From The Pages Of Bluff - Jamie Gold Interview. Question:

[doox 15]

I'll manually type in the section from the interview that I read. Let me just say, this guy sounds like a total tool, but I'm guessing most of the people here already have that point of view, except for Jack Harris. This is taken from the point where he was talking about amassing a huge stack and how people would be upset when he got moved to their table:"So every day I'd come to the table and everyone would freak out, and there'd be this guy sitting next to me who was practically in tears because he knew could never raise a hand. So I said, "No, listen, think about it like this: No one can raise you, because they're raising me after you. You're in a great spot, and here's the deal. In return for this protection, every time I tell you to lay down your hand, you lay down your hand. And they all said okay. So I would look at my cards before the guy to my right, and then I'd say, 'OK, you're cool; proceed...' or 'Nope. Lay it down.'So I never had anyone to act before me - at all. And so it would always come down to me and the guy on my left - my small blind; his big blind - and I'd say, 'That's my money!' (laughs) I'd tell them, 'Here's our deal: I'm going to raise you every time. If you come over the top and you don't show me your cards to prove you had a better hand than me, I'm going to take you out.' It was a friendly thing, not a mean thing, and every single person went along with it."***********************************************Ok, now obviously the 2nd "deal" isn't necessarily wrong - it's just him being a bully with a big stack. But the first "deal" he made with the people to his right? Tell me that isn't collusion that he just admitted to in this interview. Anyone else think that's legit?

[Steamed Rice 0]

im pretty sure the dealer would have called the floor over if it was really going on...youre probably reading too much into it

[TheCorporation3 0]

I'll manually type in the section from the interview that I read. Let me just say, this guy sounds like a total tool, but I'm guessing most of the people here already have that point of view, except for Jack Harris. This is taken from the point where he was talking about amassing a huge stack and how people would be upset when he got moved to their table:"So every day I'd come to the table and everyone would freak out, and there'd be this guy sitting next to me who was practically in tears because he knew could never raise a hand. So I said, "No, listen, think about it like this: No one can raise you, because they're raising me after you. You're in a great spot, and here's the deal. In return for this protection, every time I tell you to lay down your hand, you lay down your hand. And they all said okay. So I would look at my cards before the guy to my right, and then I'd say, 'OK, you're cool; proceed...' or 'Nope. Lay it down.'So I never had anyone to act before me - at all. And so it would always come down to me and the guy on my left - my small blind; his big blind - and I'd say, 'That's my money!' (laughs) I'd tell them, 'Here's our deal: I'm going to raise you every time. If you come over the top and you don't show me your cards to prove you had a better hand than me, I'm going to take you out.' It was a friendly thing, not a mean thing, and every single person went along with it."***********************************************Ok, now obviously the 2nd "deal" isn't necessarily wrong - it's just him being a bully with a big stack. But the first "deal" he made with the people to his right? Tell me that isn't collusion that he just admitted to in this interview. Anyone else think that's legit?

Yeah I heard about this too. It's really weird that he got away with doing that. Anyway, Gold is a tool. And no, I don't hate him just because he won 12 million. Hachem is cool in my books, and so is Raymer. Anyone that hasn't heart Gold's radio interview needs to listen to it before deciding if he is a "good" guy or not. Clearly, he is not.

[doox 15]

I'm reading it straight from the pages of the magazine - word for word. To me, telling a player what to do with their own cards based on your own holding before it is your turn to act is collusion.

[MasterLJ 0]

He can suggest anything he wants at the table. If people go along with it... what can you do?It was overt collusion I guess. Or it could be interpretted as the power of suggestion

[showstopper24 0]

It does seem like you are reading too much into it.

[doox 15]

Please explain how I can be reading too much into this. He is telling another player at the table the strength of his hand, and having them act accordingly. How is this different from telling your buddy across the table not to enter the pot, since you have pocket aces?

[Petoria 0]

Please explain how I can be reading too much into this. He is telling another player at the table the strength of his hand, and having them act accordingly. How is this different from telling your buddy across the table not to enter the pot, since you have pocket aces?

Because he could be lying.

[Stylin_Fish 0]

I have already made tons of collusion accusations. If you tell people, "if you don't raise me, i won't go at you." or "because your'e near me, and I have a huge stack, if you dont play at me I'll protect you." that is flat out collusion. Gold also admitted to telling people what he had(which he was really holding). Downright collusion.

[SuperJon 175]

Because he could be lying.

*ding, ding, ding*Johnny, tell him what he's won!!!!!I will wait to see Gold play more before I make any brash assumptions.

[ricker 0]

that sounds pretty collusiony to me...but I dunno

[doox 15]

Lying or not, they're still working together. That's collusion. And if he was lying, told them to go ahead and play, and then came over the top with a reraise, that little arrangement wouldn't exist any longer since the guy on his right would know Gold wouldn't honor his end. I'm assuming Gold didn't do this, since he said he didn't have anyone to act before him - at all.

[showstopper24 0]

Its just like the two big stacks not playing with each other. it is pretty much just common sense but Gold is talking (what a surprise)

[doox 15]

Its just like the two big stacks not playing with each other. it is pretty much just common sense but Gold is talking (what a surprise)

True - it IS common sense. So is not betting a dry side pot and checking it down with another player in order to have a better chance of knocking out the short stack. When checking it down, it's common practice and common sense, but if you TALK about it, it's collusion. I don't see why Gold's actions should be treated any differently. He can do it all he wants, but when he verbally arranges this type of deal, it should fall under collusion.

[showstopper24 0]

maybe, but that is open to so much debate that it would never be proven. his title won't be taken away so collusion or not, it happened and nothing matters now.

[Flack_attack 0]

This really looks like collusion. Downright cheating.

[doox 15]

I know his title is safe, but it blows my mind that the current WSOP ME champ would so casually admit to something like this in a major poker magazine. Hell, he's bragging about it.

[Mongoosey 0]

I read that article on Gold. I come to the conclusion that he does have a bit of skill but from the pictures of him in Bluff, I have also decided that he is a Jerk-off.

[showstopper24 0]

of course he has skill. he beat 8772 players. but he does seem like a bit of a jerk off.

[CrazyJoe 0]

i'm with you on this doox, and what a bunch of PUSSIES at all his tables, man if he got put on my right, and said "that's my money" and laughed while pointing at my blind, I'd tell him to come and get it. I love playing against huge stacks, they'll double you up a lot easier.

[Jordan 1]

I'd tell him to stop being a faggot and just play poker.Seriously. I'm not a confrontational kinda person. But at the poker table, that's what I'd say. And then I'd make a joke...but I'd also give him a really mean poker face too.- Jordan

[rogerwilco 0]

Ok, now obviously the 2nd "deal" isn't necessarily wrong - it's just him being a bully with a big stack. But the first "deal" he made with the people to his right? Tell me that isn't collusion that he just admitted to in this interview. Anyone else think that's legit?

Obviously the guy is just bragging, but, if this is even halfway true, I would have so told him to go fuck himself if I were to his left or right...

[HangukMiguk 8]

this is collusion no matter how you look at it. they'd frown upon a table verbally agreeing to walk the blinds every hand so that someone from another table would bust on the bubble (stars has actually taken actions against people doing so), but they didn't call it on a guy who verbally told somebody that he'd look at his cards and then tell him if he was safe to play the hand or not?I don't care if he's lying or not, telling someone else what to do in a hand is collusion. it doesn't matter if you're at the same table, or if you are even playing in the tournament. it's one person to a hand, and telling someone whether they could play the hand, or that they should lay it down, is bringing a 2nd party into that hand. more than one person for the same hand = collusion.Live poker is rigged. Jamie Gold is a sad man.(Note: he also talked about this in a phone interview with bigpoker.ca, and I threw up at even the thought of this).

[....Ian.... 0]

this is not 'collusion' this is unethical.....BUT WE'RE ****ING PLAYING POKERi am indifferent to Gold, but some of yall sound like haters. if Gold had no explicit deal regaurding payouts and such THEN ITS NOT COLLUSION,however he may have used some jedi mind tricks

[Mercury69 3]

All that proves is that Jamie Gold is a mouthy, overinflated doushebag.