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[brvheart]

DJ Vu, on 24 July 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

FWIW: Begins is underrated and Dark Knight is overrated.

100% correct.

[brvheart]

For DJ and frautotenkinder mainly, but also SA, Thera, BigD and anyone else who likes film.http://www.flavorwir...faith-in-cinema

[BigDMcGee]

DJ Vu, on 24 July 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

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I loved the fights between him and Batman. Just really great. And all the action sequences really were great. Big improvements from the first two movies.The biggest surprise to me was Catwoman. I was really meh about her being in the movie, but Nolan and Hathaway made her into a great character. And hot. Super hot.Specific movie thoughts: I would've preferred Batman had died. I don't dislike the way the movie ended, but I think it would've been more powerful that way.I didn't see the Robin thing coming. I just thought he was going to be the new Batman. Maybe that would've been too Dread Pirate Roberts.I thought the movie was going to end on Alfred's smirk, but looking back I guess there were too many clues to have a truly ambiguous ending, so might as well give us real closure.

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I agree completely about catwoman and the action sequences. DOn't know why this part is in spoilers, though. About batman dying.. I kind had been hoping for it too, but I heard an argument that one critic made, that the series had been SO dark through the entire run, that having a little light at the end of the movie seemed well balanced, and I tend to agree. Though I think your smirk idea is interesting. If you just showed Alfred there, sitting down, looking glum.. and then, looking up, and his face changes, and he lights up into a smile.. never actually showing Bruce, I think that would have been nice. I think "Robin" is supposed to become the new batman. I don't think he broke into the cave to put on a red vest and wear tights. I think the Robin thing was just a wink to the fans.

[DJ Vu]

BigDMcGee, on 24 July 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

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I agree completely about catwoman and the action sequences. DOn't know why this part is in spoilers, though. About batman dying.. I kind had been hoping for it too, but I heard an argument that one critic made, that the series had been SO dark through the entire run, that having a little light at the end of the movie seemed well balanced, and I tend to agree. Though I think your smirk idea is interesting. If you just showed Alfred there, sitting down, looking glum.. and then, looking up, and his face changes, and he lights up into a smile.. never actually showing Bruce, I think that would have been nice. I think "Robin" is supposed to become the new batman. I don't think he broke into the cave to put on a red vest and wear tights. I think the Robin thing was just a wink to the fans.

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I'm not sure why it's spoilered either, yet here we are.Yeah, I heard that argument too and it's why I didn't have a problem with the ending. I mean, I think it works as the conclusion to the trilogy. I just think having him die would've set this movie apart from basically every other superhero movie.

[ShakeZuma]

ok I'm halfway through that video and I recognized apocolypse now and I think no country. should I be able to recognize more? I feel stupid.

[brvheart]

ShakeZuma, on 24 July 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

ok I'm halfway through that video and I recognized apocolypse now and I think no country. should I be able to recognize more? I feel stupid.

Films (in order of appearance, with cinematographer in parenthesis):Man with a Movie Camera (Mikhail Kaufman),The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (Roger Deakins),Baraka (Ron Fricke),Koyaanisqatsi (Ron Fricke),Days of Heaven (Nestor Almendros),Akira Kurosawa’s Dreams (Takao Saito, Shoji Ueda),What Dreams May Come (Eduardo Serra),Legends of the Fall (John Toll),Lawrence of Arabia (Freddie Young),El Topo (Rafael Corkidi),La Dolce Vita (Otello Martelli),The Tree of Life (Emmanuel Lubezki),Daughters of the Dust (Arthur Jafa),Chinatown (John A. Alonzo),Hero (Christopher Doyle),Kagemusha (Takao Saito, Shoji Ueda),The Night of the Hunter (Stanley Cortez),Ugetsu (Kazuo Miyagawa),Songs from the Second Floor (Istvan Borbas, Jesper Klevenas, Robert Komarek),The Black Stallion (Caleb Deschanel),Vertigo (Robert Burks),Manhattan (Gordon Willis),Apocalypse Now (Vittorio Storaro),Lovers of the Arctic Circle (Gonzalo F. Berridi),The Duellists (Frank Tidy),Powaqqatsi(Graham Berry, Leonidas Zourdoumis),Ran (Asakazu Nakai, Takao Saito, Shoji Ueda),Bombay Beach (Alma Har’el),2001: A Space Odyssey(Geoffrey Unsworth),The Thin Red Line (John Toll),Cave of Forgotten Dreams (Peter Zeitlinger),The New World (Emmanuel Lubezki),Solaris (Vadim Yusov),The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (Janusz Kaminksi),I Am Love (Yorick Le Saux),A Matter of Life and Death (Jack Cardiff),Onibaba (Kiyomi Kuroda),Blue Velvet (Frederick Elmes),No Country for Old Men (Roger Deakins),I Am Cuba (Sergei Urusevsky),The Fountain (Matthew Libatique),There Will be Blood (Robert Elswitt),The Human Condition (Yoshio Miyajima),The Proposition (Benoit Delhomme),Raise the Red Lantern (Lun Yang, Fei Zhao),The Godfather Part II (Gordon Willis),2046 (Christopher Doyle, Pung-Leung Kwan),Beauty and the Beast (Henri Alekan),Melancholia, (Manuel Alberto Claro),Road to Perdition (Conrad L. Hall),Alexander Nevsky (Eduard Tisse),Sunrise (Charles Rosher, Karl Struss),Blade Runner (Jordan Cronenweth),Citizen Kane (Gregg Toland),House of Flying Daggers (Xiaoding Zhao),Wings of Desire (Henri Alekan),Atonement (Seamus McGarvey),The Last Emperor (Vittorio Storaro),Before Night Falls (Xavier Perez Grobet, Guillermo Rosas),The Last Picture Show (Robert Surtees),The Red Shoes (Jack Cardiff),Down by Law (Robby Müller),Amelie (Bruno Delbonnel),Chungking Express (Christopher Doyle, Wai-keung Lau),Children of Men (Emmanuel Lubezki),Black Orpheus (Jean Bourgoin),The Leopard (Giuseppe Rotunno),The Age of Innocence (Michael Ballhaus),Perfume: The Story of a Murderer (Frank Griebe),Raging Bull (Michael Chapman),The Fall (Colin Watkinson),The Pillow Book (Sacha Vierny),Martha Marcy May Marlene (Jody Lee Lipes),Nosferatu the Vampyre (Jorg Schmidt-Reitwein),The Third Man (Robert Krasker),Good Night and Good Luck (Robert Elswitt),The Scarlet Empress (Bert Glennon),The Man Who Wasn’t There (Roger Deakins),Talk to Her (Javier Aguirresarobe),In The Mood for Love (Christopher Doyle, Pung-Leung Kwan, Ping Bin Lee),The Man Who Cried (Sacha Vierny),Santa Sangre (Daniele Nannuzzi),The Passion of Joan of Arc (Rudolph Maté),In Cold Blood (Conrad L. Hall),8 ½ (Gianni Di Venanzo),Brazil (Roger Pratt).http://www.flavorwire.com/310079/video-essay-135-shots-that-will-restore-your-faith-in-cinema

[GWCGWC]

I thought Brv was listing all the films HE recognized and was going all savant by including the cinematographers.Then I clicked the link. That mash-up was meh anyway.

[DJ Vu]

I liked it. I don't think it would've restored my faith in cinema had I previously lost it.

[BigDMcGee]

It did restore my faith in brv's posting ability.

[brvheart]

****ing dark knight rises.Disappointing, just like I feared.

[DJ Vu]

brvheart, on 26 July 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

****ing dark knight rises.Disappointing, just like I feared.

Feel free to expound.This movie has actually grown in my estimation the more I listen to smart people talk about it.

[Mercury69]

Then Brv is the wrong person to ask

[BigDMcGee]

brvheart, on 26 July 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

****ing dark knight rises.Disappointing, just like I feared.

And my lack of faith is restored.

[brvheart]

BigDMcGee, on 27 July 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

And my lack of faith is restored.

Whatever, BigD, you know you love me.JJJ, I'll write something up for you.

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Mainly, as I've stated numerous times, the non-realism of the movie really ruined it for me. Specifically "The Bat", and how apparently 50 guys could easily hold a city of 17 million people hostage for 4 months, with absolutely no response from the federal government.That being said, I liked how it ended. It was pretty great AND pretty weird that they set up "Robin" as the next "Batman". (Nolan is done making these, correct? Will Joseph G. Levitt start up a new trilogy?) I mean, at the end he's in the lair, and the platform is rising...then: The Dark Knight Rises. I think it's an important connecting point for the entire series, that ties it together nicely. "Batman" isn't a person, but an idea.For me, Batman Begins is clearly the best overall movie, followed closely by The Dark Knight. However, Heath Ledgers performance alone, basically makes them tied. I still like Begins as an overall movie, much better. Then Rises is ranked far below that.

[DJ Vu]

Spoiler dude. And then we'll talk.

[DJ Vu]

There you go.

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The government didn't do nothing; they sent in special forces undercover. And then they got killed. Do you think they should've just attacked the city and let them blow up a nuclear bomb? They blew up all but one bridge so there was only one way out and the army basically secured that bridge. I'm also pretty sure it was more than 50 guys. Yes, JGL will be the next Batman in Christopher Nolan's Batman world because, like you said, it ties together nicely. Nolan isn't doing anymore Batman movies though, so it's just a question of whether the studio wants to hand that world over to another director or if they just want to start over fresh with somebody new.

[brvheart]

DJ Vu, on 27 July 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

There you go.

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The government didn't do nothing; they sent in special forces undercover. And then they got killed. Do you think they should've just attacked the city and let them blow up a nuclear bomb? They blew up all but one bridge so there was only one way out and the army basically secured that bridge. I'm also pretty sure it was more than 50 guys.Yes, JGL will be the next Batman in Christopher Nolan's Batman world because, like you said, it ties together nicely. Nolan isn't doing anymore Batman movies though, so it's just a question of whether the studio wants to hand that world over to another director or if they just want to start over fresh with somebody new.

I have a great idea on who could be the next director. Not McG.

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Also, your reaching dude. Realllly reaching. There is aboslutely 0.0000% chance that they wouldn't attack. For instance, they could bomb the truck with a plane. Some radiation might leak, but it's my understanding that in that situation it wouldn't detonate. Also, they could have just shot Bane or the lady, instead of continually trying to beat him in a fist fight. That might work.

[DJ Vu]

brvheart, on 27 July 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

I have a great idea on who could be the next director. Not McG.

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Also, your reaching dude. Realllly reaching. There is aboslutely 0.0000% chance that they wouldn't attack. For instance, they could bomb the truck with a plane. Some radiation might leak, but it's my understanding that in that situation it wouldn't detonate. Also, they could have just shot Bane or the lady, instead of continually trying to beat him in a fist fight. That might work.

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They didn't know which truck had the bomb, so you risk bombing the wrong truck and then they nuke. Most of the work that JGL and his crew were doing was trying to mark where the bomb was.Nobody knew who had the detonator.Oh, and Batman doesn't believe in guns.

[brvheart]

DJ Vu, on 27 July 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

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They didn't know which truck had the bomb, so you risk bombing the wrong truck and then they nuke. Most of the work that JGL and his crew were doing was trying to mark where the bomb was.Nobody knew who had the detonator.Oh, and Batman doesn't believe in guns.

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Bomb all three at night at the same time1?!?!?

Also, eyeroll that last sentence.

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Every vehicle he drives shoots 100mm rounds. Also... use his rope shooter that he used in Begins and Dark Knight? Is that too much to ask?

[JubilantLankyLad]

brvheart, on 27 July 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Whatever, BigD, you know you love me.JJJ, I'll write something up for you.

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Mainly, as I've stated numerous times, the non-realism of the movie really ruined it for me. Specifically "The Bat", and how apparently 50 guys could easily hold a city of 17 million people hostage for 4 months, with absolutely no response from the federal government.That being said, I liked how it ended. It was pretty great AND pretty weird that they set up "Robin" as the next "Batman". (Nolan is done making these, correct? Will Joseph G. Levitt start up a new trilogy?) I mean, at the end he's in the lair, and the platform is rising...then: The Dark Knight Rises. I think it's an important connecting point for the entire series, that ties it together nicely. "Batman" isn't a person, but an idea.For me, Batman Begins is clearly the best overall movie, followed closely by The Dark Knight. However, Heath Ledgers performance alone, basically makes them tied. I still like Begins as an overall movie, much better. Then Rises is ranked far below that.

too drunk to go back and check but i think the leafs may win the cup; i agree with brv about a movie. TDKR was ok but disappointing, BB was better in sum that TDK, but Heath Ledger (and the final voiceover by Gary Oldman, which is sublime) makes the parts of TDK better than BB, so it's kinda a wash.