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#1 shrimp4789

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 08:00 AM

Blinds are now $0.10/$0.25Button - $23.95SB - $26.71BB - $19.42 (hero)UTG - $25 (had to post as 1st hand at table)UTG +1 - $33.36MP1 - $17.43MP2 - $6MP3 - $24.30CO - $28.37Hero has :) :D UTG checks1 foldsMP1 raises to $0.902 fold2 call1 foldsHero calls $0.901 foldsFlop is :club: :D :) Hero checksMP1 bets $21 folds1 callsHero calls $2Turn is :D Hero checksMP1 bets $41 calls $4 (this is button btw)Hero calls $4River is :D Hero?....OK, so I have been putting on a tightish image, and MP1 has been constantly raising, all the time, and has shown some bad hands. I know this was a loose, and probably stupid call being OOP, but oh well. I think I should have folded preflop, if not then then def on the turn. I normally like to see a turn card if i have a nut flush draw, esp if it isnt a pot sized bet im calling. Either way, wasnt sure if i should c/r the river here, or lead right out........as played, what do you think?

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 08:04 AM

The pot's big enough. The remaining stacks are small enough. Go ahead and push here.

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 08:09 AM

View Postshrimp4789, on Friday, March 16th, 2007, 8:00 AM, said:

Blinds are now $0.10/$0.25Button - $23.95SB - $26.71BB - $19.42 (hero)UTG - $25 (had to post as 1st hand at table)UTG +1 - $33.36MP1 - $17.43MP2 - $6MP3 - $24.30CO - $28.37Hero has :) :D UTG checks1 foldsMP1 raises to $0.902 fold2 call1 foldsHero calls $0.901 foldsFlop is :club: :D :) Hero checksMP1 bets $21 folds1 callsHero calls $2Turn is :D Hero checksMP1 bets $41 calls $4 (this is button btw)Hero calls $4River is :D Hero?....OK, so I have been putting on a tightish image, and MP1 has been constantly raising, all the time, and has shown some bad hands. I know this was a loose, and probably stupid call being OOP, but oh well. I think I should have folded preflop, if not then then def on the turn. I normally like to see a turn card if i have a nut flush draw, esp if it isnt a pot sized bet im calling. Either way, wasnt sure if i should c/r the river here, or lead right out........as played, what do you think?
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 08:20 AM

View Postmtdesmoines, on Friday, March 16th, 2007, 9:09 AM, said:

Bet $9.
Even though he's only got like $12 left and the villain who's been betting the whole way has like $10?

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 08:25 AM

View PostAcid_Knight, on Friday, March 16th, 2007, 8:20 AM, said:

Even though he's only got like $12 left and the villain who's been betting the whole way has like $10?
I thought he had more like $15 left. I wanted it to look like he was making a move on a scare card.
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 10:42 AM

wouldnt that be a bit obvious I hit the flush though? you dont think c/r would be a good idea?

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 11:15 AM

View Postshrimp4789, on Friday, March 16th, 2007, 11:42 AM, said:

wouldnt that be a bit obvious I hit the flush though? you dont think c/r would be a good idea?
Think of it this way. The flush is obvious regardless. In a 3 way pot where 2 players have been calling the whole way, someone almost always has the flush here. The other player in the pot may even have a smaller flush. The player driving the betting the whole hand probably had a big Ace. Make him make a tough decision. You're not going to get a check-raise in here. Yes, your hand is fairly obvious. Since it's pretty obvious, you might as well bet since people probably already know what you have.

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 11:17 AM

View Postshrimp4789, on Friday, March 16th, 2007, 10:42 AM, said:

wouldnt that be a bit obvious I hit the flush though? you dont think c/r would be a good idea?
Are you familiar enough with the player to know he going to bet if you check to him again. If he put you on a flush/straight draw or any combo, he'll just check behind and showdown. I think it's best to just push the river here, stacks are so small and if he does actually have a decent hand 2 pair or better, he'll probably call anyways.

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 11:21 AM

hmmm ok thanks :club:

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 12:35 PM

View PostAcid_Knight, on Friday, March 16th, 2007, 11:15 AM, said:

Think of it this way. The flush is obvious regardless. In a 3 way pot where 2 players have been calling the whole way, someone almost always has the flush here. The other player in the pot may even have a smaller flush. The player driving the betting the whole hand probably had a big Ace. Make him make a tough decision. You're not going to get a check-raise in here. Yes, your hand is fairly obvious. Since it's pretty obvious, you might as well bet since people probably already know what you have.
You have control UTG. If you check and he checks, you miss an opportunity to increase value. If you bet and he calls, you increased value. If you bet and he folds, you weren't getting any more value anyway.
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Posted 16 March 2007 - 12:37 PM

View Postmtdesmoines, on Friday, March 16th, 2007, 1:35 PM, said:

You have control UTG. If you check and he checks, you miss an opportunity to increase value. If you bet and he calls, you increased value. If you bet and he folds, you weren't getting any more value anyway.
True.True.True.True.Very concise.

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 10:56 PM

View Postmtdesmoines, on Friday, March 16th, 2007, 8:09 AM, said:

Bet $9.
I think a bet of $4 dollars is better here, its hard for him to fold if MP1 has what hes representing :club:
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Posted 18 March 2007 - 10:59 PM

View Postmtdesmoines, on Friday, March 16th, 2007, 12:35 PM, said:

You have control UTG. If you check and he checks, you miss an opportunity to increase value. If you bet and he calls, you increased value. If you bet and he folds, you weren't getting any more value anyway.
Yessir. You win no 2/3 of the way, and you're going to win the pot anyway, so just bet :club:
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Posted 18 March 2007 - 11:07 PM

raiseeeeeeee flop.- Jordan




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