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[Flushgarden]

SuitedAces21, on Friday, February 15th, 2008, 9:03 PM, said:

Keep grasping at straws, cheaterfan.YEAH THATS ALL I GOT.

What is a "cheaterfan" and what makes me one?

[SuperJon]

Flushgarden, on Saturday, February 16th, 2008, 11:15 PM, said:

What is a "cheaterfan" and what makes me one?

The Patriots broke the rules. They cheated. You are a fan of the Patriots. Thus making you, a cheaterfan.

[Flushgarden]

SuperJon, on Saturday, February 16th, 2008, 10:14 PM, said:

The Patriots broke the rules. They cheated. You are a fan of the Patriots. Thus making you, a cheaterfan.

Lets be reasonable and logical, ok?I was born a Patriots fan. Am I supposed to renounce the team that I lived for when I was 9 years old because they're very diligent in their scouting, the same as they're diligent in everything else, which is why they're a winning team?I believe Belichick when he said that he did not know he was breaking any rules, but yes, a rule was broken. With that said, the venom being sent at the Pats and Belichick is insane and disproportional to the alleged infraction. Yes, they openly filmed signals on the sideline. Yes they were caught. They then won the next 17 games without this "valuable tool". Seems to me that the significance of filming was at best minuscule but that is not how it gets portrayed.And besides, teams are allowed to videotape, just not in the location the Patriots were doing it from. It's the equivalent of jaywalking. You can cross the street...just not there.So I say again, should I renounce the team that I have loved my entire life? Would you if it were your team?

[JoeyJoJo]

lol

[Hawkeye]

Flushgarden, on Sunday, February 17th, 2008, 10:24 AM, said:

Lets be reasonable and logical, ok?

JoeyJoJo, on Sunday, February 17th, 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

lol

[SuperJon]

Flushgarden, on Sunday, February 17th, 2008, 1:24 PM, said:

Lets be reasonable and logical, ok?

Pretty sure I was.

[Flushgarden]

SuperJon, on Sunday, February 17th, 2008, 12:02 PM, said:

Pretty sure I was.

Answer my questions.

[SuperJon]

Flushgarden, on Sunday, February 17th, 2008, 8:53 PM, said:

Answer my questions.

No you shouldn't renounce your team, but you wanted to know why suited was calling you a cheaterfan, and I gave you a LOGICAL answer. You are a fan of the Patriots, and the Patriots cheated (whether or not they knew they were cheating holds no relevance). Because you are a fan of a team that cheated, LOGICALLY, this makes you a cheater fan.

[Flushgarden]

Belichick denies taping St. Louis' walkthrough before Super Bowl, apologizes for controversy February 18, 2008 BOSTON (AP) -- Patriots coach Bill Belichick broke his silence on New England's twin taping controversies, denying he told anyone to tape the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough before the 2002 Super Bowl and apologizing for all the attention generated by Spygate. Belichick also told the Boston Globe he "couldn't pick Matt Walsh out of a lineup." Walsh, a former Patriots employee, reportedly taped St. Louis' walkthrough practice the day before the Patriots beat the Rams 20-17 in the championship. "In my entire coaching career, I've never seen another team's practice film prior to playing that team," Belichick said in a story posted on the Globe's Web site Sunday night. "I have never authorized, or heard of, or even seen in any way, shape, or form any other team's walkthrough. We don't even film our own." Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli also told the newspaper that part of the reason Walsh was fired in January 2003 was because he secretly recorded conversations between himself and Pioli. Michael Levy, Walsh's attorney, said Pioli's account was a "complete fabrication." "This is a predictable and pathetic effort to smear Mr. Walsh's character rather than confront the truth about the Patriots' conduct," Levy said in the Globe story. Levy has said his client is willing to turn over videotapes he made for the team if the NFL guarantees Walsh protection from lawsuits or other legal action. Commissioner Roger Goodell has said he offered Walsh a deal requiring him "to tell the truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for indemnity, but Levy has said the deal doesn't go far enough. Goodell fined Belichick $500,000, the Patriots $250,000 and took away a first-round draft choice after the Patriots were caught taping New York Jets' coaches in last year's season opener, a 38-14 New England victory. Belichick said he misinterpreted the rule, which he felt only prohibited taping that could be used during the same game. He also apologized for the controversy the taping caused. "I respect the integrity of the game and always have and always will," he said in the Globe story. "I regret that any of this, or to whatever extent, it has in any way brought that into question or discussion or debate. The decision was made by the commissioner, the practice was immediately stopped, and we're not doing it. "Just going back over the whole taping incident, if I contacted the league and asked them about the practice, I'm sure they would have told me -- as they have done -- that it is not permissible. Then I could have avoided all of this. "I take responsibility for it," he said. "Even though I felt there was a gray area in the rule and I misinterpreted the rule, that was my mistake and we've been penalized for it. I apologize to everybody that is involved -- the league, the other teams, the fans, our team, for the amount of conversation and dialogue that it's caused." The day before the Patriots' 17-14 loss to the New York Giants in this year's Super Bowl, the Boston Herald reported New England taped St. Louis' walkthrough before the first of the Patriots' three Super Bowl victories. In a walkthrough, teams practice plays at a slower pace than normal without pads or helmets. Patriots spokesman Stacey James did not return phone calls or an e-mail seeking comment Sunday night.

Updated on Monday, Feb 18, 2008 12:48 am, EST

[SBriand]

Flushgarden, on Monday, February 18th, 2008, 1:46 PM, said:

Belichick denies taping St. Louis' walkthrough before Super Bowl, apologizes for controversy February 18, 2008 BOSTON (AP) -- Patriots coach Bill Belichick broke his silence on New England's twin taping controversies, denying he told anyone to tape the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough before the 2002 Super Bowl and apologizing for all the attention generated by Spygate. Belichick also told the Boston Globe he "couldn't pick Matt Walsh out of a lineup." Walsh, a former Patriots employee, reportedly taped St. Louis' walkthrough practice the day before the Patriots beat the Rams 20-17 in the championship. "In my entire coaching career, I've never seen another team's practice film prior to playing that team," Belichick said in a story posted on the Globe's Web site Sunday night. "I have never authorized, or heard of, or even seen in any way, shape, or form any other team's walkthrough. We don't even film our own." Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli also told the newspaper that part of the reason Walsh was fired in January 2003 was because he secretly recorded conversations between himself and Pioli. Michael Levy, Walsh's attorney, said Pioli's account was a "complete fabrication." "This is a predictable and pathetic effort to smear Mr. Walsh's character rather than confront the truth about the Patriots' conduct," Levy said in the Globe story. Levy has said his client is willing to turn over videotapes he made for the team if the NFL guarantees Walsh protection from lawsuits or other legal action. Commissioner Roger Goodell has said he offered Walsh a deal requiring him "to tell the truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for indemnity, but Levy has said the deal doesn't go far enough. Goodell fined Belichick $500,000, the Patriots $250,000 and took away a first-round draft choice after the Patriots were caught taping New York Jets' coaches in last year's season opener, a 38-14 New England victory. Belichick said he misinterpreted the rule, which he felt only prohibited taping that could be used during the same game. He also apologized for the controversy the taping caused. "I respect the integrity of the game and always have and always will," he said in the Globe story. "I regret that any of this, or to whatever extent, it has in any way brought that into question or discussion or debate. The decision was made by the commissioner, the practice was immediately stopped, and we're not doing it. "Just going back over the whole taping incident, if I contacted the league and asked them about the practice, I'm sure they would have told me -- as they have done -- that it is not permissible. Then I could have avoided all of this. "I take responsibility for it," he said. "Even though I felt there was a gray area in the rule and I misinterpreted the rule, that was my mistake and we've been penalized for it. I apologize to everybody that is involved -- the league, the other teams, the fans, our team, for the amount of conversation and dialogue that it's caused." The day before the Patriots' 17-14 loss to the New York Giants in this year's Super Bowl, the Boston Herald reported New England taped St. Louis' walkthrough before the first of the Patriots' three Super Bowl victories. In a walkthrough, teams practice plays at a slower pace than normal without pads or helmets. Patriots spokesman Stacey James did not return phone calls or an e-mail seeking comment Sunday night.

Updated on Monday, Feb 18, 2008 12:48 am, EST

Oh, well then case closed, He denied it, done deal, let's move on.

[fryer98]

[ChrisRichey]

fryer98, on Tuesday, February 19th, 2008, 9:20 AM, said:

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[GeneralGeeWhiz]

[Flushgarden]

GeneralGeeWhiz, on Wednesday, February 20th, 2008, 6:49 PM, said:

not real...try it.

[ChrisRichey]

Flushgarden, on Wednesday, February 20th, 2008, 8:56 PM, said:

not real...try it.

Did you?

[Flushgarden]

Moss was not given the franchise tag. Must mean he's already agreed to a deal.

[WKTSWAY]

And now a former player is talking about how the Pats taped Def. signals starting as soon as Belichick was hired in 2000.LinkySo my question is, what will happen if they find out they have always been taping? They were punished for it once, can they be punished again?

[SuperJon]

WKTSWAY, on Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 4:22 AM, said:

And now a former player is talking about how the Pats taped Def. signals starting as soon as Belichick was hired in 2000.LinkySo my question is, what will happen if they find out they have always been taping? They were punished for it once, can they be punished again?

Double Jeopardy?

[Jadaki]

Flushgarden, on Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 12:06 AM, said:

Moss was not given the franchise tag. Must mean he's already agreed to a deal.

I find that unlikely.

[CaneBrain]

Jadaki, on Friday, February 22nd, 2008, 10:29 AM, said:

I find that unlikely.

ditto.