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[SilentSnow]

Governator, on Friday, December 16th, 2011, 12:42 PM, said:

I think Sophie is smart as well, but why do you think that Coach can't beat her in a jury vote? Don't get me wrong, I think she's the biggest threat to his game but "There is simply no way Coach beats Sophie in a jury vote" seems a little off to me. She might out dual him in a speech (we don't know that though) but all she's really done (even though she's smart) is win a challenge. Most jury members are from the other tribe, who don't know much about the other team except the fact that they watched Coach run the show and out played them by getting cochrane on his team. To me Coach has the upper hand.

Because Savaii is looking like a classic bitter jury. They massively hate Cochran. Just being associated with him(as Coach and Brandon clearly are) is probably enough to get most of Savaii to vote for someone else. When it comes to jury speeches Sophie is likely to give a vastly better speech than Brandon would have and is likely to do better than Coach as well. Also, Coach may be entertaining but most people simply don't like him. He might have skated by against two completely incompetent players like Rick and Brandon, but Sophie is enough of a reasonable alternative that he will have little chance against her. I predict that Coach/Sophie/Rick is the final 3, and Sophie dominates.

[brvheart]

bleacherbum3, on Thursday, December 15th, 2011, 10:02 PM, said:

I'd hit Sophie, but not in the same way you guys would.

agreed.

SilentSnow, on Friday, December 16th, 2011, 12:49 PM, said:

I don't think Brandon's move was that bad. He rationally could have counted on Coach doing the intelligent thing. However, Coach made a wildly stupid move in voting out Brandon instead of Sophie. Now he not only makes himself look like a coldblooded traitor, but he also keeps the person who would have done much better on the jury. There is simply no way Coach beats Sophie in a jury vote. He would probably have been a favorite in a vote over Brandon. I guess the good news for Sophie fans is that Ozzy is the only player left that can conceivably beat her.

x2.I realllllly don't understand how anyone could think that Brandon would win a vote. There is no way Brandon wins a vote. Sophie is clearly the more dangerous one. Coach was really exposed on this episode. Not only is he a terrible person, but he's straight out preying on stupid people that love him. It was obvious from square one that Coach was going to vote for Brandon. On the tree he wouldn't give him a clear answer and kept deflecting and finally just putting it on God, so he didn't have any responsibility. I do think it's possible that he's so diluted that he actually believes he own bullshit, but I don't like him now. I'm all-in for Ozzy.Coach was doing so well at the early stages of this game, but he has really dropped the ball. He should have taken Cochran and Brandon to the end and won 9-0.I also agree that the game is officially Sophie's to lose.

[king_tanner]

brvheart, on Saturday, December 17th, 2011, 11:25 AM, said:

agreed.x2.I realllllly don't understand how anyone could think that Brandon would win a vote. There is no way Brandon wins a vote. Sophie is clearly the more dangerous one. Coach was really exposed on this episode. Not only is he a terrible person, but he's straight out preying on stupid people that love him. It was obvious from square one that Coach was going to vote for Brandon. On the tree he wouldn't give him a clear answer and kept deflecting and finally just putting it on God, so he didn't have any responsibility. I do think it's possible that he's so diluted that he actually believes he own bullshit, but I don't like him now. I'm all-in for Ozzy.Coach was doing so well at the early stages of this game, but he has really dropped the ball. He should have taken Cochran and Brandon to the end and won 9-0.I also agree that the game is officially Sophie's to lose.

I agree that Coach ****ed up really bad. I think taking Cochran would have been risky, I think he would have got some votes. But letting Brandon go was dumb. Brandon is the Philip of last season. Boston Rob took Philip to the end and won. Coach should have taken Brandon and Rick imo.I think Coach will have a chance against Sophie, the jury deliberation will be a big deal. Sophie is smart, and Coach is a bullshitter. Juries don't like bullshitters, so I also have to give Sophie the edge.I just think none of it matters and Ozzy is winning though.

[brvheart]

I hope you're right.

[bleacherbum3]

king_tanner, on Saturday, December 17th, 2011, 4:34 PM, said:

I agree that Coach ****ed up really bad. I think taking Cochran would have been risky, I think he would have got some votes. But letting Brandon go was dumb. Brandon is the Philip of last season. Boston Rob took Philip to the end and won. Coach should have taken Brandon and Rick imo.I think Coach will have a chance against Sophie, the jury deliberation will be a big deal. Sophie is smart, and Coach is a bullshitter. Juries don't like bullshitters, so I also have to give Sophie the edge.I just think none of it matters and Ozzy is winning though.

BFT

[SAM_Hard8]

It really shows how this game can break you down, Sophie a strong woman totally loses it at tribal.

[XXEddie]

Don't want to read posts in case there are spolilers, but thus far...I loled when Ozzy punched his tower after he won. I think Sophie screwed herself by practically yelling at Albert to help her. And I think a lot of people want to take Rick and even Albert to the finals because they will be the easiest to beat in terms of votes.Edit - ha. This is ironic. I almost made a post before this episode aired that Sophie has down really well keeping her emotions in check, and that that's why I don't think a lot of younger women make it to the end because they get too emotional eventually. Herp derp, Sophie.

[XXEddie]

I was 100% sure Sophie was gone and totally fist-pumped when it was Rick.

[SAM_Hard8]

Sophie is the dragon slayer. If Coach votes for Albert he is a fool.

[SAM_Hard8]

Very happy for Sophie. Not shocked nobody voted for Albert.

[XXEddie]

Holy shit Sophie put on weight....

[XXEddie]

SAM_Hard8, on Sunday, December 18th, 2011, 9:40 PM, said:

Very happy for Sophie. Not shocked nobody voted for Albert.

I watch a low % of seasons, but in the few I have that have a final 3, as opposed to when it was just two, there always seems to be one finalist who gets 0 votes.

[brvheart]

I will never, in a hundred years, understand how Coach thought it was best to keep Sophie. He deserved to lose for that decision.

[bleacherbum3]

Pretty happy with the outcome. Sophie played a strong solid game and won some challenges along the way.No surprise that Ozzy came back from RI.What did surprise me a little was that even though Albert would've been gone if Brandon hadn't given him immunity, suddenly no one talked about voting out Albert. I guess they felt if the final immunity was physical they needed him to prevent Ozzy from winning.I guess despite all the editing through the 2nd half of the season, it really was Coach, Albert, and Sophie all along.Agreed that Coach's big blunder was voting out Rick. I don't see how Rick could've convinced anyone at final tribal to give him the money. Of course if Sophie weren't there, Ozzy might've won finial immunity and the whole game.I'll be honest, going into the final vote, I thought Coach had a slight edge. I knew Albert would be the one (there's always 1 when it's final 3) to get 0 votes, but the last few episodes seemed to show weaknesses in Sophie's social game. I thought she may have rubbed too many people the wrong way, but apparently it was just Ozzy being a sore loser at the time.

[hblask]

bleacherbum3, on Monday, December 19th, 2011, 12:43 AM, said:

Agreed that Coach's big blunder was voting out Rick. I don't see how Rick could've convinced anyone at final tribal to give him the money. Of course if Sophie weren't there, Ozzy might've won finial immunity and the whole game.

This.All the what-ifs are interesting, but really, Ozzie was right -- Sophie was the only one who could beat him. Those other guys were surprisingly bad at challenges. So if Coach takes Rick, Ozzie goes to final and gets all the votes.The same with Brandon -- all this talk about whether he should've played more like Uncle Russell. Russell could do that because he is smart and has an amazing knack of reading people. If Brandon had tried to play like that he would've have made top 10. As it is, he picked a strategy that got him fairly far along. His stupid move -- giving away the necklace -- was very very stupid, but it matched what got him that far in the first place. Without the philosophy of doing that kind of stuff he might be one of the first ones out.

[dna4ever]

Predictable ending, hate that Ozzy didn't win final immunity, hated his 'for the kids out there' speech even more. Coach should have taken Rick, taking Sophie was insane.I felt really really really bad for Brandon at reunion. Yeah, he's crazy and did not play a good game of Survivor, but he stayed true to himself and what he believed in and that says something. For his family to 'abandon' or not support him is just sad. I think Russell started to make a great point about being Uncle Russell or Survivor Russell and how one is a game character and not a representation of him in real life or the Hantz name. He did not have enough time to make his full point and came off looking like the really bad guy again.i LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE the idea of One World. wow, what a game changer that will be. Living at the same camp 'with the enemy'. Strategy will be totally different based on tighter relationships between both tribes, isolating people by not sharing food or sharing resources, etc. People will constantly be balancing that 'stay loyal to your tribe until the merge' mentality with not completely destroying their chances of alliances after the merge.

[wsox8]

Anyone know if redemption is gone next season?

[king_tanner]

I'm really happy with the outcome. It's the first time in a long time the person I wanted to win actually won.Usually I hate it when the jury comes off really bitter, but I did think that Coach needed to be held accountable for all his "honor" bs. He really did play a horrible social game the entire time after the Cochrane vote out episode.Ozzy was so annoying at the reunion show. "Nature is my god!" Shutup.I'm not going to feel sorry for Brandon unless I learn the whole story. I'm sure he has a family full of assholes, but I also think that Brandon might have burned those bridges prior to the show. I think it is time for Survivor to end their relationship with the Hantz's, I don't like seeing lame people like that get attention.

[Governator]

I lol'd when I saw the challenge for Ozzy & Brandon. They made it a little too obvious the producers wanted Ozzy back in the game. Who can hold on to a pole the longest.I thought Russell looked terrible last night by just being himself. He didn't have to hit a man when he was already down (his nephew of all people). I guess it was to be expected but his ego just poured out in the 30sec he got to talk with no sympathy for Brandon at all. Kind of shows he has no heart for others and I can imagine they had a lot of phone calls with the F word getting thrown around.some thoughts- Would've been awesome if the cheque got ripped in half the way Sophie opened the envelope.- By next season I'll forget who even won and won't recall the name Sophie- Next season sounds pretty interesting with both tribes living at camp and looking forward to no veterans coming back

[dna4ever]

Governator, on Monday, December 19th, 2011, 12:04 PM, said:

I lol'd when I saw the challenge for Ozzy & Brandon. They made it a little too obvious the producers wanted Ozzy back in the game. Who can hold on to a pole the longest.I thought Russell looked terrible last night by just being himself. He didn't have to hit a man when he was already down (his nephew of all people). I guess it was to be expected but his ego just poured out in the 30sec he got to talk with no sympathy for Brandon at all. Kind of shows he has no heart for others and I can imagine they had a lot of phone calls with the F word getting thrown around.

again, i think he prefaced it well. There are two different responses. Do you want Uncle Russell to respond or do you want Survivor Russell to respond.