"calling Station"

[_Great_Dane_ 0]

Some people feel that Daniel is a calling station, making calls on the river when he has a good impression that he's beaten. One point to this strategy is to reduce the chances that a player will try to bluff in the future.If you want to see Daniel make a bunch of calls when it's obvious to him that he won't win, watch ESPN from 11 pm to 3 am ET tonight for the WSOP circuit event in Tunica. You'll see a bunch of "bad calls" that he made.Oh, and by the way, he won that tournament. So, I guess there must be a strategy in making these "bad calls" huh?

[Dr_Shakes 0]

He also does it to get a read on player by getting to see his hand... a great value to Daniel.

[profxavier9 0]

hi im a calling station. what do you want?

[pbcsurfer 0]

I love when he calls the that guys bluff out, and laughs in his face, getting the guy to push, when Dn shows a set of 9's, classic.

[Jdr999 0]

Daniel plays better against amateurs than he does against seasoned professionals. (At least in televised tournaments and cash games).

[EStormOk 0]

Did you use the search function to see if this had been discussed before? Geez.

[_Great_Dane_ 0]

Did you use the search function to see if this had been discussed before? Geez.

I did not use the search function to see if anyone else started a thread to let everyone know that Daniel made a bunch of calls when it's obvious to him that he won't win, and that they can watch it on ESPN from 11 pm to 3 am ET tonight for the WSOP circuit event in Tunica. I started the thread as it happened on ESPN.Just sayin.' Geez.

[Naslund44 0]

Daniel plays better against amateurs than he does against seasoned professionals. (At least in televised tournaments and cash games).

O'RLY?

[FourFlusher 0]

Excuse me...what time and channel was that?

[EStormOk 0]

I did not use the search function to see if anyone else started a thread to let everyone know that Daniel made a bunch of calls when it's obvious to him that he won't win, and that they can watch it on ESPN from 11 pm to 3 am ET tonight for the WSOP circuit event in Tunica. I started the thread as it happened on ESPN.Just sayin.' Geez.

I'm just saying a bump of an old thread (if one exists) would have been an appropriate way to have let everyone know that it was taking place AGAIN tonight.

[CzechRazor 0]

I did not use the search function to see if anyone else started a thread to let everyone know that Daniel made a bunch of calls when it's obvious to him that he won't win, and that they can watch it on ESPN from 11 pm to 3 am ET tonight for the WSOP circuit event in Tunica. I started the thread as it happened on ESPN.Just sayin.' Geez.

Isn't it so petty when someone points out a similar thread? Man, I hate those douchebags because they obviously have no lives and track everything.Oh, wait. My bad, bro.Well, not really. Just sayin'. Heh.

[beans422 0]

Back on topic...I would think that Daniel has been playing long enough to show everyone that he's not one to be bluffed. Add to that fact that it's def not +EV to call with inferior hands to prove a point over and over again. So I don't buy the reason DN's calling down when he puts his opponents on a better hand is for table image reasons. The thing with reads is that you're never really 100% sure of them so sometimes you have to call with the 2nd best to see for yourself. I agree that DN has his reasons for making the calls that he makes, I just disagree that he's doing it to discourage future bluffs.

[pokerfriendly 0]

Back on topic...I would think that Daniel has been playing long enough to show everyone that he's not one to be bluffed. Add to that fact that it's def not +EV to call with inferior hands to prove a point over and over again. So I don't buy the reason DN's calling down when he puts his opponents on a better hand is for table image reasons. The thing with reads is that you're never really 100% sure of them so sometimes you have to call with the 2nd best to see for yourself. I agree that DN has his reasons for making the calls that he makes, I just disagree that he's doing it to discourage future bluffs.

bump

[chowds4 0]

I love when he calls the that guys bluff out, and laughs in his face, getting the guy to push, when Dn shows a set of 9's, classic.

-that guy is chad brown- a very successful tournament pro....also, DN didn't have a set of 9's, he had trips...

[mtdesmoines 2]

Back on topic...I would think that Daniel has been playing long enough to show everyone that he's not one to be bluffed.

It's not bluffing when you have the better hand.

[Mercury69 3]

Any lip room left on DN's sphincter?

[CrazyJoe 0]

Some people feel that Daniel is a calling station, making calls on the river when he has a good impression that he's beaten. One point to this strategy is to reduce the chances that a player will try to bluff in the future.If you want to see Daniel make a bunch of calls when it's obvious to him that he won't win, watch ESPN from 11 pm to 3 am ET tonight for the WSOP circuit event in Tunica. You'll see a bunch of "bad calls" that he made.Oh, and by the way, he won that tournament. So, I guess there must be a strategy in making these "bad calls" huh?

not saying you're wrong, but the fact that he won this particular tournament making those calls means next to nothing.

[jjdylan 0]

Oh, and by the way, he won that tournament. So, I guess there must be a strategy in making these "bad calls" huh?

But we're not results oriented now, are we?

[runthemover 39]

when I opened this thread I thought you needed to make a robot or something...carry on

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

I did not use the search function to see if anyone else started a thread to let everyone know that Daniel made a bunch of calls when it's obvious to him that he won't win, and that they can watch it on ESPN from 11 pm to 3 am ET tonight for the WSOP circuit event in Tunica. I started the thread as it happened on ESPN.Just sayin.' Geez.

HEY FORUM NAZI, POKER ON TV FORUM, PLZKTHX..oh, and, what the fuck was the point of this thread?

[runthemover 39]

..oh, and, what the fuck was the point of this thread?

great dane is my joke account. I just wanted to post a picture of station from bill n ted's bogus journey

[checkymcfold 0]

But we're not results oriented now, are we?

well, no. but the thing about making calls when you're pretty sure you're behind is twofold: first, you lose some chips; second, you get some info.sometimes the second thing balances out the first. sometimes it doesn't. the odd thing is that the better the player you are--the more focused, the more adaptive, the better a memory you have--the more profitable you can become after gaining a certain amount of information from a player. i wouldn't doubt that daniel is more likely to "make bad calls" against amateurs because they play more predictably, and that thereby those bad calls can actually become profitable long term because the information they provide proves to be more useful than the x amount of chips lost in getting it.this is a level of thinking that most of us don't have--the ability to make moves, calls, whatever, that are "incorrect" in the short term and turn them into so many more "correct" moves later on that the short term mistake is not only paid for, but in fact turned into such good information that that opponent's chips are going to eventually become daniel's. to be honest, that was the most fascinating thing that i got out of watching the tunica event: since the cameras were obviously on daniel's nuts the whole time, we got to see more of these sorts of plays than we usually do when we watch the big name guys. i don't doubt that all of them do this to some degree whenever they play big stack tournament poker, but i really felt like i was able to learn a huge lesson about this kind of thinking by watching 3 or 4 (however long it was, i forget) hours of daniel during that event.it was pretty rad.yes, i said rad.

[nutzbuster 7]

well, no. but the thing about making calls when you're pretty sure you're behind is twofold: first, you lose some chips; second, you get some info.sometimes the second thing balances out the first. sometimes it doesn't. the odd thing is that the better the player you are--the more focused, the more adaptive, the better a memory you have--the more profitable you can become after gaining a certain amount of information from a player. i wouldn't doubt that daniel is more likely to "make bad calls" against amateurs because they play more predictably, and that thereby those bad calls can actually become profitable long term because the information they provide proves to be more useful than the x amount of chips lost in getting it.this is a level of thinking that most of us don't have--the ability to make moves, calls, whatever, that are "incorrect" in the short term and turn them into so many more "correct" moves later on that the short term mistake is not only paid for, but in fact turned into such good information that that opponent's chips are going to eventually become daniel's. to be honest, that was the most fascinating thing that i got out of watching the tunica event: since the cameras were obviously on daniel's nuts the whole time, we got to see more of these sorts of plays than we usually do when we watch the big name guys. i don't doubt that all of them do this to some degree whenever they play big stack tournament poker, but i really felt like i was able to learn a huge lesson about this kind of thinking by watching 3 or 4 (however long it was, i forget) hours of daniel during that event.it was pretty rad.yes, i said rad.

Mmmmmmmmmmm.....RAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddd.....That's in "my neighborhood".

[ROGUE06 0]

DN is such a calling station. Just saw that sick read he put on Sexton having KK but DN is a huge donk and decided to call the value bet on the river anyways to make a donk play and check to see his amazing read was right.

[AcesUp46 0]

DN is such a calling station. Just saw that sick read he put on Sexton having KK but DN is a huge donk and decided to call the value bet on the river anyways to make a donk play and check to see his amazing read was right.

Totally agree with you. He made a sick read (calling out precisely KK instead of a range of possible hands) but that sick read is useless if you cannot trust it.