New Challenge: Movin' On Up

[QED 4]

No idea what to do here. I'm not sure I want to get it in because we are deep but his 4 bet his nuts. Button is 12/10 with a 2% 3 bet over 172 hands. His button stats are 21/14 over 14 hands and has 3bet 1/11 times on the button. Dont have a cow, heres your converted handFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 9 playersSB: $67.55 BB: $77.55 (Hero)UTG: $61.70 UTG+1: $114.30 MP: $40.50 MP2: $68.90 HJ: $10.70 CO: $93.40 Button: $76.50 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (9 players)3 folds, MP2 raises to $1.50, HJ folds, CO calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $8.50, 2 folds, Button raises to $19,If he called there I would have put him on an AK or JJ type hand but 4 betting just confused the hell out of me.

[trystero 0]

Is he a winning player? What are your stats and the BB's?

[QED 4]

It's rush so it's really hard to say what he knows about me. I have him tagged as a 4 tabler for whatever that is worth and up 28.42 bb/100 over the limited sample.

[Nashtak 0]

I went to the casino to play some 200nl last night. The players were fairly loose and you could tell they followed poker to a certain degree. They didn't bet ridiculously low or high amounts, nor were they playing every single hands they got. Though, probably influenced from your typical high-octane poker shows, they loved to play all sort of ''potential'' hands, ranging from low suited to double gappers and such. In fact, my biggest pot was when i doubled with AK suited, after raising a straddle followed by 4 limps. I had 150 in front of me raised to 26, which was way too high. But oddly enough, only the blinds and 1 limper folded. The flop was A-3-6 with 2 clubs. I betted what was probably about half the pot, or possibly a tad less. All of them folded except 1 who shoved. I called and was facing j-7 suited for the flush draw.. my hand held. 1. I know many noticed my tight play before that hand, which they probably threw out of proportion due to their own looseness. 2. I know they value their trickeries and wild plays over a solid game, which they also probably throw out of proportion. The AK hand is a good example, but not the only instance i noticed.Overall, i wasn't satisfy of my session. My focus wasn't constant and i made a few plays out of nowhere without giving it much thoughts. Most importantly, i didn't have much of a game plan, if at all. Analyzing an undergoing hand is also a pain; i find myself considering many possible holdings one could have, but i'm uncapable of giving those any weights. Every action he has taken can mean something, or the total opposite so really i'm not going anywhere. In other words, i have a hard time coming to any conclusions regardless of how many details i got. I therefor find myself playing fairly tight-weak, against players who are bluffing and raising a lot. Aside from a few hands, i found i generally playing better after i won the AK hand. Or at least, i was more comfortable with placing chips in the middle.Any words of wisdom?

[SuperJon 175]

I dropped 3 hundo in a 1/2 game today. fun fun

[Ninja Ace 1]

Villain is 31/21/6 with a 13.6% (3/22) 3b over 80 hands.I didn't want to fold or 4b pre... so calling sounded goot.Flop might be a riase/get it in, we've got good equity vs most of his value range and maybe I can a bit of fold equity vs some lower pairs and AQ or something... thoughts...once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersSB Dude-Bun: $25.00 BB AJMcQueen78: $53.00 UTG schoola: $25.00 UTG+1 Hero: $27.20 CO Kalamatti25: $26.35 Button MatchLeader: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)schoola folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, AJMcQueen78 raises to $1.50, Hero calls $0.75Flop: ($3.10) (2 players)AJMcQueen78 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50Turn: ($6.10) (2 players)AJMcQueen78 bets $1.75, Hero folds

Pretty horrible fold on the turn imo

[CobaltBlue 662]

Do I seriously get more hands than everyone else combined? :-p

Between cash and tournaments, I think I probably played 100k hands last month.Barq's has bite...v1.24Dont have a cow, heres your converted handFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.50/$1 - 9 playersMP: $106.80 MP2: $100.00 HJ: $80.55 CO: $40.70 Button: $193.00 SB: $172.30 BB: $928.05 (Hero)UTG: $164.00 UTG+1: $100.00 Preflop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with : : (9 players)UTG folds, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $4, 2 folds, Button calls $4, SB folds, Hero raises to $17.50, MP2 calls $13.50, Button calls $13.50Flop: ($53.00) : : : (3 players)Hero bets $12, MP2 calls $12, Button foldsTurn: ($77.00) : (2 players)Hero bets $16, MP2 calls $16River: ($109.00) : (2 players)Hero bets $55, MP2 calls $54.50, and is all inMP2 mucked : :Hero showed : :, and won ($215) with a pair of AcesHero won $215(Rake: $3)

[KingJames 11]

Sick 3 outer ;)Boooooooooooooooooooom Oregon, Aurburn, Va Tech, USC!!!!!!!!

[Ninja Ace 1]

Cobalt... u are a nut teach me to pwn n00bs like you do.Srsly u are my personal hero eff all the other oldheads don't care who i offend

[Ninja Ace 1]

Also.. I hate to be a dick... but I SERIOUSLY need an explanation for that turn fold KJ. You don't even need implied odds and can't be drawing dead THAT often.Even if you play one bet poker on the river it's still profitable to draw

[KingJames 11]

Pretty horrible fold on the turn imo

Also.. I hate to be a dick... but I SERIOUSLY need an explanation for that turn fold KJ. You don't even need implied odds and can't be drawing dead THAT often.Even if you play one bet poker on the river it's still profitable to draw

Yeah, it might be horribleI really thought he had AK AA KK a lotNot much I can say... thought I was drawing to an obvious/non-nut draw in a spot when I can be dead, so I folded

[fighter 4]

Any words of wisdom?

If you are playing too tight, someone will mention it to you live. So don't worry until they do. Only start playing looser when they are saying you are tight AND start folding. Who cares what they say to you if they are still calling you.

[trystero 0]

I went to the casino to play some 200nl last night. The players were fairly loose and you could tell they followed poker to a certain degree. They didn't bet ridiculously low or high amounts, nor were they playing every single hands they got. Though, probably influenced from your typical high-octane poker shows, they loved to play all sort of ''potential'' hands, ranging from low suited to double gappers and such. In fact, my biggest pot was when i doubled with AK suited, after raising a straddle followed by 4 limps. I had 150 in front of me raised to 26, which was way too high. But oddly enough, only the blinds and 1 limper folded. The flop was A-3-6 with 2 clubs. I betted what was probably about half the pot, or possibly a tad less. All of them folded except 1 who shoved. I called and was facing j-7 suited for the flush draw.. my hand held. 1. I know many noticed my tight play before that hand, which they probably threw out of proportion due to their own looseness. 2. I know they value their trickeries and wild plays over a solid game, which they also probably throw out of proportion. The AK hand is a good example, but not the only instance i noticed.Overall, i wasn't satisfy of my session. My focus wasn't constant and i made a few plays out of nowhere without giving it much thoughts. Most importantly, i didn't have much of a game plan, if at all. Analyzing an undergoing hand is also a pain; i find myself considering many possible holdings one could have, but i'm uncapable of giving those any weights. Every action he has taken can mean something, or the total opposite so really i'm not going anywhere. In other words, i have a hard time coming to any conclusions regardless of how many details i got. I therefor find myself playing fairly tight-weak, against players who are bluffing and raising a lot. Aside from a few hands, i found i generally playing better after i won the AK hand. Or at least, i was more comfortable with placing chips in the middle.Any words of wisdom?

It's tough to play live donks because they can be so erratic. So you might want to consider less hand reading and just playing your hands straight up for value. I've had some luck thinking about what live players WANT to be doing in a spot, not how they should or would've played a hand a certain way. You can't analyze something logically if there's no logic to it. They don't know basically anything about poker but they know to do certain things like to prey on weakness. I've just played in 50nl/25nl homegames but from what I've heard about 1/2 live the players are similar. Like in this one hand I lost against a station fish: I had like J8 otb and he flatted from the BB. Everyone else folded a total miracle. I flopped top pair, dry board, and bet on flop and turn. The river was an ace. I waffled on betting because he could've had an ace, calling down, but I could also still get paid off by a worse pair, so I bet like 1/2 pot. He check/raised me. I folded and he showed K4s. Made no sense; no pair, no draw, out of position, not taking the initiative to bluff, just calling down because he had a king? But on the river he was able to deduce that I probably didn't have the ace, because I was hesitant about betting, so he raised me off my hand. Had I known he could pull that move, I would've had to think about it like this, "I bet weak, looked weak, and there's a scare card; he can bluff here." Doesn't matter if he can't get to the river with a bluff.So I guess all I'm saying is don't beat yourself up because you can't "read" their hands. Play your hands straight-up for value, call if you have a good hand, and try and bluff the tighter players. Rather than stress about putting fish on ranges, try and see how they approach poker, see what hands they're felting, and what they raise with, how they feel about building a pot, and if they try to bully people. That will all help you when it comes to catching bluffs. You were surprised that you had been called by so many people w/AK; don't be, no one likes to fold preflop. Raise your good hands up big, catch a good flop, and roll with it. Like there's a guy calling $26 pf with J7s. Soooooooooo bad. First time I played live I was totally shocked. Action routinely went limp x5, minraise, call x everyone. At one 50nl home game we had 3 limpers, a raise, and I 3-bet in the next seat to $15 w/JJ. 3 players called the 3-bet! (because I was not on Full Tilt, I flopped top set and held against the backdoor straight draw that called me all-in)

[KingJames 11]

lol novelstodays lesson: just because you know they have a weak made hand, doesn't mean they won't time back hero call youMilked from the teat of a feral cowFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB czak1992: $25.00 UTG Tha Grindurrrr: $34.85 UTG+1 Just_do_them: $25.00 CO pesien: $41.27 Button Hero: $27.47 SB Towa22: $8.75 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (6 players)Tha Grindurrrr raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.55) (2 players)Tha Grindurrrr checks, Hero bets $1, Tha Grindurrrr calls $1Turn: ($3.55) (2 players)Tha Grindurrrr checks, Hero bets $2.50, Tha Grindurrrr calls $2.50River: ($8.55) (2 players)Tha Grindurrrr checks, Hero bets $6, Tha Grindurrrr calls $6Tha Grindurrrr showed , and won ($19.53) with a pair of EightsHero showed , and lost with Ace King highTha Grindurrrr won $19.53(Rake: $1.02)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Cobalt... u are a nut teach me to pwn n00bs like you do.Srsly u are my personal hero eff all the other oldheads don't care who i offend

Ha. I mean...I don't know what to tell you. I'm personally a little sad that I'm a lifetime winner higher but have had to move down for the sake of reducing variance. Oh well...the hourly still beats most anything else.

[SuperJon 175]

lol novelstodays lesson: just because you know they have a weak made hand, doesn't mean they won't time back hero call youMilked from the teat of a feral cowFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB czak1992: $25.00 UTG Tha Grindurrrr: $34.85 UTG+1 Just_do_them: $25.00 CO pesien: $41.27 Button Hero: $27.47 SB Towa22: $8.75 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (6 players)Tha Grindurrrr raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.55) (2 players)Tha Grindurrrr checks, Hero bets $1, Tha Grindurrrr calls $1Turn: ($3.55) (2 players)Tha Grindurrrr checks, Hero bets $2.50, Tha Grindurrrr calls $2.50River: ($8.55) (2 players)Tha Grindurrrr checks, Hero bets $6, Tha Grindurrrr calls $6Tha Grindurrrr showed , and won ($19.53) with a pair of EightsHero showed , and lost with Ace King highTha Grindurrrr won $19.53(Rake: $1.02)

Sometimes I wonder how my win rate would be affected if I...1. Just let my opponent have it when he raises me on a dry board and I only have TP.2. Never called a 3bet 100bbs deep OOP unless villain has an absurdly high 3bet stat.3. Made a plan to bet/fold a river, and actually STUCK WITH THE PLAN.4. Didn't fire that third barrel when villain's range is obviously "I haz pair and no can foldz"

[KingJames 11]

meh, I like the bluff there. The board ran out well, I had a great idea what was going on and he was guessing/clicking buttons imoAssuming we make the adjustment and value bet him thinly etc I think it's okayThoughts?? I think villains range value range is like TT JT QJ K9 AK and way less combos of worse Jx or bluffsMilked from the teat of a feral cowFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersBB: $25.36 UTG: $12.79 CO: $40.63 Button: $43.73 (Hero)SB: $9.10 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (5 players)UTG folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.60, SB folds, BB calls $0.35Flop: ($1.30) (2 players)BB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10Turn: ($3.50) (2 players)BB bets $3.20, Hero calls $3.20River: ($9.90) (2 players)BB bets $8.20, Hero folds

[SuperJon 175]

I assume that player was a fish.That being the case, a lot of times, it's not going to matter how well the board runs out when you're trying to bluff them.

[KingJames 11]

I assume that player was a fish.That being the case, a lot of times, it's not going to matter how well the board runs out when you're trying to bluff them.

you're right. I'm over-betting the river next time

[KingJames 11]

Two really good threads on DC:C-betting: http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/8/281211Tilt: http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/8-Micr...-of-the-Week-Ti

[KingJames 11]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBtKQLv1TVU

[fighter 4]

vs an relatively unknown fishy type (60/20) Thoughts?We're getting 1.8-1 so we need 35% equity. Vs QQ we're like 24%If he show up with a spaz out a few time we're doing pretty well but maybe it's a sigh/fold?Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersCO: $8.77 Button: $25.00 (Hero)SB: $37.17 BB: $9.24 UTG: $7.89 UTG+1: $20.80 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with AK (6 players)[/color]UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6, UTG+1 calls $4.25Flop: ($12.35) (2 players)UTG+1 bets $14.80, and is all in, Hero calls $14.80

4bb sizing... vs a 9-12bb 3b I normally go like 24-27bbsVillain is 32/19/8% 3b which I'm sure is much higher sb vs btn....QT3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, SB raises to $2, BB folds, Hero raises to $5.50,

You could make it smaller. It would induce more calls though but most seem to be fit and fold in 4b pots anyway so free(ish) money.

utg+1 is a reg, 15/12/1.8 75% fold to 3b and 0/1 4b over 120 hands.CO is 60/7/1.5 over 90 hands. folded to 1/1 3bets so farI'd like to get the CO HU, so thoughts on sizing... utg+1 is a reg/nit... kinda interesting spotYour converted hand, now with more cowbell.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG: $25.35 UTG+1: $42.88 CO: $36.00 Button: $25.00 (Hero)SB: $12.34 BB: $27.11 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with KK (6 players)[/color]UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $3.50,

I like it. No real way you can screw up the sizing in this spot since you have a great hand and position. bigger because you think fish will call anyway, smaller because you want to keep the fish in. Its all good.

JT straight w flush riverCO checks, Hero has 15.75... any merit to betting $7 to get a crying call or just always jam?Villain is 46/31/2.5 over 52 hands. no real reads

Shove, his stats are too loose and this might be in his eyes a "good bluff card"

Villain is 31/21/6 with a 13.6% (3/22) 3b over 80 hands.I didn't want to fold or 4b pre... so calling sounded goot.Flop might be a riase/get it in, we've got good equity vs most of his value range and maybe I can a bit of fold equity vs some lower pairs and AQ or something... thoughts...QJFlop: ($3.10) 3KT (2 players)AJMcQueen78 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50Turn: ($6.10) T(2 players)[/color]AJMcQueen78 bets $1.75, Hero folds

raise flop, dont fold turn for < 1/3 pot

Same villain as above...KKFlop: ($2.90) Q9Q(3 players)[/color]Hero bets $2, AJMcQueen78 raises to $4, sondaika12 folds, Hero calls $2Turn: ($10.90) Jx(2 players)[/color]Hero checks, AJMcQueen78 bets $8.50, Hero folds

Make sure you take a note about the paired board min raise. I fold

Villain is 19/16/3AF over 249 hands7.8% 3b, 68% fold to cbet. He insta potted the turn after I betCows play poker with cow chipsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB SteezyFreezy: $26.59 UTG johnnyk1: $25.70 UTG+1 Postis Per: $19.93 CO Hero: $42.40 Button kingsluck: $41.39 SB alain282888: $17.21 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (6 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, kingsluck calls $0.75, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.85) (2 players)Hero bets $1.50, kingsluck calls $1.50Turn: ($4.85) (2 players)Hero bets $4, kingsluck raises to $16.25, Hero folds

Insta pot. I think that is pretty strong. I think this is a tough but good fold.

lol novelstodays lesson: just because you know they have a weak made hand, doesn't mean they won't time back hero call you

I would think about overbetting the river.

meh, I like the bluff there. The board ran out well, I had a great idea what was going on and he was guessing/clicking buttons imoAssuming we make the adjustment and value bet him thinly etc I think it's okayThoughts?? I think villains range value range is like TT JT QJ K9 AK and way less combos of worse Jx or bluffsMilked from the teat of a feral cowFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersBB: $25.36 UTG: $12.79 CO: $40.63 Button: $43.73 (Hero)SB: $9.10 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with KJ(5 players)[/color]UTG folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.60, SB folds, BB calls $0.35Flop: ($1.30) QxJxTx (2 players)[/color]BB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10Turn: ($3.50) JX (2 players)[/color]BB bets $3.20, Hero calls $3.20River: ($9.90) 4 (2 players)BB bets $8.20, Hero folds

Another good fold. I actually miss read this hand at first and thought you were the guy who raised pre and barrelled till river and wanted to know if you could value bet. I was at first unsure but breaking your hand down, villain can't have better then trips here but J9 is not a certainty to call and there should be less combos then AJ because of flop. If he is really good then he knows what I typed above. However hands don't randomly lead into the PFR on this flop so they have to have some equity to begin with.

[fighter 4]

If you care going to dump a bunch of hands in here can you use the text output on feral cow as FCP wont let me quote a bunch of images.

[KingJames 11]

If you care going to dump a bunch of hands in here can you use the text output on feral cow as FCP wont let me quote a bunch of images.

I dunno what that means.... I just click convert and copy/paste

[fighter 4]

http://www.feralcowpoker.com/poker-hand-hi...y-converter.php2+2 text only

Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 9 playersSB: $10.00 BB: $55.99 UTG: $23.59 UTG+1: $12.31 MP: $41.82 MP2: $27.64 (Hero)HJ: $39.24 CO: $25.10 Button: $62.49 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is MP2 with Ah 7s (9 players)3 folds, Hero folds, 4 foldsBB won $0.20(Rake: $0)

AIM

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 9 playersSB: $10.00BB: $55.99UTG: $23.59UTG+1: $12.31MP: $41.82MP2: $27.64 (Hero)HJ: $39.24CO: $25.10Button: $62.49Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is MP2 with Ah 7s (9 players)3 folds, Hero folds, 4 foldsBB won $0.20(Rake: $0)

midnight poker forum

Cows play poker with cow chipsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 9 playersSB: $10.00 BB: $55.99 UTG: $23.59 UTG+1: $12.31 MP: $41.82 MP2: $27.64 (Hero)HJ: $39.24 CO: $25.10 Button: $62.49 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is MP2 with Ah 7s (9 players)3 folds, Hero folds, 4 foldsBB won $0.20(Rake: $0)