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#1 DanielNegreanu

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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:16 PM

1) Length of Season- Going from a 15 game season to a 25 game season should help immensely with all the tiebreaker issues we had this season. Here is what I'm thinking:3 games vs each division rival (9). Plus 1 game vs all other teams in the conference (12). Plus (4) games vs the other conference that would be determined based on previous years finish (much like the NFL gauges strenth of schedule).2) Playoff Format- A lot of you expressed concern over having to give the top seed a full game advantage in a best of five series. On one hand, I wanted to make sure that the regular season games were all very important, but on the other hand agree that a 1 game lead is a lot. So, I'm flirting with two possible changes. Either:A) Make the series best 4 out of 7 with a one game lead, orB) Keep it best 3 out of 5, but start the higher seed with 1600 in games 1, 3, and 5 while the lower seed starts with 1400. In games 2 and 4, the lower seed would start with 1600. It would be easy to do that. The road team would be forced to raise the first hand to 100, the other player would re-raise, and then the first player would then fold, essentially starting the match at 1600-1400.3) Defaults- I don't want to have to kick ANY of the teams out from season one. This league will grow stronger and stronger if we can keep all of the teams in tact. So, on that note, here is what I propose: For all teams that had defaults in season 1, they will have a chance to participate in season 2 if they deposit an extra $100 for each default into the league prize pool. If they have no defaults in season 2, they will get a FULL refund for their deposit. If they have any defaults in season 2, that money will go to a prize pool for non-playoff teams with perfect attendance. If a team defaults for two consecutive seasons, they will be kicked out of the league with no exceptions. 4) Start Times- They should start later on Sundays. I'm thinking 7:00pm EST for ALL games with no Monday night game.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:27 PM

I'd rather have it be best out of 7 with a 1 game lead so that the 25 game season actually means something. I dont think the chip lead is a big enough edge for all the work put into one season.Also, if I have AA and I'm supposed to dump 100 chips I'm not doing it. And you guys can't make me. :club:
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:31 PM

Yeah, I really don't think the 1600-1400 lead is much of an advantage at all. I'm for best of 7, 1 game lead to higher seed, but each series might have to be spread over 2 weeks.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:35 PM

View Postzimmer4141, on Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 12:31 PM, said:

Yeah, I really don't think the 1600-1400 lead is much of an advantage at all. I'm for best of 7, 1 game lead to higher seed, but each series might have to be spread over 2 weeks.
i think one week to get it done would be enough. you played 4 matches and it took 20 minutes. pickl and stags played 3 and it took 2 hours. if you set it up for 2 matches 3 nights in one week, or 3 matches in 2 nights, i think it would be fine.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:36 PM

25 games seems a bit extreme.Why not just make it a 21 game season and screw the cross conference games altogether? I don't really feel that playing the Hearts Conference teams only 4 times really adds anything and it totally screws the teams that play the tougher matches. Also, instead of a $1000 first prize maybe have $500 for best team in each conference.I don't care how the playoffs work but when I start a match I don't want to have to do any chip dumping. Makes me feel dirty somehow. If you wanna have some sort of chip lead vs. game lead then have the programmers do it...they're smart people aren't they?


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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:52 PM

I'm not sure what the answer is to this or if there even is an answer, but one of the reasons I joined was to be able to say I played heads up against Daniel Negreanu. Despite the fact that I enjoyed playing in the league, I will always be disappointed by the fact that I didn't get that opportunity. I don't feel like I wasted my money by any stretch of the imagination, but I definitely don't feel like I got the same value for my 500 that those who played DN did. I know I'm not offering anything constructive here in terms of a solution, but I'm sure I'm not the only member of my conference that feels this way.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:56 PM

View PostDanielNegreanu, on Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 4:16 PM, said:

4) Start Times- They should start later on Sundays. I'm thinking 7:00pm EST for ALL games with no Monday night game.
Of all of your changes, this is the one I like the least. 4 PM EST is tough enough if I want to play any of the big Sundays. 7 PM EST is brutal for most online players because it falls right in the middle of the big tourneys (Party Million, Stars Million, FT 200k, etc). Also, for any east coasters, 7 PM EST pretty much demolishes their night-I try to go out most Sunday nights that I bust quickly in the Stars and/or Party Million, and I could never do that if I had a 7 PM match.Just my thoughts. Oh, and I support a 1 game lead in a best of 7 series.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:59 PM

View PostBizzle, on Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 3:56 PM, said:

Of all of your changes, this is the one I like the least. 4 PM EST is tough enough if I want to play any of the big Sundays. 7 PM EST is brutal for most online players because it falls right in the middle of the big tourneys (Party Million, Stars Million, FT 200k, etc). Also, for any east coasters, 7 PM EST pretty much demolishes their night-I try to go out most Sunday nights that I bust quickly in the Stars and/or Party Million, and I could never do that if I had a 7 PM match.Just my thoughts. Oh, and I support a 1 game lead in a best of 7 series.
I agree with this. If anything I wish the games started earlier. I have to waste most of my sunday morning waiting until the game starts (I'm CST so I was playing at noon), and then most of the day is already gone. I'd much rather have it start early so that it doesn't feel like a waste of half a weekend day.

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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:59 PM

View PostNaismith, on Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 12:52 PM, said:

I'm not sure what the answer is to this or if there even is an answer, but one of the reasons I joined was to be able to say I played heads up against Daniel Negreanu. Despite the fact that I enjoyed playing in the league, I will always be disappointed by the fact that I didn't get that opportunity. I don't feel like I wasted my money by any stretch of the imagination, but I definitely don't feel like I got the same value for my 500 that those who played DN did. I know I'm not offering anything constructive here in terms of a solution, but I'm sure I'm not the only member of my conference that feels this way.
Actually...I think I mentioned the EXACT same thing before. I was looking forward to playing Daniel too. But what am I gonna do?Unless we do a full round robin it just won't happen.But you make a valid point Naismith...since we don't get the same value shouldn't the Spades conference teams get a discount? :club:


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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:59 PM

View PostBizzle, on Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 12:56 PM, said:

Of all of your changes, this is the one I like the least. 4 PM EST is tough enough if I want to play any of the big Sundays. 7 PM EST is brutal for most online players because it falls right in the middle of the big tourneys (Party Million, Stars Million, FT 200k, etc). Also, for any east coasters, 7 PM EST pretty much demolishes their night-I try to go out most Sunday nights that I bust quickly in the Stars and/or Party Million, and I could never do that if I had a 7 PM match.Just my thoughts. Oh, and I support a 1 game lead in a best of 7 series.
How about just scheduling the games for the weekend and letting the teams set the day and time (Sat or Sun) with a Wednesday deadline of posting when they'll play?
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 01:01 PM

View PostNaismith, on Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 3:59 PM, said:

How about just scheduling the games for the weekend and letting the teams set the day and time (Sat or Sun) with a Wednesday deadline of posting when they'll play?
I kind of like that there are default days and times - makes the planning easier. Plus I enjoy being able to watch a bunch of the other games, which would be a lot harder if everyone was playing at different times.

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Posted 06 August 2006 - 01:02 PM

View PostNaismith, on Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 12:59 PM, said:

How about just scheduling the games for the weekend and letting the teams set the day and time (Sat or Sun) with a Wednesday deadline of posting when they'll play?
You're exactly on the same wave-length as me today dude.It doesn't matter the scheduled time...everyone just changes it anyhow.I tried to watch Zim and Checky play on Sunday AND Monday for scouting and those two bums kept changing the matches.Time changing is not good for the fans but I suppose it's a reality of the league.


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Posted 06 August 2006 - 01:02 PM

I don't really care for the inter-conference play personally. With so few games, your draw of teams in interconference play can make a huge impact.I like Fleung's schedule of 3 games against Division rivals, one game against all other teams in your conference for a 21 game schedule. Head to head tiebreakers would run much easier because everyone plays everyone else. Division tiebreakers would run much better because each team in division will win the season series rather than having most season series be tied 1-1.All division tiebreakers should be able to be settled by Head to head, and all tiebreakers for seeding should be record against the 8 teams not in the divisions of the 2 teams that are tied.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 01:02 PM

View PostDanielNegreanu, on Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 4:16 PM, said:

3 games vs each division rival (9). Plus 1 game vs all other teams in the conference (12). Plus (4) games vs the other conference that would be determined based on previous years finish (much like the NFL gauges strenth of schedule).
I should mention-the NFL does not schedule cross conference games based on strength of schedule. The NFL schedules cross conference games by pairing up divisions, and every team in one division plays every team in another division in the other conference, and then they rotate through in 4 year cycles.The NFL does schedule interconference games based on divisional finish the previous year.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 01:07 PM

i like most of DNs ideasi think 1 game in best of 7 is best for playoffs.start times i don't think is an issue because Darrell has allowed us to change our times around anyways and everybody ive encountered has been willing to help if time is a problem.I'm all for making schedule longer, but I think maybe we should play twice a week if we do. Maybe Sunday and a weekday or two games each Sunday. I like the setup now where we could have three champions each year. Also, would become a real drag to play ten more weeks if you start out 5-10.michael
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 01:08 PM

View Postzimmer4141, on Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 1:02 PM, said:

I don't really care for the inter-conference play personally. With so few games, your draw of teams in interconference play can make a huge impact.I like Fleung's schedule of 3 games against Division rivals, one game against all other teams in your conference for a 21 game schedule. Head to head tiebreakers would run much easier because everyone plays everyone else. Division tiebreakers would run much better because each team in division will win the season series rather than having most season series be tied 1-1.All division tiebreakers should be able to be settled by Head to head, and all tiebreakers for seeding should be record against the 8 teams not in the divisions of the 2 teams that are tied.
i think this would work well too, make it more like MLB should do their schedule. making all the tiebreakers the same for everyone seems like a good idea too.i disagree with making it a varying time period to play matches. As im sure sleuthis will say, if you say "play by wednesday" it becomes very difficult to pin who a forfeit is on, and it becomes lots of finger pointing and playing the blame game, which no one wins. scheduled times are a must. i think 4 pm EST would work well, maybe 3pm/noon for west coast.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 01:10 PM

View PostTheraflu, on Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 5:08 PM, said:

i think 4 pm EST would work well, maybe 3pm/noon for west coast.
3 PM EST is 1000 times better than 4 PM EST which is 10000000000000000000 times better than 7 PM EST.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 01:46 PM

Im just happy I may get to stay in the league, even if I have to lay down a $200 deposit.Set all of the games to be played at 3pm EST on Sunday. Players will have all week to discuss what would be better for them. People will know the schedule WAY ahead of time, so you should be able to figure something out to play the match.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 02:02 PM

The regular season has to mean something significant - I still like the 1-0 lead but make it best of seven. Five games gives too much of an edge to the home team.I hate the 7:00 EST start time on Sundays - that conflicts with all the major Sunday tourneys on all the sites. Saturday would actually be better from my viewpoint.
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 02:38 PM

I am all for the changes DN suggested, the $100 deposit should be a good idea, makes forfeits a bigger deal.As far as getting a chance to play DN, be careful what you wish for, you may get it. He's still got game even with the golf, dog, TV apperances, release of computer game, food eating contest etc.And we need to give Sluethis a raise.




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