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Bovada 2/4 NLHE (6-handed)Cobalt is Button w/ :qh:club:. SB is running 33/16 over 45 hands.Pre-flop:3 folds, Cobalt raises to $12, SB calls, 1 foldFlop ($28): :D:jh:4h (2 players)SB checks, Cobalt checksTurn ($28): :ts (2 players)SB checks, Cobalt checksRiver ($28) :3h (2 players)SB bets $32, Cobalt callsSB shows :D:5cCobalt win $89(Rake: $3) :D

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This deserves to get seen by a few more people. From our resident Stupidhead...v1.27Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterHEM/Poker Stars NL Hold'em $1.00/$2.00 - 6 playersButton: $237.98SB: $200.00BB: $60.00

I remember when this thread was all about how bad KJ was at 3betting

He's probably not flatting KJ's raise otf if he had a2. Besides, A2 is such a small portion of his range here, we are never ever ever ever ever ever ever folding the turn. People are stupid, they do

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Well okay then.Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.comBTN: $2.20SB: $6.45Hero (BB): $5.85UTG: $8.32MP: $1.86CO: $7.50SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 6s 6dfold, MP calls $0.04, CO raises to $0.16, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.12, MP calls $0.12Flop: ($0.50, 3 players) Kd Ah 6cHero checks, MP checks, CO bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.05, fold, CO raises to $7.34 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.64 and is all-inTurn: ($11.88, 2 players) TdRiver: ($11.88, 2 players) 9cHero shows 6s 6d (Three of a Kind, Sixes) (Pre 70%, Flop 98%, Turn 91%)CO shows 4d Js (High Card, Ace) (Pre 30%, Flop 2%, Turn 9%)Hero wins $11.29

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This is goofy spot. I was getting 1.6:1 so I needed about 40% equity to call and at best only had about 36% but his shove just didn't make sense.Villain is MDoranD the CardRunners' micros pro. He 3 bets about 7.5% in the blinds, is capable of bluffing some here but not much with this goofy play. I'm actually as interested in what you think of his play as much as what I should do...Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 4BB: $10.61Hero (UTG): $9.80BTN: $9.35SB: $10.52SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T:club: T:diamond: Hero raises to $0.30, fold, SB raises to $1.10, fold, Hero calls $0.80Flop: ($2.30, 2 players) 3:diamond: 4:club: 7:club: SB bets $1.43, Hero calls $1.43Turn: ($5.16, 2 players) J:club: SB bets $7.99 and is all-in, Hero/ ????

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4 handed vs a good reg I 4b/get-it-in pre as my standard; def 99 also and likely 77 and 88. And AJs, AQ+ and KQs just 4b to like 2.25-2.60.In a short-handed game vs aggro regs we need to widen our value ranges and calling TT IP here is pretty bad imo.As played I cry call and make a note/adjustment

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4 handed vs a good reg I 4b/get-it-in pre as my standard; def 99 also and likely 77 and 88. And AJs, AQ+ and KQs just 4b to like 2.25-2.60.In a short-handed game vs aggro regs we need to widen our value ranges and calling TT IP here is pretty bad imo.As played I cry call and make a note/adjustment
I went over this hand with a couple of friends and we discussed just 4 betting him reasonably wide in these spots, I def think it's profitable over the long run. As played though I did call because a fold just felt wrong based on him making this weird play. He showed up with AJhh and I didn't suck out.
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I went over this hand with a couple of friends and we discussed just 4 betting him reasonably wide in these spots, I def think it's profitable over the long run. As played though I did call because a fold just felt wrong based on him making this weird play. He showed up with AJhh and I didn't suck out.
What did you think he put you on tho? I'm thinking he had you on a small to medium pair and unless you hit a set or flopped the nut straight(which he eliminated 5/6 with your preflop call), he had top pair, top kicker there and was in decent shape for show down.
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What did you think he put you on tho? I'm thinking he had you on a small to medium pair and unless you hit a set or flopped the nut straight(which he eliminated 5/6 with your preflop call), he had top pair, top kicker there and was in decent shape for show down.
Good question, If I'm him and since he has very little history with me that he knew of and I have the ladies game win accolade showing, so a female random probably fish would be how I'd be thinking if I were him so based on that I'd think I could be up against 55+ AK, AQ plus other ace rags hands since women have trouble folding ace rags and pps,, mb high SCs since I'm IP so I can definitely have 2 clubs here and mb QQ but that's iffy, He did see me double barrel with air in another hand on another table so don't know if that made any difference to how he was thinking but as far as he knew we had no more than 30 hands together. He plays a lot of tables so I doubt he's noticed much more than my stats which over that few hands don't say much other than mb I do 3 bet and I don't open limp but not enough info to dismiss the sterotype of female so probably fish.So if his read on me is what I would think it should of been I think his play is actually fine and somewhat interesting actually. Adding in the fact that fish and women tend to be very stationy if they connect or have a good PP I think it was a very good way to get value. He's ahead enough times against what he would think I might have for that shove to be profitable imo.
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Good question, If I'm him and since he has very little history with me that he knew of and I have the ladies game win accolade showing, so a female random probably fish would be how I'd be thinking if I were him so based on that I'd think I could be up against 55+ AK, AQ plus other ace rags hands since women have trouble folding ace rags and pps,, mb high SCs since I'm IP so I can definitely have 2 clubs here and mb QQ but that's iffy, He did see me double barrel with air in another hand on another table so don't know if that made any difference to how he was thinking but as far as he knew we had no more than 30 hands together. He plays a lot of tables so I doubt he's noticed much more than my stats which over that few hands don't say much other than mb I do 3 bet and I don't open limp but not enough info to dismiss the sterotype of female so probably fish.So if his read on me is what I would think it should of been I think his play is actually fine and somewhat interesting actually. Adding in the fact that fish and women tend to be very stationy if they connect or have a good PP I think it was a very good way to get value. He's ahead enough times against what he would think I might have for that shove to be profitable imo.
Yeah, he was 'ok' with playing it that way in my book too I suppose but a few hands could've had him close to/already drawing dead on the turn, let alone the river. Since he's the 'micro pro' he was probably just playing 24 tables at a time and said 'oh top pair/top kicker...all in!" ha! Thanks for sharing the hand Diamond Dixie!
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Decided to give the Cake shallow tables a shot. This hand was fun.Cake 2/4 NLHE (4-handed)Button $251Cobalt $277BB $217Cobalt is SB w/ :4h:ts. We've 3-bet Button a couple of times in the past couple of orbits, so this will be the third time in a short span. PTR has him as a loser.Pre-flop:1 fold, Button raises to $10, Cobalt re-raises to $38, 1 fold, Button callsFlop ($82): :D:3h:jh (2 players)Cobalt bets $20, Button callsTurn ($122): :5c (2 players)Cobalt bets $32, Button raises to $78, Cobalt callsRiver ($278): :qh (2 players)Cobalt checks, Button goes all-in for $115, Cobalt callsButton shows :D :8sCobalt wins $508He called me a donkey. :club:

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You are a donkey, Marchant. Interestingly I had just opened a bottle of IBC root beer when I opened this thread and saw your post.DD:I think vs a mass-tabling reg (is he pretty nitty? what do you have him running at? Over how many hands?) I fold the turn. He's going to show JJ+ a lot more than AK or an airball (most have at least a little equity).Just bring us back to pre-flop. 4-betting is so far superior to flatting the TT- so next time you play with him just 4bet/call 77+ and 3b/5b him really wide too (what is his 4b stat?). He likely won't make adjustments very quickly if he's mass-tabling

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lol herocallsMerge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.comSB: $2.88Hero (BB): $8.25UTG: $1.01MP: $4.32CO: $4.56BTN: $0.86SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has Ah Khfold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, SB calls $0.12Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) 9c Tc 9sSB checks, Hero checksTurn: ($0.32, 2 players) ThSB checks, Hero checksRiver: ($0.32, 2 players) AsSB checks, Hero bets $0.32, SB calls $0.32Hero shows Ah Kh (Two Pair, Aces and Tens) (Pre 50%, Flop 41%, Turn 91%)SB shows 2h 2s (Two Pair, Tens and Nines) (Pre 50%, Flop 59%, Turn 9%)Hero wins $0.92

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ty james.it's not every day you get it all in pre with AK against 2 other players and have them drawing dead on the turn.Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 3CO: $2.98BTN: $5.24SB: $8.54BB: $3.42Hero (UTG): $4.32SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has K:heart: A:heart: Hero raises to $0.18, fold, BTN raises to $0.54, SB calls $0.52, BB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $4.32 and is all-in, fold, SB raises to $8.54 and is all-in, BB calls $2.88 and is all-inFlop: ($12.60, 3 players) 7:diamond: K:club: 5:club: Turn: ($12.60, 3 players) 5:heart: River: ($12.60, 3 players) Q:diamond: SB shows T:heart: J:diamond: (One Pair, Fives) (Pre 26%, Flop 6%, Turn 0%)BB shows T:spade: 8:heart: (One Pair, Fives) (Pre 18%, Flop 6%, Turn 0%)Hero shows K:heart: A:heart: (Two Pair, Kings and Fives) (Pre 56%, Flop 89%, Turn 100%)Hero wins $1.72Hero wins $10.25

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sturtegy handVillain is 17/13 over 100+ handsFlop: I decide to x/r because I think he'll fold most of his non-set pairs and AK hands. And I have two overs + back door draws. I plan on barreling any A, Q, K, T, or diamond.Turn: Bet for value. No draws on the flop, so to call a x/r I imagine is range to be weighted towards pairs.River: Here's where I get stuck. Is this now a spot where as weak as it sounds, x/f would be best?? I can't imagine many weaker hands calling if I bet (KJ, AJ, and even those might fold), and I can't see any worse hands that would bet the river if I were to check.Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 3UTG: $5.77CO: $4.00BTN: $3.94SB: $3.16Hero (BB): $4.06SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has A:diamond: Q:diamond: fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.11, fold, Hero calls $0.07Flop: ($0.24, 2 players) 7:spade: 3:club: J:diamond: Hero checks, BTN bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.49, BTN calls $0.33Turn: ($1.22, 2 players) Q:heart: Hero bets $0.65, BTN calls $0.65River: ($2.52, 2 players) 4:spade:

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Jon on your sturtegy hand:1st off why not 3 bet pre? I really don't want to play AQs OOP without 3 betting it against most players. By 3 betting pre when we are OOP we can control the pot post if he just flats us and we can figure he doesn't have a hand like AA or KK or sometimes even AK and QQ or he would of 4 bet us. I just prefer to eliminate as much guessing post as I can when I'm OOP. Not really sure I get the x/r on the flop, the flop is really dry and we very well may have the best hand so by x/r we are essentially turning our hand into a bluff. What is your plan if you get re-raised? I guess you have to fold but he may have a middle pair or AJ, KJ or 2 overs and doesn't like to fold, etc and if you improve you my get more value than you will by bluffing the flop. Plus with 17/13 stats he might not even c-bet if he whiffs and most 4NL players aren't likely to fold a good pair. I guess the value of it is you can take control of the pot if you get flatted as you did. The turn seems fine but as played I think you should bet the river. If he had a set here he's probably raising you on the turn if not the flop. So he has basically 3 hands that beat you AA and KK but I think he's also raising those 2 on the flop or turn so the only thing I'm at all worried about is QJ. So you are good here a lot since we beat way more hands than he's likely to have that beat us and we're definitely good enough of the time to make betting profitable, imo. If we check and he bets we end up guessing and maybe folding the best hand.

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I really like your line, JonPre-flop is fine, and vs a tighter guy, 17/13, he prob steals like 20%, I like flatting AQs- we are OOP so we don't have positional advantage so by calling we ensure having card advantage; we smash his button open range.I like the c.r this board and it's a great hand to do it with, especially as you had a plan (firing any broadway or diamond). Too many ppl c.r dry boards without good equity, but we have awesome equity for the bottom of our c.r range!Turn bet sizing seems great to me. I think he calls with JX and he might be stubborn with 88-TT; and I think a lot of regs call the flop with AX, espeically if they have a bdfd or AK (two overs)River I want to bet/fold pretty small. Doubt he will bluff us if we bet 40% of the pot and I want a crying call from 88-JX hands (I doubt a 17/13 4nl reg turns AJ into a bluff is my point), so maybe we bet like $1.05. It's kinda thin bc this guy might just call down KK, but I think we will show a profit with this bet and sizing.Good analysis of the turn/river, DD.

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Jon handI think that c/r or c/c the flop both have merits and depend more on your overall style of play. Whether you bet river depends on how often you c/r the flop. The more you do it, the more you should be betting this river. It really depends on how often a reg will be calling down with a bluff catcher. The more agro you have been the more often you have to bet. Considering your hand choice and the way the board ran out, I would bet river. I would also be inclined to bet more on the turn to set up a river shove. I just don't see him folding the turn that often for that bet size, which makes using this line for a bluff that much harder. Also KingJames, I don't like your 40% b/f plan. If I was playing against you, I would assume that you had exactly AJ and there would be times that I just turn my hand into a bluff and shove over you thinking that you have bet enough to fold and are trying to get a crying call from Jx more often then inducing with a stronger hand since you could have easily gotten stacks in by the river. It might induce which is an awful result for us in this situation.

1st off why not 3 bet pre? I really don't want to play AQs OOP without 3 betting it against most players. By 3 betting pre when we are OOP we can control the pot post if he just flats us and we can figure he doesn't have a hand like AA or KK or sometimes even AK and QQ or he would of 4 bet us. I just prefer to eliminate as much guessing post as I can when I'm OOP.
Just organising my thoughts on this.1. If an Ace comes, we are going to get more value from his Ax hands in a single raised pot then we are if we 3 bet. This is because AJ and AT are going to be value betting at least 2 streets while they instantly fold to a 3bet. 2. We allow ourselves to get 4bet bluffed off our hand by a lot of weaker hands. Considering his preflop stats, I want to be polarizing my range since he is unlikely to flat 3bets. 3. We want some strong hands in out pot control lines. Otherwise our opponents have a much easier time value betting/calling river bets against us on the river. 4. The money we spent 3betting to find out if he has AA/KK is more expensive then c/c any standard cbet on the flop. I think we also gain more information since it is harder and less frequent that he will 2 barrel bluff then he will 4bet bluff. We are going to lose money to AA,KK and AK when we have AQ. It is unavoidable. It shouldn't matter since he will also lose money when roles are reverse. The question then becomes which line allows us to greater realise our hands equity vs the rest of his range. I think vs tight opponents where we are not going AIPF w/AQ, that just calling preflop is the best course of action.
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Also James, I don't like your 40% b/f plan. If I was playing against you, I would assume that you had exactly AJ and there would be times that I just turn my hand into a bluff and shove over you thinking that you have bet enough to fold and are trying to get a crying call from Jx more often then inducing with a stronger hand since you could have easily gotten stacks in by the river. It might induce which is an awful result for us in this situation.
Yeah, I agree with your thoughts here.That being said, you are not a 17/13 4nl "reg"I think even a nittier reg will sometimes make a loose call if we bet small hereI'm trying not to be stubborn, but I can't think of a line/bet size I like more here on the river... I doubt we get looked up by KJ or AJ if we bet much larger... but I could be wrong...
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Are you thinking we should bet a standard amount here and fold getting good odds if jammed on?Or are you just saying don't get into this spot by betting bigger on turn and playing for stacks?? I think the avg 4nl reg is not going to stack off AJ so I think betting twice small is >>>> but again, I'm open for a discussion and to hear others thoughts

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Okay I totally get the not 3 betting pre here since villain is a tight reg and we are way ahead of his button range but I'm still not sure I get the merit of the flop check raise, would love more thoughts on this. I think I get it but just trying to wrap my brain around it.

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Yeah, I agree with your thoughts here.That being said, you are not a 17/13 4nl "reg"I think even a nittier reg will sometimes make a loose call if we bet small hereI'm trying not to be stubborn, but I can't think of a line/bet size I like more here on the river... I doubt we get looked up by KJ or AJ if we bet much larger... but I could be wrong...
I think that If AJ/KJ call turn, they can call river for the exact same reasons. It is a really dry board and we are representing only sets. While bet/folding sucks with massive odds, it is easy in this spot since he would only be doing this with sets. No one would try to get us to fold getting a million to 1 after we have c.r and fired twice.
Are you thinking we should bet a standard amount here and fold getting good odds if jammed on?Or are you just saying don't get into this spot by betting bigger on turn and playing for stacks?? I think the avg 4nl reg is not going to stack off AJ so I think betting twice small is >>>> but again, I'm open for a discussion and to hear others thoughts
Both really. If he is folding everything but sets and calling twice with TP, then we should be c/r and barreling off on every dry board. At some point they are going to make a stand and call you down. He is folding too much so this is almost profitable with ATC. This is just an awesome situation where our hand also beats his take a stand range. He could also be floating our c/r with KQ, QT and I doubt they are folding.
Okay I totally get the not 3 betting pre here since villain is a tight reg and we are way ahead of his button range but I'm still not sure I get the merit of the flop check raise, would love more thoughts on this. I think I get it but just trying to wrap my brain around it.
We had a BDFD, BDSD, Two overs and there are not that many hands he can call with. So he will be cbeting this board often, since it is dry. He can't call often because it is dry. There are bunch of cards that can come on the turn that increase our suck out equity if we are running into a set. Mainly though, if we never C.R as a bluff , then we can be exploited by him since he could reasonably fold AA here. Which is an awful result for our sets since this is our ideal line.
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Great thoughts guys (and gal).For the record, I wimped out and check/folded the river.
I don't hate check folding. I doubt he turns many things into a bluff or that he is floating twice. Really does depend on how often he is going to try to call you down with none premiums as to which action is best.Nice hand.
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