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[psujohn 0]

Even though I'm a staunch liberal (actually probably closer to libertarian) and think that Bush is by far the most dangerous threat to America I actually sort of supported the war before it happened. On humanitarian grounds. I didn't believe then any of the bullshit we were being sold about weapons of mass destruction or Iraq's connection to 9/11. Let's face it we went into this under false pretenses at best. And you have to say that good or bad our execution has been somewhere below miserable.I don't talk much about politics because I don't really understand how anyone can support this president in the slightest. In 20 years I don't think he'll be regarded as a "great president". I think he'll be regarded in the same way we regard Senator McCarthy. Bush has acted illegally (wiretaps, torture, illegal detension of citizens, etc) so often that I really can't understand how he hasn't been removed from office. It really saddens me that so many Americans are so ignorant about the constitution and so willing to give up their rights in the face of fear. Fear of a threat that - while real - is extremely unlikely to affect any of them directly.I've been one of those guys that always voted in every election because I thought it mattered. At this point I'm so disillusioned with American politics and the lack of political knowlege of American citizens that I'm not sure I want to vote again. In some ways I just want to sit back and wait for the revolution that I suspect is coming.

[Mercury69 3]

Where's Kanye West when you need his voice of reason?

[1969_F85 0]

"I believe with every fiber in my being that Americans are ready to unite our states and do great things. They are ready to meet the challenges they fully understand and can articulate. They're ready to change the nation; and they know they can change the world to make it better and safer and more fair."-- Senator Joe BidenMission StatementUnite Our States I was very active in the previous 2 elections for President, being from Indiana I know that is almost pointless since Indiana is one of the first to be declared a "red" state, but I try anyway. I think that the next election needs to be someone who really wants to UNITE the nation again. Joe Biden is the leader in this and many other fronts. Just something to start the thought process going on WHO can carry this Nation back to greatness, both here and around the world. Flame on!

[kkcountry 0]

I know Godwin's Law says it'll happen eventually, but damn, you guys just broke right through the curve!

[Mercury69 3]

I know Godwin's Law says it'll happen eventually, but damn, you guys just broke right through the curve!

What are you? Some kind of Godwin's Law Nazi?

[Dr_Shakes 0]

I've been one of those guys that always voted in every election because I thought it mattered. At this point I'm so disillusioned with American politics and the lack of political knowlege of American citizens that I'm not sure I want to vote again. In some ways I just want to sit back and wait for the revolution that I suspect is coming.

There is no revolution coming (maybe if gas hits 5 dollars a gallon and all our TV's are confiscated). So please vote! A few other notes - as far as doing it for moral purposes the Kurds were gassed I think in the eighties, talk about a delayed reaction. "Kurdistan" was already protected by a no fly zone so not much has changed in that region even after the war.

[IQCrash 1]

Meh. I hate political discussions. Combine politics with religion, and a meltdown is inevitable. Before such meltdown, however, I wanted to throw in my two cents.I'm a Republican. I've voted party live every election since my 18th birthday. I am a South Park Republican - socially liberal, and fiscally conservative. I believe in gay marriage and women's rights, but I stand behind smaller government, lower taxes, and an abolishment of our welfare state.All that being said, I also dislike our current administration. I think they've done a lot to hurt not only the country, but the Republican party here internally in the US. The last election was the first time in over ten years that I did not vote. It was a tough decision, but it was my way of voicing disapproval.Regarding the religious debate.I was born in Beirut, Lebanon. My first home was was turned to rubble during the civil war there in 1977 (the year I was born). I have seen first hand the extent to which "muslim rage" goes.Having been born in Beirut and forced to immigrate to the US when I was just 1 because of the war, this hits closer to home for me - especially considering I still have family living in Beirut.Having said that, it's no understatement to categorize the Hezbollah (and every other militant islamic group) as animals. Lebanon's always been a country divided - a clear line drawn between the christians and the muslims there. I've seen first-hand pictures of what a lot of those people are capable of - pregnant women dead in the streets - raped and violated before being sliced open.We, for the most part, live in a sheltered civilized world on this end of the planet - but make no mistake, stereotypes and generalizations start somewhere - and they are well-grounded when it comes to the militant islamic organizations currently in power in the middle east.I say annihilate them all, and let's reboot this entire fricking planet. It's long overdue.

[alf13 0]

"I believe with every fiber in my being that Americans are ready to unite our states and do great things. They are ready to meet the challenges they fully understand and can articulate. They're ready to change the nation; and they know they can change the world to make it better and safer and more fair."-- Senator Joe BidenMission StatementUnite Our States I was very active in the previous 2 elections for President, being from Indiana I know that is almost pointless since Indiana is one of the first to be declared a "red" state, but I try anyway. I think that the next election needs to be someone who really wants to UNITE the nation again. Joe Biden is the leader in this and many other fronts. Just something to start the thought process going on WHO can carry this Nation back to greatness, both here and around the world. Flame on!

Joe Biden is a Plagerist...he is also the most divisive moron in that chamber of morons they call teh senate. I would rather set my eyes on fire than have that idiot as president.

[1969_F85 0]

Plagerist? HAHAHAHA!!! Better than a racist war mongering oil baron. Ok, enough of that. We'll see how it plays out in 08.

[Dr_Shakes 0]

Joe Biden is a Plagerist...he is also the most divisive moron in that chamber of morons they call teh senate. I would rather set my eyes on fire than have that idiot as president.

Light your eyes on fire.Hillary it is then!

[DonkSlayer 1]

Is this country doomed to be split in half?

I think we might be closer to that than some people realize (or want to.)I think the vehemence that has shown up over the last 16 years or so in politics is a result of a cultural divide in our country, not just a product of head-butting politics. We have had 2 administrations and 4 Congresses that have been very partisan, whether their actions were so or not...and unfortunately, our 2-party system led by non-moderates have forced most of us moderates/centrists to either end, making us prioritize things like free-market capitalism and strong defense over our moderate feelings on social issues (such as in my case.)I want leaders like McCain, Guiliani, Mark Warner, Joe Lieberman and others to either win it all or lose it all. That'll be the only way the country will drift back to the middle and unite (losing it all = new middle party!)

Plagerist? HAHAHAHA!!! Better than a racist war mongering oil baron. Ok, enough of that. We'll see how it plays out in 08.

http://prorev.com/electmap.htmhttp://prorev.com/amline5.htmBest of luck to you. If McCain or Giuliani run, you're in bad, bad shape to even get the presidency. These came from a lefty site, btw.

[1969_F85 0]

Great. It is nice to see some actual intelligence instead of just blasting away. I know I may be opening myself up for some serious stoning, but wouldn't it be nice to have say, a Democratic President and a Replican V.P.? We almost had that in 2000 if Gore would have won the electoral vote instead of the popular vote. HAHA!!

[eYank 0]

hi there, im usually pretty queit about my political views, but on this one i decided to speak up.i met one of my best friends, mahmood, when i was in 5th grade, he and his family are from Iraq. i am 21 now and still consider him one of my closest friends. when we were just starting high school, mahmoods family finally explained to him why they had moved from Iraq to the US when he was just a baby. his father used to be one of the highest generals in the Iraqi army up until the late 80s when saddam put a mark on his head, and all the other highest ranking officers of the military that stood against him. so in the middle of the night they snuck out of their mansion in Iraq and fled with the aid of the US. he was an advisor throughout both conflicts with iraq all the way up until saddams regime fell from power. when his dad talked about what was going on over there, and how the attrocities that he saw with his own eyes were so barbaric, he fully supported the US and the rest of the UN's participation in his home country. he explained to me how many lives we've saved. this is a man who was a very patriotic Iraqi, and told how he never in his wildest dreams would have thought he woudl be run out of his own country. mahmoods family found out after they left that their mansions had been destroyed by bombs and burned to the ground by saddams forces. 2 years ago mahmood and his father, and brother went back to iraq to try and help restructure the government, helping with the elections. mahmood worked as an interpreter and his father a diplomatic relations officer. unfortunately, about 16 months ago, mahmoods father was abducted by supporters of saddamm. they put forth ransom demands, but all attempts to contact them again to make the agreement failed, and the authorities and mahmoods family havent heard any news about their abducted loved one. after this happened his brother moved back here, but mahmood is still there, searching for what happened to his dad. i talk to his brother still on a regular basis, and when he got back he explained to me how necessary this war is, and how we ARE doing a good thing by being there. he said his family loves america like they love iraq. our country is ****ed up, and our leader is an idiot, and i bet bush doesnt give 2 shiits about the people in iraq really. he is probably doing this to push his stagnant economy back up. but we are doing a good thing. take it as you will

most people dont understand this, they think we went into Iraq for the oil or just to push our beliefs everywhere. So maybe we didnt find Weapons of Mass Destruction but we saved people from being tortured, what do you think those mass graves we have found just got there. This is the work of Sadaam and I believe when we leave Iraq, it will be in a better state then how it was before we got there.

Is this country doomed to be split in half? Where half the country can't be friends with the other half? That's not a good thing in my opinion, but is seems more and more that, that's exactly what we have in this country. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground with the current administration. People either love what Bush has done here, or others are baffled by the decisions he's made. Personally, I have no idea who I'd support in the next election. I don't vote along party lines. I'm not a hater of Replicans, and I'm not apposed to the Democratic party either. I'm not blue, I'm not red.

Yes, but I think that is only with our current President although now people are attributing it to the republican party overall and not electing local republicans because they are the same party as Bush. I (having just got the right to vote by turning 18 this year) want to do similar to what you do where not vote for a candidate just because he is Republican or Democrat but because he (or she) will do what will benefit me.Just my opinions

[DonkSlayer 1]

Great. It is nice to see some actual intelligence instead of just blasting away. I know I may be opening myself up for some serious stoning, but wouldn't it be nice to have say, a Democratic President and a Replican V.P.? We almost had that in 2000 if Gore would have won the electoral vote instead of the popular vote. HAHA!!

No, it gets really weird. Here in VA, we elect the Lt. Gov. and Gov. separately, and they are often of two different parties. I think the Lt. Gov does even less when he/she is of another party. It's really asinine. Good idea, but doesn't work.I mean really, look at Ct. It's such a great example of where Americans REALLY are. Who the wingers vote for in the prelims is not a good example. Lieberman LOST (by 5 points!) the Democratic Party nomination for Senate in Connecticut, but he will win the general election by at least that much running as an independent.

[eYank 0]

ok these are just terrible and I find very offensive. Bush has not killed over 6 million peopleIm not even going to get into how i feel of these..

[icemanrulz 0]

Wanted to post my thoughts on this but I might lose it so ........I think I will pass.

[alf13 0]

Plagerist? HAHAHAHA!!! Better than a racist war mongering oil baron. Ok, enough of that. We'll see how it plays out in 08.

We are talking about Bush...not Al Gore.

[psujohn 0]

Read the book Fixing Elections. It's basically about the problems created by our two party winner take all election process. A process btw that we NEVER recommend when helping other countries move to free elections. We have a system that virtually guarantees that 49% of the country will feel that their government doesn't represent their views. This also allows farcical situations like pushing through a bill to ban online gambling when a significant majority of the country thinks it should be legal.There's a simple solution to this - even without a constitutional ammendment. Have each state's electoral votes divided proportionally rather than winner take all. It'll never happen though since the Dems control states like Mass and won't want to give up a portion of their Dem votes and Reps contol states like, well like all those in the middle, and won't want to give up a portion of their votes.We could also stand with some bigger/harder changes like instant runoff elections, 2 days (min) of voting including a Saturday, and reducing the disproportional power of small population states. All of this though would require our politicians to care more about the country than about their own personal interests so it's extremely unlikely.

[Dr_Shakes 0]

most people dont understand this, they think we went into Iraq for the oil or just to push our beliefs everywhere. So maybe we didnt find Weapons of Mass Destruction but we saved people from being tortured, what do you think those mass graves we have found just got there. This is the work of Sadaam and I believe when we leave Iraq, it will be in a better state then how it was before we got there.Yes, but I think that is only with our current President although now people are attributing it to the republican party overall and not electing local republicans because they are the same party as Bush. I (having just got the right to vote by turning 18 this year) want to do similar to what you do where not vote for a candidate just because he is Republican or Democrat but because he (or she) will do what will benefit me.Just my opinions

We saved people from being tortured except for the ones we tortured although I will admit not on the same scale. The removal of a torturing dictator may be a benefit of invading Iraq but it certainly wasn't the reason we were told that we needed to invade Iraq. When we leave Iraq (at least a decade) it may be a better place, I'm not sure but will we have a better State?

[drumbum 0]

The biggest problem I have with all this is that the Men and Women of our Military (which I can proudly say I was a member of during Desert Storm) took an oath to defend and protect thier country. Not an oath to defend somebody else's.Now Im not totally heartless and I do believe that taking Sadam out of power has saved many lives over there, but at what cost, thousands of american lives. Bush has sent our troop into a guerilla war where the other side has the advantage of blending in and hiding while our troops stand out and get slaughtered.

[spinnuh 0]

"I personally believe (just an opinion) that Bush hates Muslims. Then again, I don't think he cares much about black people either."Personally I wouldn't be suprised if Bush blew up the levees in New Orleans himself, he probably took Air Force 1 down there and him and Cheney had a ball. I mean come on people...we all knew he was a dirty racist piece of texan trash when we elected him. Its not like he has the most racially diverse group of advisors in the past CENTURY. Oh yeah, and the Iraq war, this is obviously a modern day christian crusade. I mean what is the worst that could've happened if we left Saddam in power? Its not like he was going to bomb tens of thousands of innocent civilians just because they belong to the minority sect, AGAIN! Definately not, a man with that kind of moral and ethical stature, how can we judge him based on a history of mass genocide? Bush sucks! Power to the flower people!

you're a ****ing moronwe all know if you were in charge of the country, you would make all the right decisions but wait your turnim not sure if they would elect a president who has worked at mcdonalds his whole life, but good luck to you, and i look forward to the day someone like you, who can satisfy everyone in the whole country, is the president

[Scanner313 0]

Personally, I have no idea who I'd support in the next election. I don't vote along party lines. I'm not a hater of Replicans, and I'm not apposed to the Democratic party either. I'm not blue, I'm not red.

I could be wrong Daniel, but I think you would fit well in the Libertarian party. Firm believers that as adults we can think for ourselves. I'm sure not everyone here will agree, but one thing is for certain, if we had a Libertarian Congress and Senate we wouldn't have to worry about a bunch of self-righteous, overpriveledged blowhards deciding whether or not they feel WE should be allowed to play on-line poker.I don't HATE any party either, as everyone has certain reasons for their beliefs. But I don't understand why people stick to the 2 major parties as if they are the only option when there are others out there that may fit their beliefs so much more closely. I guess it's the human desire to be part of the group. To go along with what everyone else you know is doing/supporting. It takes courage to stand against what everyone else believes, and I truly believe we have a lot of weak people in this country. And I'm certainly not saying that if you support the major parties that you're weak, but I think many people do so blindly simply because they are.I'm not going to stand here and preach or lecture the forum that the Libertarian party is right and all others are wrong, but for me they are the one that makes sense to me. I researched their platform and consciously made that decision. I just wish this country would wake up and do the same, because I don't think MOST Americans care enough to look outside the norm. They accept the things they don't like about their party because they dislike the other side so much more. Well, there are more than 2 options here people.Anyway, the only political argument I'm going to make here is that people should be allowed to make decisions about their own lives, and they should have to live with the consequences of their decisions. The 2 majors in this country do not believe this to be true. They treat us all like children who are incapable of making decisions about our money, bodies, hobbies, etc. How ANYONE can support either party under those circumstances is just baffling to me. As an adult, I don't want anyone telling me what I can and can't do when it has no effect on anyone else. There are always going to be people who can't restrain themselves when involved in a certain activity, but that certainlyshouldn't be a reason why the rest of us (who can control ourselves) can't partake in that activity. OK, I'm off my box now.

All of this though would require our politicians to care more about the country than about their own personal interests so it's extremely unlikely.

You hit the nail on the head. Our electoral system makes no sense in the world of today. Every person's vote could be accounted for and yet the electoral vote system proved in 2000 that a guy with less overall votes can still win the election. It's idiotic. There are so many things that should be changed and OUR elected leaders won't do it because they know it'll have repercussions that they can't predict. I mean, god forbid our system should actually represent the true will of the people of America. That would be wrong!

[mpcoan 0]

Bush has acted illegally (wiretaps, torture, illegal detension of citizens, etc) so often that I really can't understand how he hasn't been removed from office. It really saddens me that so many Americans are so ignorant about the constitution and so willing to give up their rights in the face of fear.

You forgot the perjury...He should've been removed from office after that...Oh, wrong president.

[ripptyde 0]

I really don't believe that political 'parties' even matter anymore. Republican, Democrat or Purple Headed People Eaters...it's mostly the same self-serving career politicians who are not concerned about the American publics welfare and only care about their own interests and line their own pockets.Naturally there are a handful of congressman and elected officials who truly have a passion for this country and its citizens, and don't fall under the aforementioned description...but unfortunately they are a huge minority and have little, if any political clout or influence in Washington.Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. Winston Churchill 1947 This country is about MONEY. Its as simple as that. Its not about protecting the rights of its citizens...its not about democracy or preserving the ideals defined in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Its about special interests milking John Q Public for every last red cent. It doesn't matter one damn bit if Bill Clinton, George Bush or Ronald Mc Donald is in the White House...the American public is going to get the shaft. Always have...always will.As far as George Bush and his posse' of henchmen goes, I think this administration and its captain have done more damage to this country than we can possibly imagine. Never before in this countries history has a president done so much to erode our civil liberties. 9/11 has been one giant whitewash and the American public has bought it...hook, line and sinker."It works like a charm. A fearful people are the easiest to govern. Their freedom and liberty can be taken away, and they can be convinced to believe that it was done for their own good - to give them security. They can be convinced to give up their liberty - voluntarily." --Gene E. Franchini, retired Chief Justice of the New Mexico Supreme Court, 12 September 2003 The problem with the American people is that we all have this cool buzz going...we have our flat screen TV's, high speed internet, hybrid cars, TIVO, timeshares, and boob jobs....but nobody seems to care about anyone else anymore. Its all about who can screw the other guy better and profit from it. We are a GREED driven society. So as long as everything is hunky dory and all the bills are paid....WHO CARES about the other guy. IMO this country is in for a SERIOUS wake up call within 5-10 years. (if not sooner) I think we are going to get spanked so hard that 9/11 is going to look like a tupperware party. Pandoras Box was opened when we invaded Iraq and now there are 100,000 little Bin Ladens in a dozen middle eastern countries in training... who will gladly give their lives to destroy us and everything we claim to represent. When a tactical nuclear weapon goes off in downtown L.A. or Vegas or some other major city...you can thank George Bush for it.God I hate this president...I have to stop writing now. Thinking about how great this country COULD be, and what it has become in the last 6 years saddens me beyond words...and quite frankly is a source for a lot of my personal depression. I'm losing faith in humanity lately, and its difficult to stay positive and upbeat when John Q Public gets sodomized on a daily basis.

[LITTLEPOPPA 0]

If there is one thing I've learned after writing the blog it's that too many people are unable to seperate someone's politic views with their view of that person. It's amazing really, and frankly, it's the key reason most people in the public eye shy away from any political discussion. I never expected to have everyone agree with me that Bush is a lousy president, but I foolishly expected that people would be able to disagree without losing it. If people in this country can't even deal with those that disagree with them, well, that doesn't exactly bode well for disagreements with other countries and their respective cultures. Is this country doomed to be split in half? Where half the country can't be friends with the other half? That's not a good thing in my opinion, but is seems more and more that, that's exactly what we have in this country. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground with the current administration. People either love what Bush has done here, or others are baffled by the decisions he's made. Personally, I have no idea who I'd support in the next election. I don't vote along party lines. I'm not a hater of Replicans, and I'm not apposed to the Democratic party either. I'm not blue, I'm not red.

Daniel in order for a educated discussion to happen you need to make a point, hence then we can discuss like normal people and we can give our counterpoint. You are spouting flaming generalities with no substance, therefore we are going by what it seems you are implying. Things like, Bush sucks and the President of Iran seems like a cool customer and he would be a good poker player leaves a lot to the imagination. Not liking decisions that Bush has made is fine, saying that and not listing any is your error as it seems you dont really know why you dont like bush, other than what you hear on tv or saw in Michael Moore's move Farenheit 911. We all saw the same movies and shows but went a few layers down in the onion to 1. check on the validity of these things and 2. to be able to come up with an opinion by knowing details on both sides in the argumentamazing still is the fact that with all the terrible things the leader of Iran said..you came away with :he had a lot of good points against bush"again you were oly waiting to hear what validated your thoughts and missed the forest thru the trees...and yes there is a reason people in the public eye dont comment on political issues...hint hint...you want to talk about Jack Bauer or Boston Rob fine, be as general or as specific as you please, but when u decide to comment on issues about the USA and its politics with biased views on either side of the spectrum....a recommendationDONT BRING A KNIFE TO A GUNFIGHT....