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[BellaireDrew]

KingJames, on Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010, 6:26 PM, said:

I'm in this camp.I think a lot of regs are exploitable bc they will call a 3b too light in the sb BvB.So our 3b is for value, crushes his 3b calling range and is crushed by his 4betting range... 3b/fold... it seems dirty but I like!!!

Yes there are times that 3bet/folding with AQ is going to be the prudent play, but against any semi decent reg i would never 3bet/fold AQ. Also in a spot where 3bet/5bet shipping is break-even or maybe slightly -ev it helps balance our range. same goes with flatting AQ in pos here for the times we don't want to 3bet get it in, it helps balance.Edit: this is all assuming BvB or CO vs Btn type situations

[KingJames]

dlingdling, on Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010, 5:27 PM, said:

EDIT: Plus, do the opposite of whatever James says.

hidi see it both ways and it's (like 99.9% of poker decisions) villain dependentXXEDDIE, are you using a hud? we neeeeeeeeeed stats and notes...My style of play, I would normally flat pre and play a smaller pot, in position vs his weakest range... I'm also just a fit/fold nit

[trystero]

this is 25nl guysthe closest you get to a 4bb is sitting with one of them. like ARTHUR. or JAMES.

[BellaireDrew]

trystero, on Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010, 6:35 PM, said:

this is 25nl guysthe closest you get to a 4bb is sitting with one of them. like ARTHUR. or JAMES.

That's fine, then most villains you run across are going to be the type where 3bet/folding may be the best play. But I urge you not to go "oh its 25nl no one is capable of 4bbing". You need to make sure you know how to adjust against all types of villains and to be able to pick out what type of player each villain is.

[fighter]

BellaireDrew, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 9:53 AM, said:

I like turning hands just outside of our calling range into a bluff, which is what I believe you are doing here. But i prefer to do it with hands with a bit more playability. I guess K9s is ok, with a K blocker and the ability to make strong/nut flushes. I just like to do it with a hand like J9s or 68s or w/e. Hands with less RIO and can flop really well. Maybe its just a style thing. I don't think its a bad 3 bet, I just don't 3 bet that particular hand. I could be way off tho

Yeah RIO are definitely a problem w pairs. Does having a stronger flush draw make up for it; I have no idea. Seems like a style thing. Could be something more to it though so ill think about it for sure. Thanks for input

trystero, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 10:35 AM, said:

this is 25nl guysthe closest you get to a 4bb is sitting with one of them. like ARTHUR. or JAMES.

LOL that's a golden line

[babylondonks]

lol at Drew thinking he knows poker

[KingJames]

babylondonks, on Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010, 11:09 PM, said:

lol at Drew thinking he knows poker

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[dlingdling]

babylondonks, on Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010, 11:09 PM, said:

lol at Drew thinking he knows poker

It's the Peter Eastgate of FCP! G'day!!!

[fighter]

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[SuperJon]

Played some lollive 200nl tonight.made a pretty sick/decent/horrible call w/A4 on 845J9

[Nashtak]

fighter, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 3:19 AM, said:

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speechless

[KingJames]

SuperJon, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 1:50 AM, said:

Played some lollive 200nl tonight.made a pretty sick/decent/horrible call w/A4 on 845J9

more details, and we'll be the judge of sick/decent/horribleDrew and I had conflicting views on this hand: I feel like a small raise and cheap bluff. Drew said he tought jamming was best as we maximize our fold equity and stay away from a tough turn spot if he flats (we get to bink a J on the turn vs his set of tens and stuff)... (I am paraphrasing what drew said... he can clarify if I'm way off)any thoughts?? what about a size in the middle like $9.5 or so...Villain is a TAG reg, 25/24/5AF, 9%3b, 60% fold to 3b. cbets 75% and folds to cbet of 33% (150 hand sample; winning over those hands on my hud, -2.5BB/100 loser at 40k hands of 50nl 6max)Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersCO fastliketiger: $25.00 Button AndreiS5: $37.23 SB skandi1959: $28.14 BB Hero: $25.03 UTG meatrake: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with (5 players)2 folds, AndreiS5 raises to $0.75, skandi1959 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, AndreiS5 calls $2Flop: ($5.60) (2 players)Hero bets $1.50, AndreiS5 raises to $4.25, Hero raises to $7.25,

[donk4life]

Are you doing that with AA and KK in that spot? What about sets?

[BellaireDrew]

babylondonks, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 12:09 AM, said:

lol at Drew thinking he knows poker

You disappear forever but reappear just to make fun of me, FMFL

fighter, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 2:19 AM, said:

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WAT?Going to take a day off from the LOL online poker grind and going to grind some LOL live poker. Lets just hope i don't swing as much as I have been the last few days.

[KingJames]

donk4life, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 8:52 AM, said:

Are you doing that with AA and KK in that spot? What about sets?

yeah, I prob flat AA KK and sets. and c/c or crai turns... depending on cards/sizingI could 3b small like I did with AA KK to induce, bc when he raises the rootbeer I think he's got more air than value hands, so my in-game thoughts were to re-bluff bc I haz Ahigh oop

[BellaireDrew]

KingJames, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 9:32 AM, said:

Drew and I had conflicting views on this hand: I feel like a small raise and cheap bluff. Drew said he tought jamming was best as we maximize our fold equity and stay away from a tough turn spot if he flats (we get to bink a J on the turn vs his set of tens and stuff)... (I am paraphrasing what drew said... he can clarify if I'm way off)

Ill give my thoughts when I get back from the casino tonight. But one thing I will say that I did not say last night is that I am not really a fan of the cbet sizing there unless it was your plan to induce a raise so you could bet/3bet the flop.

[KingJames]

BellaireDrew, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 8:56 AM, said:

Ill give my thoughts when I get back from the casino tonight. But one thing I will say that I did not say last night is that I am not really a fan of the cbet sizing there unless it was your plan to induce a raise so you could bet/3bet the flop.

gl winning the monies in lolive pokerzyeah, tbh I had never rootbeered without a value hand before. When I 3 and 4bet AA and KK I really like the 1/4 to 1/3 pot cbets... with two overs and a gutter I thought a small bet would be kinda cool here bc we may get a fold or a cheap turn card.I had not really thought about what to do if I got raised... (shame on me I know) but I did think bet/3b would be good once I got in that spot 0o0o0o0o0?

[SuperJon]

KingJames, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 10:32 AM, said:

more details, and we'll be the judge of sick/decent/horribleDrew and I had conflicting views on this hand: I feel like a small raise and cheap bluff. Drew said he tought jamming was best as we maximize our fold equity and stay away from a tough turn spot if he flats (we get to bink a J on the turn vs his set of tens and stuff)... (I am paraphrasing what drew said... he can clarify if I'm way off)any thoughts?? what about a size in the middle like $9.5 or so...Villain is a TAG reg, 25/24/5AF, 9%3b, 60% fold to 3b. cbets 75% and folds to cbet of 33% (150 hand sample; winning over those hands on my hud, -2.5BB/100 loser at 40k hands of 50nl 6max)Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersCO fastliketiger: $25.00 Button AndreiS5: $37.23 SB skandi1959: $28.14 BB Hero: $25.03 UTG meatrake: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with (5 players)2 folds, AndreiS5 raises to $0.75, skandi1959 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, AndreiS5 calls $2Flop: ($5.60) (2 players)Hero bets $1.50, AndreiS5 raises to $4.25, Hero raises to $7.25,

I do like shoving for the reasons Drew gave. When we 3bet here, and he 4bet shoves, we have to fold. When he just flats, and the turn bricks, it's not always an easy decision.Shoving the turn seems kinda spewy since we're likely always getting called by sets and AQ.Also, if I am doing this correctly:If you shove over his flop raise, you'll be shoving $18.03 into a pot of $14.10Against what I think is a reasonable range of QQ,TT,55,AQs,KJs,J9s,AQo, we are about 33%.So when he shove, it's .33 (14.10) - .67 (18.03), which gives us an expected value of -7.43 I'm sure there's probably more math to figure out different results for the times he actually folds, and the times he calls and we win.

[trystero]

can't bet $1.50 there unless you're trying to induce. if you were, :shovel.gif:

[SuperJon]

KingJames, on Thursday, December 23rd, 2010, 10:32 AM, said:

more details, and we'll be the judge of sick/decent/horrible

I'll try to give as much info as I can remember.Villain and I both have around $250-$300, but I think he had me covered at the time. In an earlier pot, he saw me lay down AJ on J6723r when his buddy on my right overbet shoved the river (he also had AJ), so that played into my decision in this hand.Preflop: 3 limpers, I limp the CO with Ah4h, Button raises to $11, HJ calls, and I call.Flop ($36) 8h 4c 5dHJ checks, I check, and the button checksTurn ($36) 8h 4c 5d JhHJ checks, I check, button bets $30, HJ calls, I call.River ($126) 8h 4c 5d Jh 9cHJ checks, I check, button bets $75, HJ folds, and I call.My thoughts were that he always cbets this flop with 99-AA. His biggest value hands that he could play this way are 88 44 55 and 67, but it's live 1-2NL, so people are just more likely to limp those hands. On the turn, when the HJ calls, I think I'm getting good enough implied odds to call and win a big pot if I hit the nut flush.The 2 biggest things that led me to call was the previous hand I played earlier, so I know that he knows that I can make a big laydown. The other thing was a physical tell which I suck at for the most part. When he bet out the $75, he put them in 3 stacks of $25. One of the stacks was a little off, and he quickly fixed it to make sure all 3 stacks were nice and neat. Just seemed really weak to me at the time.Sorry if this post is all over the place.