The Trump Cabinet

[Balloon guy 158]

President Obama drew a clear red line in the sand about chemical weapons in Syria.

[JustDoIt 10]

His economic plan hasn't happened yet.

 

Absolutely obvious brilliant point

[brvheart 1,752]

-- he's a failed business [man]

 

hahaha

 

I wonder how many "successful" business people would switch businesses with him?

 

Answer: All but about 500 people on Earth.

 

 

Trump is not someone I would ever call wise, but he isn't a "failed businessman" by any metric.

[scuudagouch 15]

CNN and MSNBC have lost credibility with people, they are laughed at in many circles. Think Access Hollywood!!

 

Chris Matthews, Maddow, Todd, the dude with the goofy glasses - oh and lets not forget Brain Williams the war correspondent.

 

There isn't on name on that list that would know the truth or report it if they have any other option. Much of the American public feels this way...for good reason!

[FCP Bob 1,312]

CNN and MSNBC have lost credibility with people, they are laughed at in many circles. Think Access Hollywood!!

 

Chris Matthews, Maddow, Todd, the dude with the goofy glasses - oh and lets not forget Brain Williams the war correspondent.

 

There isn't on name on that list that would know the truth or report it if they have any other option. Much of the American public feels this way...for good reason!

 

35 % of the American public doesn't believe in evolution. Draw your own conclusions from that.

[scuudagouch 15]

Well one of the big differences is people can listen to them every night and decide, another is that they don't make any attempt to act as if they are objective or care to be...in fact they make no bones about what the agenda is. Oddly enough it is about the only thing they are honest about.

 

Good try comparing apples and oranges

[Spademan 94]

Trump is not someone I would ever call wise, but he isn't a "failed businessman" by any metric.

 

Yes he is. He'd have more money if he had just let the money his father gave him accrue interest than he does having tried to "do business" with it, even using every corrupt, illegal thing he thinks he can get away with to get an edge while doing so. He's a fucking idiot on every conceivable level. But even idiots can get some shit done if they are full blown narcissists who will do anything to rise to power - because there are going to be a lot of other idiots who will believe their bluster.

[brvheart 1,752]

He'd have more money if he had just let the money his father gave him accrue interest than he does having tried to "do business" with it

 

Do you have a source on that? His dad died in 1999. What kind of returns do you think he would have hypothetically achieved from 1999 through 2007-2009, to present day?

 

Follow up question: If it's so easy to become a billionaire, why don't more people achieve it? Especially ones that have inherited or earned more than 100 million dollars?

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

spade, like so many well meaning leftists, has been sent over the edge by PDJT.

[Spademan 94]

If it's so easy to become a billionaire, why don't more people achieve it? Especially ones that have inherited or earned more than 100 million dollars?

 

Oh, he's a billionaire, is he? Because he says he is?

 

Ha. Ha.

 

You need to look into it a bit more, there's a lot of information out there. You'll have to go to an impartial source though, rather than his tweets.

 

spade, like so many well meaning leftists, has been sent over the edge by PDJT.

 

Don't know what this means. Yeah, Trump is a narcissistic fascist con-man, and something altogether different, and altogether more dangerous compared past idiots who have been elevated to president - but what edge have I been sent over?

 

The U.S. is jam-packed with god damn idiots. What do I care, when it really comes down to it? I'm content to sit here and watch it burn.

[Dubey 1,035]

 

 

 

 

Don't know what this means.

 

Don't mind SA, he's attempting to transition out of his regular harmless/amusing/quasi-troll persona by occasionally dabbling in actual serious conversations and it is an awkward stage.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

not enough people around to avoid the politics threads anymore. give me time. by 2020 i'll be good to go.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

but really i meant it was over the top to say that if DJT had just put his inheritance in a mutual fund he'd be richer today than he is. he may have cheated and tax evaded his way through life, but he has made money. not as much as he claims, but a lot.

[Spademan 94]

but really i meant it was over the top to say that if DJT had just put his inheritance in a mutual fund

 

No it isn't.

 

But, without tax returns (which he won't show, for obvious reasons - he claims to be a billionaire, L O L), there is no way to say for sure. But, from all of the information I've seen, it's more likely than not he'd have more actual wealth had he not "done business the best and greatest than anyone has done business just tremendous because of his tremendous brain".

 

But sure, believe that the one thing that Trump is honest about is how much money he has.

 

Sure.

[Essay21 2,385]

I specifically said he doesn't have as much money as he claims.

[mrfritz 885]

I believe him

[Dubey 1,035]

I doubt he's a billionaire. He certainly has a lot of assets, but I suspect he has a shit ton of debt that keeps his net worth pretty low. I don't think any of his prior business accomplishments make him suitable to be the POTUS whatsoever. However, say what you will about him, he has managed to leverage himself into one of the most recognizable names/brands on the planet, even before his presidential run. I think calling him a failed businessman is probably unfair.

[Spademan 94]

I think calling him a failed businessman is probably unfair.

 

As late as early nineties he was claiming he was worth billions, but when his bankers issued a report in hears related to casino matters he was in the red 300 million. He's claimed he has "bounced back" since then, but in nearly every instance that information is presented in hearings the figures concerning the worth of one thing or another is a fraction of what he had previously claimed. We're talking a difference of a 50 million dollar claim of worth that turns out to be 1 million.

 

I am not being hyperbolic when I say it is probable that he would have more wealth had he just put the money he was given by his father than he does having tried to do business with it. That would be an utter failure. And being recognizable != sound or successful money management and investments.

 

Of course, even if that is the case, he may at last succeed at turning a superior profit now that he can abuse his power as president.

[Dubey 1,035]

 

 

As late as early nineties he was claiming he was worth billions, but when his bankers issued a report in hears related to casino matters he was in the red 300 million. He's claimed he has "bounced back" since then, but in nearly every instance that information is presented in hearings the figures concerning the worth of one thing or another is a fraction of what he had previously claimed. We're talking a difference of a 50 million dollar claim of worth that turns out to be 1 million.

 

I am not being hyperbolic when I say it is probable that he would have more wealth had he just put the money he was given by his father than he does having tried to do business with it. That would be an utter failure. And being recognizable != sound or successful money management and investments.

 

Of course, even if that is the case, he may at last succeed at turning a superior profit now that he can abuse his power as president.

 

I don't really disagree with anything here. But even if his current net worth was $0, he still lives in complete luxury, had his own very popular TV show, and somehow leveraged his position into being President of the USA. By almost any measure, he has been very successful in his life. I don't, however, for one second buy that any of this somehow makes him fit to be president.

[Scrim 115]

As late as early nineties he was claiming he was worth billions, but when his bankers issued a report in hears related to casino matters he was in the red 300 million. He's claimed he has "bounced back" since then, but in nearly every instance that information is presented in hearings the figures concerning the worth of one thing or another is a fraction of what he had previously claimed.

 

 

Him personally or some subsidiary company?

 

He's majorly guarded about his personal net worth. I believe he's exaggerating and probably overvaluing the "Trump Brand" as some (y)-billion factor but most of the information that's public about debt or wealth relates to bk matters involving sub companies.

[Spademan 94]

I don't really disagree with anything here. But even if his current net worth was $0, he still lives in complete luxury, had his own very popular TV show, and somehow leveraged his position into being President of the USA. By almost any measure, he has been very successful in his life. I don't, however, for one second buy that any of this somehow makes him fit to be president.

 

Three things.

 

1. He lives in complete luxury - as would anyone who was given millions and millions and millions of dollars by their daddy and didn't somehow blow it all on coke and whores. Being bequeathed a shit-ton of money does not make you "successful".

 

2. You'll note I was speaking specifically about him being a "good business man". I'll reiterate, there is zero evidence he's made more money than he would have if he just put the money he was given away. Having the same or less than the amount of money you were given as you would have had if you had done nothing with it does not make a "good business man".

 

3. Yes, he's been very successful at getting famous and using his fame to ascend to the presidency by tapping into the most vile segments of our society. I haven't disputed that at all. Desperate housewives and the Jersey Shore people are famous too.

 

Great?

 

Him personally or some subsidiary company?

 

I'm not sure. You'll notice I've been using qualifiers like "probable" and "likely" and whatnot, and that's because it's been a long time since I was looking into all this, so I don't remember a lot of the specifics at all.

[brvheart 1,752]

Oh, he's a billionaire, is he? Because he says he is?

 

You need to look into it a bit more, there's a lot of information out there.

 

I think maybe you'll have to provide me with these super secret sources that you have.

 

Because democrat Bloomberg, who is parading as an independent says he's worth 3.0.

 

and Forbes had a team of investigators going through public records and came up with 3.7.

[scuudagouch 15]

spade knows much better than forbes....cause he said so and looked into a while back.

[Fenxis 99]

I think maybe you'll have to provide me with these super secret sources that you have.

 

Because democrat Bloomberg, who is parading as an independent says he's worth 3.0.

 

and Forbes had a team of investigators going through public records and came up with 3.7.

 

But wait... I thought he was worth more than $10B!

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/280239-trump-claims-net-worth-of-more-than-10-billion-in-new

[brvheart 1,752]

I have never once been on record as saying that I trust anything that Trump says. I'm using independent investigators to come to the conclusion that Trump is at bare minimum a billionaire, and by no valid metric a "failed businessman".

 

 

Now if you want to throw in liberal metrics created by people with 0 days running a business, no basic conception of economics, and no understanding of executive decision making, then one could come up with a few invalid ways to label him as such; like the often paraded "4 out of 500 businesses have gone bankrupt" line.