Dam River

[tj9422- 0]

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Preflop: Hero is CO with A , A . 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (8.40 SB) J , 9 , Q (3 players)MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.Turn: (7.20 BB) 7 (3 players)MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.River: (9.20 BB) Q (2 players)Hero ?After reading SSHE I would think we should slow down and check call.

[KoRnholio 2]

Definitely check-call. He donk bet into us on the flop, which is often a Q. If we check-call we might even collect a bet on busted flush/straight draws.

[Poohdabear 0]

we have position so check/call is not really an option.I think we should bet for value here if it gets checked to us and call if MP3 bet.

[Zach6668 513]

we have position so check/call is not really an option.I think we should bet for value here if it gets checked to us and call if MP3 bet.

loooooooooool... this little tidbit makes this hand soooooooooo easy.If he donks, we make a crying call.If he checks, we make a standard value bet, and puke a little if he raises, and again, make a crying call.Position is a beautiful thing, my LHE friends.

[dingas 0]

In Canada, we dam many rivers...Not to mention all the beavers...

[TRB05 1]

get lake

[Actuary 3]

loooooooooool... this little tidbit makes this hand soooooooooo easy.If he donks, we make a crying call.If he checks, we make a standard value bet, and puke a little if he raises, and again, make a crying call.Position is a beautiful thing, my LHE friends.

What do we beat that c/r ?Can't we b/f ?Or just check behind, figuring not enough worse hands call to make up for the b/c.

[Zach6668 513]

Meh, it's never a check behind. I can get the idea of a bet/fold, but I just think we're giving up too much, as in it's a misclick/retarded bluff raise, zomg tp paired, A9 must be good type c/r often enough. I doubt we get c/r'ed here very often though, fwiw.I think his most likely hand is a J or a 9, or a missed draw (some of which he might call with), or the odd Q hand, although I expect a Q to donk some majority of the time.

[Actuary 3]

b/f > c > b/c ?I have trouble putting him on a bluff that much.,

[Zach6668 513]

meh, i'd rather bet/call than check behind.

[bobbywithani 0]

b/f > c > b/c ?I have trouble putting him on a bluff that much.,

I think you are forgetting the times that he doesn't view a raise with a weaker hand as a bluff. Maybe I don't give opponents enough credit.

[Actuary 3]

I think you are forgetting the times that he doesn't view a raise with a weaker hand as a bluff. Maybe I don't give opponents enough credit.

But given our preflop and flop play, if he has Jx would he think we call a c/r with a worse hand?I mean, we may have a missed AK but why would he not lead there.Is he expecting us to call with our AK? I guess we could have TT; but he can't expect TT or AK to bet this river.Nah, I'm not convinced.

[bobbywithani 0]

But given our preflop and flop play, if he has Jx would he think we call a c/r with a worse hand?I mean, we may have a missed AK but why would he not lead there.Is he expecting us to call with our AK? I guess we could have TT; but he can't expect TT or AK to bet this river.Nah, I'm not convinced.

Obviously true of a thinking player, which is why reads can be impotant. Do we want to give credit to an unknown at .25-.50 for being the type that will think of anything else but his own two cards?

[Actuary 3]

Obviously true of a thinking player, which is why reads can be impotant. Do we want to give credit to an unknown at .25-.50 for being the type that will think of anything else but his own two cards?

actually, I think a c.r would be thinking, because when we bet, we have an over pair a good deal of the time...and he only needs us to fold occasionaly

[RISEorFall 0]

Obviously true of a thinking player, which is why reads can be impotant. Do we want to give credit to an unknown at .25-.50 for being the type that will think of anything else but his own two cards?

why do levels matter?someone at .25/.50 cant be building a bankroll?had some tough times and starting from scratch?I b/c this and dont think twice. i see plenty of players donking or c/r bluffing these types of rivers a lot.

[Actuary 3]

I b/c this and dont think twice. i see plenty of players donking or c/r bluffing these types of rivers a lot.

that's why I like to c/r good hands on the river.No one b/f's in poswell, if I played

[bobbywithani 0]

why do levels matter?someone at .25/.50 cant be building a bankroll?had some tough times and starting from scratch?I b/c this and dont think twice. i see plenty of players donking or c/r bluffing these types of rivers a lot.

Well I am in favor of b/c as well. The only reason I bring up levels is that sans reads it is one way to help us determine how well a player plays. Of course it is not universal. I was mainly responding to actuarys claim that a b/f on the river is good because there is no way that an opponent would be bluffing enough to make it profitable, which I don't think is true. I do however believe a bad player could c/r river with something like AJ thinking he is good now. That may be a stretch.If we are dealing with a thinking player I think a bluff c/r is much more likely if they are able to view us as a person who will b/f AA on a scary river.

[RISEorFall 0]

No one b/f's in pos

not usually. with as many people as I see trying to bluff rivers in all kinds of crazy ways, it'd be -EV to do it muchthe other night I saw a guy c/r bluff the river after one player bet and another called