SwolyswoND 1 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 A pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.01/$0.02 - 5 playersSB: $4.26 BB: $2.15 UTG: $2.00 (Hero)CO: $2.82 Button: $2.69 Preflop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with (5 players)Hero raises to $0.08, CO folds, Button calls $0.08, 2 foldsFlop: ($0.19) (2 players)Hero bets $0.13, Button calls $0.13Turn: ($0.45) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $0.45, Hero foldsButton won $0.42(Rake: $0.03)This fold left a bad taste in my mouth. I didn't check the turn with the intention of folding but the pot-sized bet is sooo ugly.Why is the PSB ugly? This is what fishes LOVE to do with air when they sense weakness. If he had Kx, he would've bet smaller to keep you in.I'm 99% sure you folded the best hand here. Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 oh no, a guy shoved in 80bb and we have AK. The only question here is if we snap call or super snap call.That spot is nowhere near as automatic as you make it out to be. I think I call too, but it's not remotely close to a snap. Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 oh no, a guy shoved in 80bb and we have AK. The only question here is if we snap call or super snap call.I can see this being a fold. It would be a "we are so excited that we run down the street trying to high five neighbors but forget to hit time bank and come back to our hand being mucked, fold" but fold none the less. Link to post Share on other sites
droberts 3 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 That spot is nowhere near as automatic as you make it out to be. I think I call too, but it's not remotely close to a snap.AK is he nuts at 6max imo. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I can see this being a fold. It would be a "we are so excited that we run down the street trying to high five neighbors but forget to hit time bank and come back to our hand being mucked, fold" but fold none the less.If you are folding here it is much better not to 3bet. I mean I hate money as much as the next man but 3b/folding AK for 80bb at 6m is just suicide. Particularly at 2nl. Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Why is the PSB ugly? This is what fishes LOVE to do with air when they sense weakness. If he had Kx, he would've bet smaller to keep you in.I'm 99% sure you folded the best hand here.I don't think we play the same 2nl. I don't even think you ever play 2nl. Link to post Share on other sites
Manign 0 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I did a search, but how do I use the hand converter? Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I did a search, but how do I use the hand converter? http://www.feralcowpoker.com/converter.php?version=1.11Copy the hand from your hand historyPaste it in the first squareConvertCopy everything from the 2nd squarePaste in here. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 full tilt punishing the 3bet call w/the 34oprobably should just shove flop but meh, wanted some spazz equityFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG ($11.97)MP ($9.60)Button ($10.52)Hero (SB) ($10.16)BB ($14.74)Preflop: Hero is SB with K , K UTG bets $0.35, 1 fold, Button calls $0.35, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1.40, UTG calls $1.15, Button calls $1.15Flop: ($6) 3 , 5 , 2 (4 players)Hero bets $3.20, BB raises to $13.24 (All-In), UTG calls $10.47 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $5.46 (All-In)Turn: ($35.60) 8 (3 players, 3 all-in)River: ($35.60) 8 (3 players, 3 all-in)Total pot: $35.60 | Rake: $2Results:Hero had K , K (two pair, Kings and eights).BB had 3 , 4 (two pair, eights and threes).UTG had Q , Q (two pair, Queens and eights).Outcome: Hero won $29.98, UTG won $3.62 Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I don't think we play the same 2nl. I don't even think you ever play 2nl.The stakes don't matter in this context. You folded the best hand. And no, I don't play 2NL. Never have never will. Link to post Share on other sites
Manign 0 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 First hand of the day, too. I'm still a newbie at this. Feral Cow PokerPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.01/$0.02 - 6 playersUTG: $1.12 UTG+1: $2.71 CO: $1.21 Button: $5.22 SB: $2.96 BB: $0.99 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.02, CO folds, Button raises to $0.08, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.20, UTG+1 folds, Button calls $0.12Flop: ($0.43) (2 players)Hero checks, Button checksTurn: ($0.43) (2 players)Hero bets $0.16, Button calls $0.16River: ($0.75) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20Button showed , and won ($1.10) with two pair, Aces and SixesHero mucked Button won $1.10(Rake: $0.05) Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 You were right to check the flop. But you have to follow that up and c/c the turn, even though I know it sucks when you hold KK. There's just not much you get value from. As played c/c the river is fine only because he bet so small. If it's close to pot I think I fold because there are literally zero draws that missed. Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 So I'm so frustrated with how I'm running (and tilting) on FT that I moved to Stars. Are I a fish? Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 No one believes in the FTP Riggedness more than I do but...I wouldn't actually change sites. At our limits there's no reason to do so. Still, you're a massive multitabler, so you should be able to get enough value from PStar's VIP program to compensate for the loss of RB. Link to post Share on other sites
Stupidhead 2 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 You were right to check the flop. But you have to follow that up and c/c the turn, even though I know it sucks when you hold KK. There's just not much you get value from. As played c/c the river is fine only because he bet so small. If it's close to pot I think I fold because there are literally zero draws that missed.Checking flop is good, but I don't agree that there isn't value here. QQ/99 is going to have a hard time folding after we checked the flop. Betting half pot on the turn and one third to half pot on the river should get some crying calls from those hands. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 First hand of the day, too. I'm still a newbie at this. Feral Cow PokerPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.01/$0.02 - 6 playersUTG: $1.12 UTG+1: $2.71 CO: $1.21 Button: $5.22 SB: $2.96 BB: $0.99 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.02, CO folds, Button raises to $0.08, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.20, UTG+1 folds, Button calls $0.12Flop: ($0.43) (2 players)Hero checks, Button checksTurn: ($0.43) (2 players)Hero bets $0.16, Button calls $0.16River: ($0.75) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20Button showed , and won ($1.10) with two pair, Aces and SixesHero mucked Button won $1.10(Rake: $0.05)3-bet a little bigger imo, then what SH said Link to post Share on other sites
Manign 0 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 What about this 3bet? Certainly made him fold, but did I get good value?beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.01/$0.02 - 6 playersSB: $3.74 BB: $2.39 UTG: $2.80 UTG+1: $0.98 (Hero)CO: $2.00 Button: $1.69 Preflop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)UTG raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.30, 5 foldsHero collected $0.15(Rake: $0) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 Too big... .22 imo Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 Also, don't post results if you have a serious questionIf it's a BBV post, results are fine, but they bias people in strat discussion, yo Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Checking flop is good, but I don't agree that there isn't value here. QQ/99 is going to have a hard time folding after we checked the flop. Betting half pot on the turn and one third to half pot on the river should get some crying calls from those hands.I would agree with this if villain didn't open from the BTN. QQ-99 is just such a small part of his range here that I think the c/c turn is better to let him fire one shell with his air. If turn checks through, then obviously we bet the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Stupidhead 2 Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I would agree with this if villain didn't open from the BTN. QQ-99 is just such a small part of his range here that I think the c/c turn is better to let him fire one shell with his air. If turn checks through, then obviously we bet the river.We don't know whether he'll fire a bullet at this pot or not. And if he decides to double barrel with air we're going to be guessing at the river whether to call or not.Check calling isn't bad by any means since there aren't any bad river cards for us if he checks behind. But without knowing his bluffing tendencies I'd prefer to just bet and get value from the hands I know he'll put in money with. Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 No one believes in the FTP Riggedness more than I do but...I wouldn't actually change sites. At our limits there's no reason to do so. Still, you're a massive multitabler, so you should be able to get enough value from PStar's VIP program to compensate for the loss of RB.Eh... maybe... I'd have to stay committed to stars and only stars... looks like you don't start getting real VIP payoffs until you get SuperNova Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Eh... maybe... I'd have to stay committed to stars and only stars... looks like you don't start getting real VIP payoffs until you get SuperNovaI've been stuck at Bronze since December, of course I've just moved up to 10NL and I only 4 table.I might break Silver this month, but not sure yet. Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 That's just a function of the microlimits Jon... I should be silverstar by tomorrow. Once you hit 25NL points/rake start movin Link to post Share on other sites
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