blakheart 3 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Had to be 7 5. No way DN goes all in on a bluff. He is very capable of opening with low suited one gappers. It looks like his opponent had a hand, DN was hoping to trap him big. That is why you play those kind of hands.We need the answer please... Link to post Share on other sites
Vatche 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 we're probably going to have to wait for his next blog for the answer. Link to post Share on other sites
seacucumber 2 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 My vote is 7 8 as well. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 And the answer is... 78 of spades! I will explain why I did that in a Card Player column Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 vnh you crazy man Link to post Share on other sites
JTPHS 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 good read on the berkley kid that he could make a laydown there... i'm sure you didn't realize he was as strong as that, but i'm sure you sensed he thought you were strong. stage three thinking kids master at creating table image.... but no wonder you're often going broke early with bluffs like that Link to post Share on other sites
betpot 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Figured it was 78s semibluff, why would you go all-in with the nuts (75s) here...? Link to post Share on other sites
Fmercury 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I actually voted for 78 because Im a moron and hit the wrong choice, so I meant 75. So did I... Not that I would rule out 87 in any way, but I think the Berkley Kid made a good laydown, and that DN hit his st8 on the Turn./Allan Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Figured it was 78s semibluff, why wouldn't you go all-in with the nuts (75s) here...?FYP. Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 78 makes more sense here. The big blind just showed a lot of weakness by checking the turn after betting the flop and DN has to think there's a good chance that he'll get a couple of folds if he goes all-in here. Also, if he's up against a queen, (which he thought he was), he's still got nine outs if he gets called. He has to think he can get paid off 11/1 if he hits his gutter, so I don't think there's any "fishy" play calling with the gutshot either.Also, I think raising UTG with 75s with (relatively) small stacks is a fundamental mistake. 78s on the other hand is a solid enough drawing hand that DN can make up for any value he'd lose raising it with the deception.And yes, I voted 78 before reading the answer. Link to post Share on other sites
PocketRocks 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I knew it was 7, 8. I don't think Daniel would have scared them off the hand if he made the straight. I also don't think he would call a raise in early position with 7, 5. He would have milked those rookies if he had made the straight. He knew they wouldn't put all their chips in the middle unless they had a really good hand. NH Daniel. Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 And the answer is... 78 of spades! I will explain why I did that in a Card Player columnI figured 75, but I could see 78. I have a feeling you didn't know you were up against bottom set though. If you did then thats pretty ballsy.Also, it should be noted that I suck at poker. I've mentioned this before, just thought I'd reiterate. Link to post Share on other sites
AKtorr 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Cast your vote here to guess what Daniel had in his hand. Here is the hand below in case you missed it:2:03pm: "Just played a SUPER interesting hand. Up to $17,500."2:04pm: "I made it $400 UTG LP call BB made it $1,200, call, call. Flop Qc 6c 4h. BB bet $1,500. Call, call. Turn 8. Check. I go all in for $9,625. LP player studies me for 5 minutes with bottom set! He lays it down. BB lays it down...What did I have? Tell you later..."2:09pm: "I showed the kid the 7 of spades and he is still talking about it. He is convinced I had 7 5 or 7 8...What do you think?!"I think Daniel hasn't really been playing his best lately, and therefore I feel he was bluffing on the all in. It seems to me, there's been a lot of "hope" in Daniel's play of late and this is why I feel he was calling initially hoping for the gut shot 5. Further I don't think Daniel would have raised preflop to begin the betting with 75, perhaps with 78 suited. Link to post Share on other sites
RolledUp 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Give him credit for going with his read that Berkley was on a flush draw or had Q... And the other guy was weak.The 8 was a scare card for Berkley and DN pulled the trigger...Great Play... Link to post Share on other sites
Vatche 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 i voted for 78, and my guess is that the 8 was the 8 of spades as well... DN likes to raise utg with suited connectors... Link to post Share on other sites
Allknight 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Thanks Daniel for discussing this interesting hand with us here. Its pretty obvious that you fooled most of us here when you told us that you had 78s instead of 75s. This also shows me that if you fooled most of us you can also easily do that with your opponents in a tourney most of the time. Additionally since you stated that this was an interesting hand I think some of my fellow FCPers guessed you were getting tricky with the 78s. But I would imagine if you wouldn't have brought to our attention that this was an interesting hand more of us would have believed you played 75s and flopped an open ended straight draw and got there... Some people added that you wouldn't move in here with the nutz rather you would like to trap your remaining opponents. I am not so sure this is true with a possible flush draw out there Daniel I would be tempted to move in here also with 75s."Allknight" Adam Link to post Share on other sites
The Czar 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I'm looking forward to his Cardplayer explanation. If it was based solely on table image, that should have been in the original post. Otherwise, what was DN thinking? Link to post Share on other sites
jneff24 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 i voted for 78, and my guess is that the 8 was the 8 of spades as well... DN likes to raise utg with suited connectors... I can't see him going all in with a pair of 8s and just a straight draw with one card to go against two players. He might of made that move with 78 of clubs, which would also give him a flush draw. But since he showed 7 of spades that wouldn't work.I voted 75 of spades. Link to post Share on other sites
bweller` 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 he had the 78 cause hes cool like that Link to post Share on other sites
Vatche 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 i voted for 78, and my guess is that the 8 was the 8 of spades as well... DN likes to raise utg with suited connectors...I can't see him going all in with a pair of 8s and just a straight draw with one card to go against two players. He might of made that move with 78 of clubs, which would also give him a flush draw. But since he showed 7 of spades that wouldn't work.I voted 75 of spades.he gave us the answer already...he did have the 7 8 of spades.And the answer is... 78 of spades! I will explain why I did that in a Card Player column Link to post Share on other sites
timbo83 0 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 he had 2 jokers of course!! Link to post Share on other sites
JanDawg666 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I know if Danny has a great read he will play just about anything and sometimes calling to imply to his opponent that he has a monster and is slow playing it. It's not fishy just has to have good reasoning behind it and since Daniel is who he is, I would possibly bet that we was making a move but he can't be bluffing everytime just the same as he can't have a hand everytime and am going to put him on the 75 in this situation. He also doesn't mind playing suited gutters, which makes me believe he might have seen a flop with 75 of spades. This is Daniel we're talking about and it doesn't matter what cards you have if you know what the other player has and you believe that you know what he's thinking you have and can represent anything you want. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites
emersoj2 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 7 5 all the way. He is great at reading players, but he also likes to have something to back it up. He also won't put it all in on a bluff when he's not quite sure about his read Link to post Share on other sites
D. B. Murdock 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Had to be 78s. I don't see the Kid raising with 7-5 under the gun, and also don't see him pushing in for that much with the nuts although there was the flush draw out there and he didn't have much left. ...and specialness is a word, Kid. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 7c8c or the hand really wouldn't be that interesting.To you and Jordon above who said 97 of clubsDN flashed him the 7 of SPADES, neither of your hands is possible Link to post Share on other sites
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