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[CobaltBlue]

fighter, on Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 5:03 PM, said:

If I had AA here I would fold to the shove thoughts ?

Oh...he absolutely should fold to my shove. I probably literally have 3 hands in my range there (KcJc/TT/QQ). To be fair, he did timebank it.

[KingJames]

SuperJon, on Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 6:01 PM, said:

Thoughts on turn?

I fold. If the As was on board it makes it betterBut based on your read it seems like a bad callbased on results, you are the best.... Teach me?!!!

[KosinTrouble]

SuperJon, on Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 6:01 PM, said:

Interesting...He donk bet/folded to raise earlier, so when he flats this time, I really weight his range towards like Ax hands that he's probably never folding.Thoughts on turn?

If you think villian is wide enough to include a bunch of non Ax hands, then I like the turn. But when you say you weight his range towards Ax, not such a huge fan of turn. I know if we hit that flush on the river we will get paid off more times than not, but would rather have a few more outs like the K as well. In this case, both the K and 2 were live.Kosin Trouble

[CobaltBlue]

KosinTrouble, on Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 8:32 PM, said:

In this case, both the K and 2 were live we had the best hand the whole time.Kosin Trouble

[SuperJon]

Sooo...value bet river?

[Nashtak]

KingJames, on Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 7:22 PM, said:

when you c/r the flop, you really rep nothing. I don't likeI like the turn barrel bc we haz the equities but I am not a fan of the sizing... just bet 1/2 to 2/3 imoRiver I'd either overjam or bet like 1/3... betting 2/3 is never bad tho. By betting small or big you can rep busted clubs. Or of course, nut... so he might call with his entire bluff catching range... I dunno

Would you consider ''representing'' more important than the other reasons i mentionned? I agree the c/r was awful. I literally went ''wait wtf @ me'' less than 2 seconds after i did it. But rep was never the reason why. It seems pot-control and protecting my hand greatly outweights rep'ing, especially at such low levels.

[KingJames]

Nashtak, on Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 6:59 PM, said:

It seems pot-control and protecting my hand greatly outweights rep'ing, especially at such low levels.

By 'rep' I'm just saying that if villain can hand read at all, you have a bunch of air and almost no value hands on the flop.To the rest... you can't pot-control and protect at the same time, especially by c/r flopIf you wanna pot control and you are confident you have the best hand, than c/c seems fine. c/r over reps our hand, as fighter pointed outIf you want to protect, than betting the flop seems the right play

[Nashtak]

KingJames, on Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 9:15 PM, said:

By 'rep' I'm just saying that if villain can hand read at all, you have a bunch of air and almost no value hands on the flop.To the rest... you can't pot-control and protect at the same time, especially by c/r flopIf you wanna pot control and you are confident you have the best hand, than c/c seems fine. c/r over reps our hand, as fighter pointed outIf you want to protect, than betting the flop seems the right play

True. What i meant is leading out is better for both controlling the pot and defending our hand THAN c/r'ing.

[fighter]

Nashtak, on Wednesday, December 8th, 2010, 12:31 PM, said:

True. What i meant is leading out is better for both controlling the pot and defending our hand THAN c/r'ing.

Reminds me of an old school cash plays episode with samolous and bart hansen . He said when you are really deep, that choosing lines becomes epically more important.If you c/c then you only put a max of one bet inIf you b/c then you only put a max of two bets inIf you c/r then you could potentially be putting three bets in. This is important when deeper since our equity with combo draws on the turn can change radically and different stack to pot ratios caused by these lines can limit our options on different turns.

[fighter]

http://link.brightco...id=697408825001Damn , boosted J is going to be in a video with Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg. Nice life.

[KosinTrouble]

*sigh* I hate when my computer freezes for a sec and doesnt register when I hit the MAX tab when doing the final bet on the River....Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1064040DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History ConverterBTN: $8.97Hero (SB): $6.01BB: $5.97UTG: $7.22MP: $5.00CO: $6.34Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with 6 6 3 folds, BTN raises to $0.17, Hero calls $0.15, 1 foldFlop: ($0.39) 7 J 6 (2 players)Hero checks, BTN bets $0.39, Hero raises to $1.30, BTN calls $0.91Turn: ($2.99) 8 (2 players)Hero bets $2.99, BTN calls $2.99River: ($8.97) 2 (2 players)Hero bets $0.05, BTN calls $0.05Kosin Trouble

[trystero]

King James runs like God heads up and then denies auto-rematches like a true bankroll nitthat is all

[KingJames]

trystero, on Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 10:12 PM, said:

King James runs like God heads up and then denies auto-rematches like a true bankroll nitthat is all

over-value hands much??Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em t10/t20 - 2 playersBB trystero: t1,675 Button Hero: t4,325 Preflop: (t30) Hero is Button with (2 players)Hero raises to t50, trystero calls t30Flop: (t100) (2 players)trystero checks, Hero bets t150, trystero raises to t400, Hero raises to t4,275, and is all in, trystero calls t1,225, and is all inTurn: (t6,000) (2 players)River: (t6,000) (2 players)trystero showed , and lost with two pair, Jacks and TensHero showed , and won (3,350) with a flush, Jack highHero won t3,350

[KingJames]

This poor bastard signed up for the SNG before trystero could get in... I was gonna literally shove ATC until the match ended, but than I just coolered ppl like I always do...Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em t10/t20 - 2 playersBB: t3,000 (Hero)Button: t3,000 Preflop: (t30) Hero is BB with (2 players)Button raises to t60, Hero raises to t3,000, and is all in, Button calls t2,940, and is all inFlop: (t6,000) (2 players)Turn: (t6,000) (2 players)River: (t6,000) (2 players)Hero showed , and won (6,000) with two pair, Eights and FoursButton showed , and lost with two pair, Fours and ThreesHero won t6,000

[KingJames]

Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em t10/t20 - 2 playersButton Hero: t3,195 BB trystero: t2,805 Preflop: (t30) Hero is Button with (2 players)Hero raises to t50, trystero raises to t150, Hero raises to t390, trystero foldsHero won t300Terystero: stop tilting

[Nashtak]

fighter, on Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 9:56 PM, said:

Reminds me of an old school cash plays episode with samolous and bart hansen . He said when you are really deep, that choosing lines becomes epically more important.If you c/c then you only put a max of one bet inIf you b/c then you only put a max of two bets inIf you c/r then you could potentially be putting three bets in. This is important when deeper since our equity with combo draws can change radically on the turn and different stack to pot ratios caused by these lines can limit our options on different turns.

FYP? Trying to vizualize this concept and it seemed to make more sense like this, or i could simply be misinterpreting it.

[Nashtak]

SuperJon, on Tuesday, December 7th, 2010, 8:01 PM, said:

Interesting...He donk bet/folded to raise earlier, so when he flats this time, I really weight his range towards like Ax hands that he's probably never folding.Thoughts on turn?Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $59.30 Button: $82.30 SB: $43.25 BB: $55.25 (Hero)UTG: $50.00 UTG+1: $52.70 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (6 players)4 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50Flop: ($4.00) (2 players)SB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $3Turn: ($13.00) (2 players)SB bets $9, Hero calls $9River: ($31.00) (2 players)SB checks, Hero checksSB showed , and lost with high card AceHero showed , and won ($29.50) with a pair of DeucesHero won $29.50(Rake: $1.50)

So did you call because you figured it would be slightly +EV to chase the flush if your read is true and he's not folding his top pair regardless?$9 for a pot of $22 + his remaining $27,75 = 9 / 49,75 (9 / 49.75) / 9 = 1 / 5,527 risk 1 to win 5,527 with odds of 1 of 5,1 = winYes?Am i missing another motivation for this call? Only seems +EV if we know villain is calling is top pair down like +95% of the time. For all his stack.PS: Chance of hitting a flush on the river is 1 of 5,1 right? 9 spades left, 46 cards unseen.

[fighter]

Nashtak, on Wednesday, December 8th, 2010, 3:35 PM, said:

FYP? Trying to vizualize this concept and it seemed to make more sense like this, or i could simply be misinterpreting it.

you are correct. I accidentally a word or something of the sort.

[Nashtak]

A pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 9 playersUTG+1: $2.62 MP: $10.07 MP2: $2.30 HJ: $9.93 CO: $5.22 Button: $6.64 SB: $4.85 BB: $11.62 (Hero)UTG: $5.40 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with (9 players)3 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, HJ calls $0.05, 3 folds, Hero checksFlop: ($0.17) (3 players)Hero bets $0.15, MP2 folds, HJ raises to $0.65, Hero raises to $3.75, Hero collected $1.40(Rake: $0.07)Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 9 playersUTG: $5.60 UTG+1: $4.67 MP: $13.50 (Hero)MP2: $2.97 HJ: $12.18 CO: $5.18 Button: $0.99 SB: $2.95 BB: $2.00 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with (9 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, MP2 folds, HJ raises to $0.40, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, HJ calls $0.50Flop: ($1.87) (2 players)Hero checks, HJ bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25Turn: ($2.37) (2 players)Hero checks, HJ bets $0.30, [i]Hero ?HJ collected $2.26(Rake: $0.11)---still in the session. too busy for details and explanations for now.enjoy

[Nashtak]

Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 9 playersBB: $4.59 UTG: $10.70 UTG+1: $2.39 MP: $7.04 MP2: $5.15 HJ: $3.96 CO: $4.98 Button: $13.11 (Hero)SB: $4.77 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is Button with (9 players)6 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB foldsFlop: ($0.35) (2 players)SB checks, Hero checksTurn: ($0.35) (2 players)SB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25River: ($0.95) (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $0.60Good spot to barrel?