Dubey 1,035 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Well the protest has nothing to do with the military. Thing is, it is highly unlikely anybody on his team would have ever have kneeled for the anthem. His comments were just an excuse to make his opinion on the matter public, and I just don't think it was necessary to insert himself into the conversation. I don't necessarily have a problem with him telling his players they have to stand for the anthem, but It should have been a conversation that stayed inside the dressing room. This just stinks of self aggrandizing, which is par for the course for Torts I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Well the protest has nothing to do with the military. Thing is, it is highly unlikely anybody on his team would have ever have kneeled for the anthem. His comments were just an excuse to make his opinion on the matter public, and I just don't think it was necessary to insert himself into the conversation. I don't necessarily have a problem with him telling his players they have to stand for the anthem, but It should have been a conversation that stayed inside the dressing room. This just stinks of self aggrandizing, which is par for the course for Torts I guess. no, I just mentions the army thing because those with family in the armed forces tend to hold the flag as a symbol of extremely high regard, which I respect. I just find it funny that one of the primary concepts of war is to fight to preserve freedoms, both as nations and individuals. And one of the primary freedoms is that of expression. Which tortorella is restricting by threatening to punish someone who expressed themslf. If an actual business did that, they'd get sued til they puked. And then, the hilarity continued today when the US PR director said that no media was allowed to ask an anthem question.... . Freedom of speech? Nahhhhhhh Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I find a lot of things strange... - why is the anthem played before pro sporting events? - why is sitting during the anthem such a big deal to police officers? to military? - if the military is fighting for freedom, isnt the protest part of, you know, being free to speak your mind free of oppression? - is this really the best way to protest what you see as wrong in your community? Sitting down during a time when people stand for a song? - why did Tort even get into this? Moreso, why is it a big deal what he MIGHT do IF someone else MAYBE does something. lol I dont know, I dont get much of this at all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I guess I am in the minority. I love the anthem playing before sporting events. I dragged my wife to the old Chicago stadium because I wanted to hear the anthem years ago Now do I think not standing when it is playing is bad. I actually don't really care and feel the same for what they are protesting Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 One other thing about the anthem. I went to the first official NFL game at Rogers centre. The Canadian singer hacked up the anthem and the crowd took over. 50k singing O Canada was fun Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 we were getting really close to not having the anthems played before games and then 9/11 happened. Thanks Obama Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 when I had Raptor's season seats I always timed my pre game pee to when the anthems were being sung 1 Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I find a lot of things strange... - why is the anthem played before pro sporting events? - why is sitting during the anthem such a big deal to police officers? to military? - if the military is fighting for freedom, isnt the protest part of, you know, being free to speak your mind free of oppression? - is this really the best way to protest what you see as wrong in your community? Sitting down during a time when people stand for a song? - why did Tort even get into this? Moreso, why is it a big deal what he MIGHT do IF someone else MAYBE does something. lol I dont know, I dont get much of this at all. -the department of defense pays major sports leagues $52M (taxpayers $) a year to do all the military stuff and anthems. -no clue. "Patriots" are a touchy group. Yet as an aside many patriots break rules in regard to the flag but that's a whole other issue. - this has been my stance forever. People talk about freedom all the time while at the same time trying limit everyone's freedom. Standing is, imho, all about etiquette. It's not a law. It's not a crime though many stupidly believe it is, but it's not. I do not personally care about the flag. I do not consider myself a patriot. I do not bleed red white and blue. But I have the decent to stand and take off my hat during the anthem. I do it because it's what we do. I don't have anything to protest so it's not a big deal to stand. At the same time I respect Kapernick and Marshalls decision to protest the obvious and blatant issues going on and see nothing wrong with their protests. It creates dialogue. It gets more attention then stating the issues say in a press conference. No idea what torts did so can't comment. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 I see not saluting the flag and the national anthem a disrespect to your country. However it's your right to do what you want. I think Kap is a clown and what little respect I might of had went out the window when he wears the caricature pig cops. Again I personally don't agree and I salute the national anthem every time as a show of respect to my country of citizenship( Canada) and my now country of residence( USA) . If I was in Iraq as a guest I would naturally respect their national anthem as well. Babcock was asked to comment he basically brushed it off but he did say that the players should stand for the anthem. He didn't go as far as Torts to punish players. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Anthems before sporting events is dumb. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 Anthems before sporting events is dumb. how about before school? Whats your views on that Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 how about before school? Whats your views on that Dumb! But less dumb. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Why is not saluting the flag or national anthem disrespectful to your country? Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Anthems before sporting events is dumb. You see I am in the minority. I like it. Other than Canada Day when else do we support Canada (Olympics, Hockey events, etc). I am a proud Canadian and will support Canada before I support any other country (like my ancestors). I always get into it with friends of mine who go crazy for soccer such as Italy, Portugal, etc. I always say where is your support for Canada because I know they would support Italy/Portugal in soccer over Canada. So let the anthem play. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Why is not saluting the flag or national anthem disrespectful to your country? when you played hockey, would you ever let your jersey touch the floor? Or is that just a junior hockey and up thing? I honestly can't remember now. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Why is not saluting the flag or national anthem disrespectful to your country? The whole idea of patriotic "symbols" being so sacrosanct is stupid IMO. Maybe it's different now in a time of globalization and global communication, plus much better access to information. I'm not sure. You can love being Canadian and still not give a shit about a piece of cloth or a boring song. You can still respect the troops without saluting the flag, and frankly, you can be 100% behind the troops without even supporting their purposes. The whole nonsense of Kaepernick is such bullshit. He made a stand because he doesn't agree with what his country seems to value, or in his case, not value. It's perfectly legitimate criticism. Being patriotic doesn't mean you have to blindly agree with and accept everything. By the same token that Kap is being called a traitor, isn't the entire GOP full of traitors? Constantly badmouthing the President? The double standards are rampant. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 when you played hockey, would you ever let your jersey touch the floor? Or is that just a junior hockey and up thing? I honestly can't remember now. Yes. This wasn't a thing in my world. We would toss our jerseys in a pile towards a bag in the middle of the floor for the trainer to take and wash every game. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 when you played hockey, would you ever let your jersey touch the floor? Or is that just a junior hockey and up thing? I honestly can't remember now. I didn't care. I'm not overly superstitious. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I didn't care. I'm not overly superstitious. fair enough, it wasn't a superstition thing, it was a respect thing. Still holds in the NHL today. NHL teams won't let their jerseys touch the floor, nor will they step on the logo on the dressing room floor. It's a tradition, not a superstition. I was trying to find a comparison, but this one was a bit obscure. lol Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 The logo on the floor is even more idiotic. How about if you don't want people to step on a symbol you don't put a giant copy of it on the floor? Lol 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Also, every player skates on the logo at every home game, so...? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 In other news... It's really nice to be watching hockey today. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 The logo on the floor is even more idiotic. How about if you don't want people to step on a symbol you don't put a giant copy of it on the floor? Lol lol, so true. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 The logo on the floor is even more idiotic. How about if you don't want people to step on a symbol you don't put a giant copy of it on the floor? Lol so, interesting question for you then: if you made the Penguins roster, would you step in the logo or not? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 so, interesting question for you then: if you made the Penguins roster, would you step in the logo or not? If they asked me not to, I wouldn't, because it's not something to get all upset about either way. I'd probably tell somebody it was stupid, but I wouldn't make a stand on it (pun intended). Link to post Share on other sites
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