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#21 Balloon guy

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 05:41 PM

I guess we can believe the pundits, no jobs will be created by putting a pipeline from Canada to Houston. Except in Alberta.

Side note Alberta may be a desolate backwater...but they are going to be keeping the Canadian dollar from falling even more against the dollar in the years to come.



Man the democrats were not happy when the unions leaders met with Trump and came out saying positive things about him,. Funny how the politicians don't understand that getting ~$600million from union members means they want the work to be there afterwards.
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Posted 24 January 2017 - 05:46 PM

Tomorrow will be interesting.

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U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to sign several executive orders on Wednesday restricting immigration from Syria and six other Middle Eastern or African countries, according to several congressional aides and immigration experts briefed on the matter.

In addition to Syria, Trump's orders are expected to temporarily restrict access to the United States for most refugees. Another order will block visas from being issued to Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, said the aides and experts, who asked not to be identified.

Trump's restrictions on refugees are likely to include a multi-month ban on admissions from all countries until the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security can increase the intensity of the vetting process.

The Republican president was expected to sign the orders at the Washington headquarters of the Department of Homeland Security, whose responsibilities include immigration and border security.


The fake news that is being written as we type is sure to be hilarious.

Maybe the good liberal news reporters will be able to sleep soundly, knowing that they will spin this news into something racist, while Americans overwhelmingly agree with the EOs
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Posted 24 January 2017 - 07:42 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on 24 January 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

The fake news that is being written as we type is sure to be hilarious.

Ah yes the fake news based on facts. Like: https://twitter.com/...048946225889280 ?
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Posted 24 January 2017 - 08:34 PM

Yeah BG. Why aren't you getting your quality news from random Twitter users like the rest of us?

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 02:14 AM

View Postbrvheart, on 24 January 2017 - 08:34 PM, said:

Yeah BG. Why aren't you getting your quality news from random Twitter users like the rest of us?

ahh yes the random Twitter users like Fenxis just quoted with no knowledge of foreign affairs or security issues

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Micah Zenko is a Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Previously, he worked for five years at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government, and in Washington, DC, at the Brookings Institution, Congressional Research Service, and State Department’s Office of Policy Planning.

Zenko has published on a range of national security issues, including articles in Foreign Affairs, the Journal of Strategic Studies, Defense and Security Analysis, and Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, and op-eds in the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, and the New York Times. He writes the blog Politics, Power, and Preventive Action, which covers U.S. national security policy, international security, and conflict prevention, and also has a column on ForeignPolicy.com. He tweets at @MicahZenko.

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 02:18 AM

Here are Zenko's fuller thoughts.

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NEW: Trump to sign order restricting access to US for refugees from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Yemen.

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Odd list...omits top 2 (Afghan), 3 (Pak), 4 (India), 5 (Nigeria), 6 (Egypt), 7 (Phil), 8 (Bangladesh) states w/ most terror attacks last yr.

Esp. odd to close off US from select states, b/c it's irrelevant to what US officials say is the no. 1 threat...homegrown violent extremism.

Trump is pursuing expansive, tough-sounding CT policies that won't make US any safer...so at least that's consistent with Bush and Obama.

Also. US military is serving alongside security forces in Iraq, Libya, and Somalia. Can't imagine those govts will up their cooperation now.
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Posted 25 January 2017 - 06:02 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on 25 January 2017 - 02:14 AM, said:

ahh yes the random Twitter users like Fenxis just quoted with no knowledge of foreign affairs or security issues

Well it was brvheart -- BG's sidekick that can only cheer from the back rows and offer up lukewarm strawman attacks


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Posted 25 January 2017 - 06:09 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on 24 January 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

I guess we can believe the pundits, no jobs will be created by putting a pipeline from Canada to Houston. Except in Alberta.

Oh there will be tens thousands that will be created building the thing... estimated to be ~4500 in Canada and 15-28k in the US. In the long run the highest I've seen estimated in the US was 600 extra jobs for monitoring the pipeline and in the refinery. Maybe less if the Canadian Energy East pipeline can be approved / built (in addition to the other pipelines going in) as it will send crude out to Canadian refineries in the Maritimes.

Though I wonder how they are going to hire for this -- one of the big issues for the US labour force is that it's one of the most immobile around, though maybe as this is contract work it will be ok.
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Posted 25 January 2017 - 05:35 PM

View PostFenxis, on 25 January 2017 - 06:02 AM, said:

Well it was brvheart -- BG's sidekick that can only cheer from the back rows and offer up lukewarm strawman attacks

you just crossed the fvckin line, pal. denigrate brvy again and you'll catch these hands.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 07:30 AM

Over/under on how much this wall is actually going to cost to build? Trump says 12-15 billion.

I'll put the over/under at $45 Billion. I'm sure BG will still tell us that "That's not a lot of money".

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:19 AM

View PostDubey, on 26 January 2017 - 07:30 AM, said:

Over/under on how much this wall is actually going to cost to build? Trump says 12-15 billion.

I'll put the over/under at $45 Billion. I'm sure BG will still tell us that "That's not a lot of money".

https://twitter.com/...ngwall&src=typd

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#32 Dubey

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:35 AM

I don't think anybody, Trump included, really believes Mexico is paying for the wall.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:39 AM

Yes, you guys have been spot on when it comes to predicting the future with regards to President Trump.


Anyone want side action on whether Trump builds the wall as promised faster than Obama closes Gizmo, which he promised as well?


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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:47 AM

The point isn't whether Trump is going to build the wall. The point is how much of a giant waste of time and resources it is going to be.

But hey, you are going to make this into some left vs. right thing anyway, so you keep doing you.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:50 AM

I can see why you feel a deep connection to Trump. You seem to share the same desperate, insecure need to be compared favourably to those that came before. I hope you feel a great satisfaction when Trump does indeed finish his wall "faster than Obama closes Gizmo".

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:51 AM

Yes, the resistance to the wall was always over government spending and waste...


And walls don't work, we all know this. Biggest con in the world to build walls around things you want to protect.

Bricklayer have been playing the long con now for centuries.

But only the Chinese were fooled at this level before. Now they'll have a new win on their blogs.
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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:53 AM

oh I have no doubt that the wall is going to keep out Mexicans. Doesn't make it any less of a complete waste of resources.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:58 AM

View PostDubey, on 26 January 2017 - 08:50 AM, said:

I can see why you feel a deep connection to Trump. You seem to share the same desperate, insecure need to be compared favourably to those that came before. I hope you feel a great satisfaction when Trump does indeed finish his wall "faster than Obama closes Gizmo".

I can see why the future looks so bleak for you.
Trump is doing everything he said he would, in days, not months.

He has 2 years minimum with complete control over House and Senate, about to fill SC seat, and has approval numbers rising daily. There will be no stopping of his agenda


The left will soon have no where to go for political relevance, except Canada. Which means you will need a wall, because no one willingly wants leftist in their country.

And knowing you will need to build a wall soon is causing anxiety, which causes this need to project.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step.
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Posted 26 January 2017 - 09:03 AM

View PostDubey, on 26 January 2017 - 08:53 AM, said:

oh I have no doubt that the wall is going to keep out Mexicans. Doesn't make it any less of a complete waste of resources.
didn't you guys fall to like 8th world widein gdp? Behind Texas and California in fact which would make you 10th?

It's like a poor person who doesn't understand why anyone would buy a Bentley. Because to them it represents a significant percent of their life time wages.
But to someone with money, it's just the cost of being awesome.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 09:10 AM

Right out of the BG playbook:

Strawman argument in every post? check.

demean and belittle Canada because how dare a Canadian have an opinion on America? check.

Complete lack of awareness of what anyone is talking about? check.



Congrats though, the Bentley Analogy is probably one of the top 5 most ridiculous things you have ever posted... though to be fair, there are hundreds of posts that would be in strong contention for that honour.






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