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[Yoda]

If I show you my stats can some people break it down and give their opinion on it? I only recently started using PT3 so the sample isn't large - Is 3500 hands enough of a sample to be meaningful? Well I will just put them here - and if you think it isn't enough hands to be meaningful, feel free to say so. I believe this is pretty typical of how I play - maybe I raise a little more with some drinks in me. But I am typically a little more passive than some may say is ideal pre flop. But I am picky with table selection and like to be seated with 40/30 donks who will do the betting/bluffing for you. I won't post my chart/results unless requested or at least until after dissection (if it will help). Are these numbers within a good enough range? Any monster leaks?(All hands are from 1/2NL 6max)VP$IP - 23.84PRF - 8.58W$WSF - 38.88WTSD - 24.75W$SD - 62.12AF - 1.81AFq - 38.833bet 2.55 Fold 3B - 73.44Att to Steal 21.46Fold BB to Steal 67.65Fold SB to Steal 82.09

[simo_8ball]

VP$IP - 23.84PRF - 8.58These have to be closer. I don't care how much you table select, you need to stop calling so much.W$WSF - 38.88 This is a little low, but it's mostly a reaction to your passivity preflop.W$SD - 62.12 This is extraordinarily high, and probably due to smallish sample size. If this is natural, you are almost certainly folding too many winners. AF - 1.81 Too low. Again, this is a response to your passivity preflop.AFq - 38.83 I need to read up on AFq. Not something I've really used before.3bet 2.55 Too low. Again, stop being so passive preflop. Start 3betting more. If a LAG opens from the CO, 3bet him with 89s and with 33 and with AJs and other hands too.Fold 3B - 73.44 Given how little you raise, I think this is somewhat high. You're only calling 3bets with monster hands, and you can call more often than that.Att to Steal 21.46 Too low. This should be above 30%. You need to start playing more pots in position.Fold BB to Steal 67.65 Too low. Stop defending so much. Calling raises OOP is -EV. If someone in mid position raises, don't feel like you have to call with 22-55 or QTs. I play 34/25 overall and I'm only down at 76%. Most people should be around 80%.Fold SB to Steal 82.09 I'd say this should be a couple of points higher.Basically, stop calling so much. If you can get preflop up to 20/15 or something you'll see a huge improvement, and a lot of hands will become a lot easier to play.

[bdc30]

simo you should just put all that stuff in your sig. I think I've heard you give that same advice to some donk before ;)oh, and

Yoda, on Tuesday, July 29th, 2008, 3:25 PM, said:

Is 3500 hands enough of a sample to be meaningful?

no, but it can give some general ideas of your overall style, which simo has pointed out

[Yoda]

simo_8ball, on Tuesday, July 29th, 2008, 3:56 PM, said:

VP$IP - 23.84PRF - 8.58These have to be closer. I don't care how much you table select, you need to stop calling so much.W$WSF - 38.88 This is a little low, but it's mostly a reaction to your passivity preflop.W$SD - 62.12 This is extraordinarily high, and probably due to smallish sample size. If this is natural, you are almost certainly folding too many winners. AF - 1.81 Too low. Again, this is a response to your passivity preflop.AFq - 38.83 I need to read up on AFq. Not something I've really used before.3bet 2.55 Too low. Again, stop being so passive preflop. Start 3betting more. If a LAG opens from the CO, 3bet him with 89s and with 33 and with AJs and other hands too.Fold 3B - 73.44 Given how little you raise, I think this is somewhat high. You're only calling 3bets with monster hands, and you can call more often than that.Att to Steal 21.46 Too low. This should be above 30%. You need to start playing more pots in position.Fold BB to Steal 67.65 Too low. Stop defending so much. Calling raises OOP is -EV. If someone in mid position raises, don't feel like you have to call with 22-55 or QTs. I play 34/25 overall and I'm only down at 76%. Most people should be around 80%.Fold SB to Steal 82.09 I'd say this should be a couple of points higher.Basically, stop calling so much. If you can get preflop up to 20/15 or something you'll see a huge improvement, and a lot of hands will become a lot easier to play.

tyvm - I kind of expected that to be the response I got. Do you/does anyone thing it is okay to play that passive though? Or is it downright not optimal and hurting performance in the long run. I don't want to get into results yet, I will stay more general. But I can say that I feel more comfortable with this level passiveness - and, I often don't like the situations I get myself in to when I raise more often and therefor C-bet more often, and then start getting called/raised more when i'm often weaker/missed. At higher stakes I am confident I would need to be significantly more tricky/aggressive, however I think 1/2NL plays pretty standard and a lot of people are paying very little attention to how I am playing. (And I usually know the ones that are def paying attention cause they play 50 hours a week at those tables).If one were to increase pre flop aggression would you suggest they need to also be more aggressive post flop, or tread a little more carefully? It is always difficult to make an adjustment in poker because the change does not exist in a vacuum, it affects your image and a lot of other things. So if I do start to change things up I want to be aware of what else it is going to affect and head that off early.

[simo_8ball]

Yoda, on Tuesday, July 29th, 2008, 9:39 PM, said:

Do you/does anyone thing it is okay to play that passive though? Or is it downright not optimal and hurting performance in the long run.

I know profitable players who are 20/13, others who play 25/18, 30/20, 35/28, 12/8, anything in between. I don't know anyone who makes money playing 24/8.That's not to say it isn't possible, but it's certainly not common.

[Yoda]

simo_8ball, on Tuesday, July 29th, 2008, 4:59 PM, said:

I know profitable players who are 20/13, others who play 25/18, 30/20, 35/28, 12/8, anything in between. I don't know anyone who makes money playing 24/8.That's not to say it isn't possible, but it's certainly not common.

Interesting..I wish I had the hundreds of thousands of hands over the last few years and could see what my stats are overall. But I can tell you I am def a winning player AINEC But I am quite aware my PFR is passive - and I am trying to figure it all out.

[gobears]

I only play full ring at mainly 200 nlhe and I'm at 22/14/2 over 110K+ hands and I consider myself a bit too passive so 24/8/1.8 at 6max does seem passive to me.Once thing I've done in the past when I feel myself getting too passive preflop is to only raise/fold unless it's like a 9/8 guy who is opening and I have a mid/low PP at which point I'll just call in position.

[Yoda]

gobears, on Tuesday, July 29th, 2008, 5:20 PM, said:

I only play full ring at mainly 200 nlhe and I'm at 22/14/2 over 110K+ hands and I consider myself a bit too passive so 24/8/1.8 at 6max does seem passive to me.Once thing I've done in the past when I feel myself getting too passive preflop is to only raise/fold unless it's like a 9/8 guy who is opening and I have a mid/low PP at which point I'll just call in position.

meh, one half of me says "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and the other half is saying "it's got a crack it's got a crack!". I guess I will have to experiment a little. I am clearly more passive than most. Although it doesn't feel that way when i'm playing.

[Nashtak]

What are all these numbers and stats? Can i have a link? I think this could help me soon or later.

[simo_8ball]

Nashtak, on Saturday, August 2nd, 2008, 1:50 AM, said:

What are all these numbers and stats? Can i have a link? I think this could help me soon or later.

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