionally tries to out-(insert specialty here) against any given specialist. He made a huge, huge error trying to out-box a talented boxer who was as long as he was... Still won the disputed D but even Jones himself admitted that the razor thin outcome of that fight was based on his overestimating his ability to out-box Gus and full credit to him, because he's absolutely correct. The herd does not understand what this implies.

Manuwa has completely shitbagged every fighter he's gone against. Made them look like children, including his 3 in the big show. That's meaningful. While not top guys, winning in the UFC, even against middling fighters, is the acid test because you're facing a huge step up in competition that you're not going to get in lesser promotions. He went through them like they were made of paper.

I made money repeatedly shoving big on an underpriced Glover when he first came into the UFC, I'm strongly sensing that Manuwa may be the same 'thing'. He's definitely getting a major test against Gus, Gus also has wrestling and subs which I don't think Manuwa has faced on a high level so that's where the risk is IMO (in addition to Manuwas untested gas) but I absolutely do not think it takes 3.75 parallel universes before what I've seen from Manuwa wins one against what I've seen from Gustaffson.

The only thing that guarantees none of this goes as planned is if Tanner comes on saying that he coat-tailed me. If that happens, then shove on Gus because it guarantees I lose.

Win some fights then I'll start coattailing you again

I agree about the fight pass crap. I'm with you Ron I'm not paying extra after I already pay $60 a month for ppv's. **** that

QUOTE (rcgs59 @ Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, 8:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
$5,000 lol wish it was 5000

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:00 PM

I am seriously tempted to go back and make charts and graphs that demonstrate my general performance versus my performance whenever you coat tailed me.

Its so consistent that I should probably be asking you whenever you feel confident enough to coat tail a pick, that will be a signal my insight is bad and to fade myself.
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 08:23 PM

View PostAmScray, on 06 March 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

I am seriously tempted to go back and make charts and graphs that demonstrate my general performance versus my performance whenever you coat tailed me.

Its so consistent that I should probably be asking you whenever you feel confident enough to coat tail a pick, that will be a signal my insight is bad and to fade myself.

I'm sorry that you lost. I'm sure that you lost because of my 3 or 4 $20 bets that shared your side, not because your predictions were just off

QUOTE (rcgs59 @ Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, 8:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
$5,000 lol wish it was 5000

#5569 Ron_Mexico

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 01:10 PM

Actually, I heard that the fighters heard about your "coat-tailing" and decided to underperform. So knock it off


Although, I can appreciate the superstitious nature of a gambler
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 02:32 PM

(just to be abundantly clear since dry, blaming sarcasm doesn't translate through the internet)]

I'm completely kidding about the whole coat-tailing thing.
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 02:59 PM

Oh, it's obvious. I thought my sarcasm was dripping as well
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:14 AM

no way i'd go for fight pass, gotta draw the line somewhere. shit whenever i buy one of these fights it's a $200 cable bill the next month. i'm all over 173 tho, looks like a solid card.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:12 PM

Tanners gonna tanner.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:47 PM

View PostBigDMcGee, on 08 March 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Tanners gonna tanner.

And BigD is going to BigD, making a post in a thread where he hardly ever posts just to throw fuel on the fire.

I mean I didn't really care that much, but sarcastic or not amscray fired a shot, I fired back, he did it again, so I fired back again. I might have misinterpreted it a little so my bad

QUOTE (rcgs59 @ Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, 8:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 06:03 PM

View Postmrfritz, on 08 March 2014 - 04:14 AM, said:

no way i'd go for fight pass, gotta draw the line somewhere. shit whenever i buy one of these fights it's a $200 cable bill the next month. i'm all over 173 tho, looks like a solid card.

Agreed with this, drawing the line is definitely the correct wording. I'm already paying extra for HBO, Showtime, redzone during football season, league pass for NBA, usually a ufc ppv... the madness needs to stop.

I'm looking forward to 171 and 173. I will probably skip 172, I don't think Texeira can touch Jones and I don't want to see another 1 sided massacre in the main event.

QUOTE (rcgs59 @ Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, 8:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
$5,000 lol wish it was 5000

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 11:49 PM

How much do they think people are going to spend every year on this?

Your average Joe fan who buys a few hundred bucks worth of cards every year as an adjunct to free Fox cards and TUF is going to feel pretty chiseled about an entire TUF being on that stupid Fight Pass (and hopefully a good one where Shale clobbers Wandy with so many ground elbows he wakes up the next morning with his old monkeyface back)

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I may buy Fight Pass but as a fairly regular PPV buyer and not a streamer, let there be no doubt I'll be taking it back from their asses via declining at least three PPV cards a year that I would've otherwise bought. They're not making it hard. All Ronda Rousey cards will be declined regardless of the Co Main, even if its something ridiculous like Velasquez/Jones,.
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 06:09 PM

You coat tailed me, didn't you.
Christ, starting off the year 0-2 and one of those bets was of decent size. Yay.

Totally clean TKO from Gus, though.
Watch the fight, count how many times he was looking for the left / right uppercut combo, but wound up binking him with the knee.
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 07:25 PM

View Postking_tanner, on 08 March 2014 - 05:47 PM, said:

And BigD is going to BigD, making a post in a thread where he hardly ever posts just to throw fuel on the fire.

I mean I didn't really care that much, but sarcastic or not amscray fired a shot, I fired back, he did it again, so I fired back again. I might have misinterpreted it a little so my bad

I might not post in this thread, because I have little to add, but I read every post in it, because scram is basically the last person left on the forum worth reading and he posts in here regularly. That you, after all these years, still don't get his sense of humor should be shocking to exactly no one.
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 09:13 PM

View PostBigDMcGee, on 09 March 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:



I might not post in this thread, because I have little to add, but I read every post in it, because scram is basically the last person left on the forum worth reading and he posts in here regularly. That you, after all these years, still don't get his sense of humor should be shocking to exactly no one.

I said I misinterpreted things, let's relax and move on

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$5,000 lol wish it was 5000

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 09:19 PM

View PostAmScray, on 09 March 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

You coat tailed me, didn't you.
Christ, starting off the year 0-2 and one of those bets was of decent size. Yay.

Totally clean TKO from Gus, though.
Watch the fight, count how many times he was looking for the left / right uppercut combo, but wound up binking him with the knee.

I didn't bet or watch it, usually Im bluffing when I say I'm not going to buy a Ppv but I'm seriously boycotting fight pass until they put something on it that I have to watch. If they put the Melendez vs Pettis TUF on there I might have a dilemma

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$5,000 lol wish it was 5000



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