is dn a hypocrite?

[Pupsta 0]

little poker humor for you, loiswith all the religions on earth, what are the chances of yours being right? worse than you rivering the royal to beat quads, that's for sure

I try to follow the bible, the word of God- so, I would have to say that the way I try and follow is 100% the correct way, as best as I can biblically tell. Which is the rub for me these days, as I pointed out earlier.

i'm not SAYING the "correct" way to follow christianity. i'm saying, what are the odds that christianity is correct? why not mormonism? scientology? buddhism? hell, l ron hubbard could have it right and we're all infected with thetins. who the hell knows? not anybody down here.

Because chrisianity was brought to us directly from the son of God- seems like a decent source to me. So, once again, my odds are 100%

Bible proves itself- give me a minute I will give you a list of scripture to look up to help you.how in the bloody hell do you know that?were you in the room when you saw god knock mary up?were you the dr at the lab to run the dna tests to prove that this wine changing hippie is the son of god?no...you're going on blind faith. blind faith in a book that was written by men in the middle of the god forsaken desert that probably saw wacky shit every day of their lives.

i'd love to see these scriptures that the bible proves itself that it is 100% correct. did it predict 9/11, like nostradamus?maybe it had the dates of WWII or something in it!

[digitalmonkey 929]

Christians will not be forgiven if they play poker. That forgiveness is reserved for priests who molest little boys. What, what, you're all in father, okay then.

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[Guest]

Angler, I think it's safe to say you and SAM have made this forum a much better place to be.Bravo. :-)

[Loismustdie 0]

Alright Pupsta, this is for you and all the haters out there.. ahem.. here goes: This is a quick sample of some scientific facts in the bible that no man would have written, it could only have come from a higher power. Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth on the circle of the earth.. That was not the belief in those times, there were all kinds of theorys, no one believed that the earth was a circle. This man, as inspired by God, knew it was so. How else did he know? Lucky guess? Job 38:16 Look it up at Bible.com, KJV, he asks if the observer had ever seen the springs of the sea- these springs do exist. However, no one knew of them till Jacque Cousteau was able to go down deep enough and find them, and he did- freshwater springs deep in the ocean. Did the writer just get lucky again? Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Mt. Palomar, CA, they built a telescope strong enough that when pointed due north, past what the naked eye can see there is... nothing. It is empty. The writer could not have possibly known that, a higher power would have had to have been behind the writing of that statement. As far as the earth hanging on nothing, we know that to be true- back then they had no way to know this yet the writer wrote it as fact. Lucky again? Eclesiastes 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea yet the sea is not full, unto the place from where the rivers came, thither they return again. The process of evaporation and precpitation- no one knew of this in biblical times!! Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men. This was not a known fact until I believe the first world war, how could the writer know this? That's just a few, there are more I can look up for you. If you go to Bible. com search " Behold, the moon, and it shineth not "- that is another one that people in those times could not have possibly known that the moon is just reflecting light from the sun, it gives no light of its own- how could they have known this? Either these writers are very good guessers or someone higher than they was dictating there words. Look it up and get back to me.

[Loismustdie 0]

Christians will not be forgiven if they play poker. That forgiveness is reserved for priests who molest little boys. What, what, you're all in father, okay then.

By the way, your avatars, while funny, are soiling this thread. Turn off the animated porn, please.

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[Wingmaster05 0]

did it predict 9/11, like nostradamus?

it's statements like that that make you lose a lot of credibility.

[crowTrobot 2]

Alright Pupsta, this is for you and all the haters out there.. ahem.. here goes: This is a quick sample of some scientific facts in the bible that no man would have written, it could only have come from a higher power. Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth on the circle of the earth.. That was not the belief in those times, there were all kinds of theorys, no one believed that the earth was a circle. This man, as inspired by God, knew it was so. How else did he know? Lucky guess? Job 38:16 Look it up at Bible.com, KJV, he asks if the observer had ever seen the springs of the sea- these springs do exist. However, no one knew of them till Jacque Cousteau was able to go down deep enough and find them, and he did- freshwater springs deep in the ocean. Did the writer just get lucky again? Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Mt. Palomar, CA, they built a telescope strong enough that when pointed due north, past what the naked eye can see there is... nothing. It is empty. The writer could not have possibly known that, a higher power would have had to have been behind the writing of that statement. As far as the earth hanging on nothing, we know that to be true- back then they had no way to know this yet the writer wrote it as fact. Lucky again? Eclesiastes 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea yet the sea is not full, unto the place from where the rivers came, thither they return again. The process of evaporation and precpitation- no one knew of this in biblical times!! Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men. This was not a known fact until I believe the first world war, how could the writer know this?

the context for all of these is fabricated propaganda - trying to graft modern scientific meaning onto simple ancient poetic text. anyway -1. nobody may have believed the earth was a sphere but some thinkers likely suspected it was a circle in the sense of a disc, since the horizon is obviously rounded.2. some ancient cultures did believe the seas originated and were sustained by springs. 3. i don't even understand this one - whoever thought this up obviously knows nothing about astronomy - there are plenty of stars to the north visible with the naked eye and you see even more with a telescope. did ancients even have the modern concept of 'north' anyway?4. some ancient cultures certainly believed that nature behaved in cycles even if they had no true understanding about them.5. refers to god's "one blood", not genetic linking of various races or whatever the above bs is suppose to mean.

[Wingmaster05 0]

If you're religious you are either,intelligent but brainwashed by tradition and custom,ignorant and brainwashed by tradition and custom,intelligent and afraid of death and grasp for personal immortality,or ignorant and afraid of death and grasp for personal immortality.Sorry, no other options for you.

Yeah, I completely agree. It's sad, because so many intelligent people have been mindfucked by organized religeon since early childhood, that they just accept it. All organized religeons are simply a means of control. It's pretty easy, all you really have to do is take a famous minister/prophet, mix in a little fact, and alot of fiction, and tell people that they are the son of god, or a savior sent from god, and because people are always searching for meaning, they accept these notions. Then you have these guys spread the "word of god" and brainwash all of the people they can find, and pretty soon everyone is listening to you. And you can have holy wars, or crusades over geopolitically significant pieces of land (i.e. jerusalem) and no one will ask why, or for what purpose- It's god's will! :wink:

adding mindfucked to the vocabulary. Nice one.

[Loismustdie 0]

Alright Pupsta, this is for you and all the haters out there.. ahem.. here goes: This is a quick sample of some scientific facts in the bible that no man would have written, it could only have come from a higher power. Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth on the circle of the earth.. That was not the belief in those times, there were all kinds of theorys, no one believed that the earth was a circle. This man, as inspired by God, knew it was so. How else did he know? Lucky guess? Job 38:16 Look it up at Bible.com, KJV, he asks if the observer had ever seen the springs of the sea- these springs do exist. However, no one knew of them till Jacque Cousteau was able to go down deep enough and find them, and he did- freshwater springs deep in the ocean. Did the writer just get lucky again? Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Mt. Palomar, CA, they built a telescope strong enough that when pointed due north, past what the naked eye can see there is... nothing. It is empty. The writer could not have possibly known that, a higher power would have had to have been behind the writing of that statement. As far as the earth hanging on nothing, we know that to be true- back then they had no way to know this yet the writer wrote it as fact. Lucky again? Eclesiastes 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea yet the sea is not full, unto the place from where the rivers came, thither they return again. The process of evaporation and precpitation- no one knew of this in biblical times!! Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men. This was not a known fact until I believe the first world war, how could the writer know this?

the context for all of these is fabricated propaganda - trying to graft modern scientific meaning onto simple ancient poetic text. anyway -1. nobody may have believed the earth was a sphere but some thinkers likely suspected it was a circle in the sense of a disc, since the horizon is obviously rounded.2. some ancient cultures did believe the seas originated and were sustained by springs. 3. i don't even understand this one - whoever thought this up obviously knows nothing about astronomy - there are plenty of stars to the north visible with the naked eye and you see even more with a telescope. did ancients even have the modern concept of 'north' anyway?4. some ancient cultures certainly believed that nature behaved in cycles even if they had no true understanding about them.5. refers to god's "one blood", not genetic linking of various races or whatever the above bs is suppose to mean.

All of these things the writers wrote as fact and it turns out all hold to be true, and none of these the writers could have known that to be so in that they did not have the means to PROVE IT WAS SO - due north, past what the eye can see, is nothing- look it up, I dare you, I double dare you. Some ancient cultures believed alot of things, and yet writers inspired by God write scientifically correct facts eveytime? That's not luck, that's not guesswork that is knowledge. I love how unbelievers try to scoff at anything, even to say that one blood is reffering to " Gods blood. " LOLOLOL- really? O.K., I will go with that- then what is Gods blood? What is he refering to? Before you answer though let me pose this question-- Who's making up stuff now? You actually have to make up things to refute the things you claim are made up in the first place!! What a sad existence trying to disprove the bible is, and the more you reply the more I show you for the fraud you are.

[Guest]

little poker humor for you, loiswith all the religions on earth, what are the chances of yours being right? worse than you rivering the royal to beat quads, that's for sure

You have mentioned correctly in a couple of your posts the large number of religions and questioned the probability of Christianity being the "correct" one. Well, throughout history there have been thousands of religions. The Roman empire had literly thousands come and go throughout it's storied history. 2000 years ago a man roamed the empire for about 3 years teaching the Jews throughout the empire. He claimed to be the messiah mentioned in the scriptures of their forefathers. Despite performing many miricles witnessed by many he was executed. His followers continued to spread his message until most of them were executed. Seems to me if Jesus's followers knew him to be a fraud I think they would have given in under the threat of execution. But the most amazing thing may be the fact that within 2 generations of this mans death the Roman empire, who had entertained thousands of Religions througout their history, became overwhelmingly dominated by one "new" Religion, Christianity. From there it spread throughout the world. Now I know this isn't going to convince you of anything, but Dude, something happened 2000 years ago that changed the world forever. Quite a feat for a lowly carpenter from Galalie. ( if thats all he was)

[Loismustdie 0]

little poker humor for you, loiswith all the religions on earth, what are the chances of yours being right? worse than you rivering the royal to beat quads, that's for sure

You have mentioned correctly in a couple of your posts the large number of religions and questioned the probability of Christianity being the "correct" one. Well, throughout history there have been thousands of religions. The Roman empire had literly thousands come and go throughout it's storied history. 2000 years ago a man roamed the empire for about 3 years teaching the Jews throughout the empire. He claimed to be the messiah mentioned in the scriptures of their forefathers. Despite performing many miricles witnessed by many he was executed. His followers continued to spread his message until most of them were executed. Seems to me if Jesus's followers knew him to be a fraud I think they would have given in under the threat of execution. But the most amazing thing may be the fact that within 2 generations of this mans death the Roman empire, who had entertained thousands of Religions througout their history, became overwhelmingly dominated by one "new" Religion, Christianity. From there it spread throughout the world. Now I know this isn't going to convince you of anything, but Dude something happened 2000 years ago that changed the world forever. Quite a feat for a lowly carpenter from Galalie. ( if thats all he was)

That is a very simple and good way of giving an overall idea of the magnitude of Jesus impact on the world at large- very good form my friend, well played!!

[Pupsta 0]

did it predict 9/11, like nostradamus?

it's statements like that that make you lose a lot of credibility.

how exactly do i lose credibility wit ha statement like that? he says that the bible predicts shit...well, nostradamus supposedly predicted 9/11, so maybe he's god?it honestly doesn'tfuckingmatter.you christians are going to be brainwashed to believe that we're all incestuous and came from adam and eve, and that dinosaurs roamed the earth with all of us, and that the earth is only a few thousand years old...whatever. believe some book over scientific proof. doesn't matter to me.

[Loismustdie 0]

did it predict 9/11, like nostradamus?

it's statements like that that make you lose a lot of credibility.

how exactly do i lose credibility wit ha statement like that? he says that the bible predicts shit...well, nostradamus supposedly predicted 9/11, so maybe he's god?it honestly doesn'tfuckingmatter.you christians are going to be brainwashed to believe that we're all incestuous and came from adam and eve, and that dinosaurs roamed the earth with all of us, and that the earth is only a few thousand years old...whatever. believe some book over scientific proof. doesn't matter to me.

Notice, Wingmaster, that Pupsta did not even mention the post I made for him concerning bibluical scientific facts. This could mean one of two things: One, he is diligently researching what I referenced and considering what they mean or two, he has no answer and has been officially been stumped. The answer remains to be seen.

[Pupsta 0]

did it predict 9/11, like nostradamus?

it's statements like that that make you lose a lot of credibility.

how exactly do i lose credibility wit ha statement like that? he says that the bible predicts shit...well, nostradamus supposedly predicted 9/11, so maybe he's god?it honestly doesn'tfuckingmatter.you christians are going to be brainwashed to believe that we're all incestuous and came from adam and eve, and that dinosaurs roamed the earth with all of us, and that the earth is only a few thousand years old...whatever. believe some book over scientific proof. doesn't matter to me.

Notice, Wingmaster, that Pupsta did not even mention the post I made for him concerning bibluical scientific facts. This could mean one of two things: One, he is diligently researching what I referenced and considering what they mean or two, he has no answer and has been officially been stumped. The answer remains to be seen.

3. it's 3am, i've had a bit to drink, i skimmed it, and may or may not come u pwith some sort of intelligible response tomorrow.

[Loismustdie 0]

did it predict 9/11, like nostradamus?

it's statements like that that make you lose a lot of credibility.

how exactly do i lose credibility wit ha statement like that? he says that the bible predicts shit...well, nostradamus supposedly predicted 9/11, so maybe he's god?it honestly doesn'tfuckingmatter.you christians are going to be brainwashed to believe that we're all incestuous and came from adam and eve, and that dinosaurs roamed the earth with all of us, and that the earth is only a few thousand years old...whatever. believe some book over scientific proof. doesn't matter to me.

Notice, Wingmaster, that Pupsta did not even mention the post I made for him concerning bibluical scientific facts. This could mean one of two things: One, he is diligently researching what I referenced and considering what they mean or two, he has no answer and has been officially been stumped. The answer remains to be seen.

3. it's 3am, i've had a bit to drink, i skimmed it, and may or may not come u pwith some sort of intelligible response tomorrow.

Got ya- I knew you would come through- honestly, I need to get to be as well. Nite all.

[DerekTah 0]

ok, so god did those things because, "He can"Thank you. Thats fine if you believe that. Now that you said that, I don't want to "worship" a god who is going to do that to people who don't deserve it. It's against what I believe in. I believe in helping those who can't help themselves. I believe in not tormenting or picking on someone weaker than me just because "I can". That's mean. And I don't agree with it.If God were avengeful to those who "deserved it" Then i'm there!!!

You think they don't deserve it because as I believe you put it earlier "it was only the pharoh". The society had allowed slavery to continue for decades. All Egyptian were benifactors of this and in that sense guilty. That is the problem with justice, one persons justice is another's injustice. Maybe you shouldn't believe, because truth is the Christian god is not about justice or who deserves what. If it was Jesus would of got off the cross and all who condemmed him would be destoryed and all who loved him would be blessed. Even Jesus makes refernce to this in one of his parables (the story of the store keeper and those who work for him at the begginning and those who work for him later in the day). God has decided to choose apparently the quality of compassion over justice (or at least that my opinion).

[BigMike 0]

My offer still stands- 100 dollars per contradiction that you can find in the Bible' date=' King James Version- nobody has stepped up to date and this challenge was made months ago. So' date=' instead of just spouting crap with no examples of what and why, back it up- I would love to see what you come up with.[/quote'']Ok, does this offer stand for anyone? I'm sure you meant it as a challenge for nonchristians, but I could use the money, and perhaps you could use a lesson about making foolish challenges.How about Eph. 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (italics mine)contrast with James 2:17 - Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.So is it faith alone, or are works required? Is there not some contradiction there? While we're on the subject, is not the very nature of Christ, fully God and fully man, inherently a contradiction? Lets not even get into the Trinity! I can probably find other contradictions if you want me to think. Yet I believe as much as you do in the inerrancy of Scripture.Also, though I used it for this exercise, the KJV is not the most accurate version of the Bible to date. I repeat, not. Not even close, actually. I'm pretty sure it is the least accurate of Bible translations used by evangelical churches. Which makes sense since it was written in the 17th century. For sheer accuracy to the original language (though not readability), the New American Standard Version is good, and for KJV fans the New King James is also pretty good.Now, I like to debate a point as much as, if not more than, the next guy, but I really think this discussion has gone on long enough. No one is going to be convinced based on arguments such as those made here. Instead of endlessly bantering points and insults perhaps one could spend the time spent typing either:a) praying for the unsaved B) reading Scripture c) paying more attention to the poker game you're playing.In Christ,Mikeps - pm me about sending me my $100. Booyah.

[Canada 0]

Alright Pupsta, this is for you and all the haters out there.. ahem.. here goes: This is a quick sample of some scientific facts in the bible that no man would have written, it could only have come from a higher power. Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth on the circle of the earth.. That was not the belief in those times, there were all kinds of theorys, no one believed that the earth was a circle. This man, as inspired by God, knew it was so. How else did he know? Lucky guess? Job 38:16 Look it up at Bible.com, KJV, he asks if the observer had ever seen the springs of the sea- these springs do exist. However, no one knew of them till Jacque Cousteau was able to go down deep enough and find them, and he did- freshwater springs deep in the ocean. Did the writer just get lucky again? Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Mt. Palomar, CA, they built a telescope strong enough that when pointed due north, past what the naked eye can see there is... nothing. It is empty. The writer could not have possibly known that, a higher power would have had to have been behind the writing of that statement. As far as the earth hanging on nothing, we know that to be true- back then they had no way to know this yet the writer wrote it as fact. Lucky again? Eclesiastes 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea yet the sea is not full, unto the place from where the rivers came, thither they return again. The process of evaporation and precpitation- no one knew of this in biblical times!! Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men. This was not a known fact until I believe the first world war, how could the writer know this? That's just a few, there are more I can look up for you. If you go to Bible. com search " Behold, the moon, and it shineth not "- that is another one that people in those times could not have possibly known that the moon is just reflecting light from the sun, it gives no light of its own- how could they have known this? Either these writers are very good guessers or someone higher than they was dictating there words. Look it up and get back to me.

Wow - I mean really - wow.Proof. You're having a laugh aren't you?Surely with all the resources available to christianity you could come up with better than that. A school kid could make rational arguments against all of those.Sculptured intent derived from genecric phrases that are loosely interpreted from another language & culture at best, are your basis of proofLets take one where its based on interpretation:Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth on the circle of the earth.. Who's to say that the author isn't suggesting that we live on a flat circle as opposed to a globe.and another where the results are shaped to fit the 'fact': Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Which north are we talking about here? Magnetic north - nope no good, thats constantly moving. North meaning directly 'up' from the Earth's axis - nope no good, the Earth constantly 'wobbles' for want of a better word on its axis.Bring in the fact that all objects in the universe are constantly changing position relative to each other as the universe expands and it gets worse.So to suggest a piece of the universe is empty is ludicrous, when the area referenced is changing on a constant basis.It's like me pointing down the road at 10:14 and saying 'the road is empty so there is a God. Well, there is a God until the 10:16 bus comes over the hill...'It's great when relgions bring there own quasi-science to the table as proof for what, by the definition of faith, should remain unprovable.

[Loismustdie 0]

Google it- no astronomer will refute the fact that there is an empty place in space, due north. Research it, I dare you. To everybody- this is just the start, I have more, but do you see what is happening here? Even when I give scientific examples, they try and find a way to weasel out. " Blood of nations doesn't mean blood, it means Gods blood. " How do you know he wasn't saying the earth was like a plate, he couldn't have been saying it was a sphere. " " Some cultures believed that the sea came from fresh water." " North is always changing. " " That is just you trying to fit scientific facts onto some old passage of scripture." The thing is, this is just the start- there are scriptures that talk about treasures in the snow ( minerals, or basically fertilizer ), the fact that both a man and woman have seed- in those times it was believed that only a man had seed!! There is a scripture that talks about pathways in the ocean, and there are, and now we have maps of them thanks to oceanography, there are scriptures that talk about the stars singing ( NASA has tapes of sounds that stars emit, and each one is unique. ) The thing is this- some people can just never except what they cannot see, and there really is not much I can do for them- I can try, but they will always try to find some way to create doubt, no matter how ridiculous it is because they cannot face the fact that if the bible is true, then they are no longer masters of there own domain- no matter what happens, Gods law will have rule over there life at some point, whether it is in the end or now here on earth. If anyone has anyone questions and would like to continue this somewhere else without the input of people that would rather raise ridiculous questions and objections feel free to email me at fmqb7@yahoo.com- I will continue to post here as well but I would like to extend that offer. " Let us reason the scriptures. "

[lolita21 0]

This post was not meant to "judge" or "slam" Daniel by any means. I was trying to get a discussion going, and I got a lot more than I bargained for. I said on page 1 that I would love to hear DN's thoughts on this, I never thought he'd actually come through. I'm tyring to learn more about the bible, and this was an issue that was really bugging me. I could have rephrased my original post, but I see how the nice guys get treated here.

Rob,Given that you got "a lot more than you bargained for", including a response from Daniel himself, that he clearly gave some thought and time from an extremely busy schedule, perhaps a "Daniel, I apologize if I offended you in any way as that was not my intent." would have been in order. Perhaps if you behave as a nice guy, you will be treated in kind. Just a thought.

Alright, now the nose is just making him uncomfortable and frankly at this point you need a shower.

I am responding to this thread despite my resolve to to no longer read it. I took up no limit holdem a couple of years ago after getting quite good at, and subsequently quite bored with limit holdem. I was becoming facinated with the game and getting better with each tourney. I went to Los Angelas to play some of the smaller events, when a hand came up in which due to the action of the the hand, I knew I had a bigger pair than my opponent (or a 4:1 fav for the idiots), and had a sickening gut feeling that I wanted to tell my opponent to fold. (I was in the top 10 in chips and would have been the chip leader with this hand). I'm a mathematically minded individual, not generally prone to this type of thinking. He was in the tank for a full 2 minutes; perhaps more and was a good player who wanted to fold if he was against a bigger pair. All I would have had to say is "I"ve got you; you'd have beat me in the pot if you had a better hand"... not a violation of tourney rules. I kept my mouth shut, my eyes lowered behind my sunglasses, and he finally called. As I do not believe in bad beat stories, I left the tourney kind of sick to my stomach, and immediately headed back to Vegas. This hand troubled me for several days when I finally emailed Daniel, not truly even expecting a response. He emailed me back within a couple of days, gave me several tips, and stated yes, he'd had this feeling before, and yes, I absolutely made the right play. His confirmation of my play put me back in my A game and made me feel that I was learning, bad beats not withstanding. My play has continued to improve since, including a freeroll to the UB WPT event (I was ahead on the site when I won my trip.)Call it whatever you like. His advice meant more to me than any amount of anaysis of that play could have. He confirmed that the math and the read determine the play; not one's perceived "psychic" ability.Here's to hoping to be able to thank him when I win my first big one.

So you're saying Dan is your hero? I'm not sure I get it....

Lois, quite frankly, if you spent as much time on learning poker as you have on this thread, you'd likely be a world class player yourself with better things to do.I responded to your comments of my "nose up his rear" to simply clarify why I feel that this topic and the bashing of Daniel by many here is so completely inappropriate.Is he my hero? Certainly I have reached an age where I need not have "heros" such as superman, batman, or Daniel. Daniel took the time to respond to and give me some advice that was very much needed, when I was a nobody and he had many more important things to do. This advice allowed me to put a troubling hand to rest in my mind and move on to other aspects of improving my game. As a result, I have now played my first WPT event, have learned to not let bad beats bother me, as long as I feel I played the hand correctly and have become a much better player. If that, to you, means my nose is up Daniel's rear, then so be it.I respect the man a great deal, and don't appreciate someone taking shots at him. Respond all you like, as I am done with this thread.Daniel, thank you again for your time and input.Lois; get a life.

[Loismustdie 0]

LOLOLOLOL- I feel so chastised. If I ever need a man I do not know and will never know to make me feel better about myself, I trust that someone on this site would do me the favor of shooting me. " Oh somebody kill me please, somebody kill me please, I'm on my knees, pretty pretty please, kill me, I want to die, put a bullet in my head. " You know, in the movie that was pretty funny but writing it down sounds kind of sick, you know? As far as being a world class player, I am pretty damn good- but I also am a writer, a very good golfer and a father and a husband to a high maintenence hottie to boot. I'm a multi tasker baby, theses are the ABC'S of me. Sounds like you got all you can handle making it through to the next day, I would just tuck my tail back in my drawers and go home fella- you have been outflopped.

[avsfan 0]

I don't what your all talkin about but this shouldn't get buried.

He claims to be a Christian, but do Christians live the poker lifestyle like DN? I have seen him talk about drinking, partying, and we all know he likes to gamble. DN's lifestyle would not be considered "Christian" by anyone with a little knowledge of the Bible. To be a true Christian, you must convey the Christian lifestyle, something which I believe DN is not doing.Discuss, my community college minions.

1.Gambling: First of all, for the record, I don't even gamble really. I play poker for a living. By your definition, a stock broker, entrepreneur, or most other businessmen would be gamblers in that the outcome of there decisions isn't certain. I have searched and searched the Bible for anything that might allude to gambling being immoral. It's not there. There is only one verse where Jesus is upset because people were gambling in a house of worship and turned the church into a market. In fact, God made a wager himself! Granted, it was a wager he wasn't going to lose, but according to the book of Job, God made a bet with Satan. Job was a God fearing man, and Satan bet that he could get him to turn on God. God agreed to let Satan try as he might, but of course despite Job losing everything and being upset about the situation, he never lost his faith in God. I have absolutely no qualms with what I do for a living and I don't think any true Christian should. Besides, the most valuable lesson I learned from the New Testament is that we aren't to push our own personal convictions on others. 2. Alcohol: Becoming a drunkard is sinful, just as overeating can be sinful. If you destroy your body by overeating. or allow alcohol to become a problem in your life, the Bible clearly states that it's something you need to get control of. Alcohol in itself it not at all sinful. If it were, then why on Earth would Jesus himself help to keep a party going by turning water into wine? Jesus would not have contributed to sin, so from that you should see that Jesus obviously didn't have a problem with people drinking wine. As far as partying goes, celebrating good times is EXACTLY what we should be doing! Enjoying each other’s company and being good to each other. There is a notion amongst many that to be a Christian you have to be, "boring." I would suggest you read a book mostly for men called, "Wild at Heart," which helps explain that we are adventurers by nature. Not timid, weak, quiet, or boring, but ferociously wild adventurers!3. The Christian Lifestyle: I can see that you feel as though you have a clear vision as to what it means to be a Christian and the way a Christian is to behave. True, we are supposed to follow the laws of the New Testament, but above all else, we are to love each other as brothers and leave the judgment of others for God. God understands that we are all sinners and will screw up all the time. The debt for those sins has already been paid. The goal for all of us is to simply, "Do our best," to live without sin. We couldn't possibly live sin free lives, as we are sinners by nature. Only Jesus was able to live a sinless life on Earth. As for me, I know that there are several things I need to be mindful of. Certain things convict me more than others: Pride, and not judging others are probably the two things that I pray about most, but it's different for everybody. Not everyone is convicted by the same things. For some people, drugs may be their weakness and it would be smart of them to avoid being around others who use. For others, drugs is not a concern for them at all. In fact, I know a lot of people that do illegal drugs and it doesn't bother me to be around them. I am not convicted by drugs. I've never done an illegal drug in my life and it's just not something that tempts me. *********************************************************************** It saddens me a little bit that the way I behave or represent myself to you doesn't come across as "Christian." Perhaps I need to do more to show people how strong my faith is. I'll look at your post as a wake up call! What I will say in my defense, though, is that I think it's important that you focus on the right things. Not what I drink, or what I do for a living, but how I treat others. How I represent myself to others. How do I do as a husband, brother, son, or a friend to others. Love is what God is all about. Religion, well that's all about rules and God has little interest in much of that craziness.

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To everybody- this is just the start, I have more, but do you see what is happening here? Even when I give scientific examples, they try and find a way to weasel out. "

I'm not trying to weasel out of anything.What you are assuming is that I don't have faith...What I'm am objecting to is religous tripe that is smugly delivered as proof that God exists, when it is so blatantly a contrived interpretation and even then hollow at the simpliest of inspections.Delivered with an intellectual tone and seen as a 'victory' over science, these sort of arguments are the ones that make Christians cringe and want to say "They are not really with us, we just let them carry the bags..."