speedz99 145 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Why yes, yes you have. And I will say again that you're literally trying to agree with Hitler. It's possibly the single most obtuse argument against evolution that anyone ever makes, which is saying a mountain.Multiple choice question:Hitler was...A] An insane genocidal dictator who used any and all false excuses to justify and garner support for his campaign of genocide.B] A studious and respected scientist knowledgeable in the field of evolutionary biology.I shouldn't even bother responding to your Hitler garbage because I honestly hope that you're trolling, and it's hard to believe that you aren't.Oh, good. Let's just cut and paste this every time BG pulls out that garbage argument.what the hell? you guys all post in here now?Depends on how dead other places are. Link to post Share on other sites
iZuma 764 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 honestly though, whether you believe (ha! believe...) he's serious or just trolling, you really have to appreciate what balloon guy is doing here. I mean what the hell else would everybody be doing with their time? working? god damn THAT amirite? Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Ouch. I have feelings too. I don't think he even reads this thread. OK... I'm sure I'll regret this but to sorta put a face with the name here's my blog (i hardly ever update) and another site I contribute moreso to.........http://bathill8.deviantart.com http://www.bathilliard.blogspot.com Not bad!I'll be the first to admit that I was initially trying to steer the focus towards more poker related matters, but as they say, if you can't beat them, join them. And I'm not at all trying to be detrimental to your point of view. In fact, mine sort of coincides with some of what you have been saying all along. I'm sort of the arbitrator to this whole conversation but it seems I get more negative feed back from your side as opposed to BG and the Christian side.Are you not a christian? Seems like you are. Your man Dawkins even somewhat admitted during a lecture that creationism and evolution could both be possible or at least he can envision that a creationist could also believe in the theory of evolution. In a way, I feel sorry for the guy because I think he just suffers relentless attacks due to the fact that he is a very intelligent fellow and he stands by what he believes to be true. He garners my respect because from what I've read and seen, he hasn't really ridiculed or belittled anyone for there beliefs (seems he leaves that to his supporters). Although, I could be wrong.I'm pretty sure he has. But why should people not be ridiculed for their ridiculous beliefs? If someone believes that the earth is flat we can't belittle their beliefs? If someone believes that a team of little elves lives inside a tree making cookies, that person should expect some ridicule. Not all beliefs are worthy of respect. Dr. Ken Miller is another professor whose research I respect that is rooted in spirituality and believes that there can be a grand Designer . He has even written a book, Finding Darwin's God, about the compatibility of both ways of thinking that I have yet to read, but is in my queue.I don't know anyone who thinks there is a conflict between "spirituality" and evolution. Why would you think that there was? There is, however, a direct conflict between the theory of evolution and the account of biological origins laid out in the bible (aka creationism). Just for the record, my reference of the different time factor between an All Mighty Sentient Being and you and I was just to help show that maybe it could be a possiblity for evolution/creationism. I just don't see why we cannot all be in agreement on the subject during this era in which science and spirituality seem so divided. Given some effort, I think we could. Come on guys!I don't share your desire to be in agreement with everyone. Some accounts of reality are more accurate than others. Evolution and creationism are two conflicting accounts on the development of life on this planet; they cannot both be correct unless you are watering down creationism to the point where it says virtually nothing about the development of life over the course of time. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 It was always based on religious or action oriented reasons as opposed to ethnic.yeah.. actions like.. occupying land the jews wanted... for example.. Deuteronomy.. 1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sonsI mean, I'm sure you interpret that is they didn't worship god so they deserved to be "destroyed totally", so you can call it religious or action based, but if you slaughtered every hindu in america there would a word for that, and it would be genocide. The only difference between serbs and croats is one is catholic and the other eastern orthodox. They are the same ethnically, speak the same language ( though they use different alphabets) and have the same genetic make up. And when they slaughtered each other, it was called "ethnic cleansing". Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 what the hell? you guys all post in here now?'sup Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Why yes, yes you have. And I will say again that you're literally trying to agree with Hitler. It's possibly the single most obtuse argument against evolution that anyone ever makes, which is saying a mountain.Multiple choice question:Hitler was...A] An insane genocidal dictator who used any and all false excuses to justify and garner support for his campaign of genocide.B] A studious and respected scientist knowledgeable in the field of evolutionary biology.I shouldn't even bother responding to your Hitler garbage because I honestly hope that you're trolling, and it's hard to believe that you aren't.Better:Hitler's mission to rid the world of people less advanced to stop them polluting the gene pool while forcing the world to accept the more advanced Aryan race was...A] A Christian doctrineB] A doctrine eerily similar to the current fad pseudo-science pushed as fact by people who can't draw a simple flow chart of life forms after the fact?btw speedz, I will be bookmarking this one for you Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 This seems kind of racist. Matthew 15:22-28I think it's more sexists... Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 And something for this Sunday morning: Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 This seems kind of racist.It's not. In fact, it's the opposite of that, since he, you know, healed her and stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Et tu, Brute? Not a very Christian statement at all. But thanks.Christians are required to read everyone's posts now? Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 yeah.. actions like.. occupying land the jews wanted... for example.. Deuteronomy.. I mean, I'm sure you interpret that is they didn't worship god so they deserved to be "destroyed totally", so you can call it religious or action based, but if you slaughtered every hindu in america there would a word for that, and it would be genocide. The only difference between serbs and croats is one is catholic and the other eastern orthodox. They are the same ethnically, speak the same language ( though they use different alphabets) and have the same genetic make up. And when they slaughtered each other, it was called "ethnic cleansing".Hindus aren't all the same race. Link to post Share on other sites
BaseJester 1 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 It's not. In fact, it's the opposite of that, since he, you know, healed her and stuff.What do you think was Jesus' purpose in referring to her as a dog in his metaphor? Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 B] A doctrine eerily similar to the current fad pseudo-science pushed as fact by people who can't draw a simple flow chart of life forms after the fact?"I won't believe you until you can draw a simple flowchart describing thousands and thousands of different species-groups over the last hundreds of millions of years, and it had better be simple! Oh and they're almost all dead and only extremely rarely do they fossilize, that should obviously make it easier! I refuse to understand it until you make it simpler!" Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 It's not. In fact, it's the opposite of that, since he, you know, healed her and stuff.A black woman walks into a white hospital in South Africa during Apartheid. Upon seeing a white doctor, she screams for his help as she needs medication. The white doctor replies, "I am here to help white people. It is not right to take this perfectly good medicine and waste it on you dogs"“Yes it is, doctor,” she said. “Even dogs need to visit the vet.”Then the white doctor smiled at her and replied, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.”You see, this doctor wasn't racist. In fact, it's the opposite of that, since he, you know, healed her and stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Hitler's mission to rid the world of people less advanced to stop them polluting the gene pool while forcing the world to accept the more advanced Aryan race was...A] A Christian doctrineB] A doctrine eerily similar to the current fad pseudo-science pushed as fact by people who can't draw a simple flow chart of life forms after the fact?Haha, yes, bookmark it. I can always use the reminder that Hitler was motivated by science. Certainly not motivated by hatred, using science as an excuse to feed his craziness. Certainly not that."I won't believe you until you can draw a simple flowchart describing thousands and thousands of different species-groups over the last hundreds of millions of years, and it had better be simple! Oh and they're almost all dead and only extremely rarely do they fossilize, that should obviously make it easier! I refuse to understand it until you make it simpler!"Dude, that paragraph is way too long. I refuse to read and attempt to understand what you wrote, so until you simplify it for me I shall assume that it is incorrect. And blasphemous! Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 fighter is bringing some serious heat in here lately. Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Better:Hitler's mission to rid the world of people less advanced to stop them polluting the gene pool while forcing the world to accept the more advanced Aryan race was...A] A Christian doctrineB] A doctrine eerily similar to the current fad pseudo-science pushed as fact by people who can't draw a simple flow chart of life forms after the fact?btw speedz, I will be bookmarking this one for you Certainly closer to A than to B. Link to post Share on other sites
bat 0 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Christians are required to read everyone's posts now?Matthew 7:12 my friend.Not bad!thanksAre you not a christian? Seems like you are.I'll let you know in the afterlife. I'm pretty sure he has. But why should people not be ridiculed for their ridiculous beliefs? If someone believes that the earth is flat we can't belittle their beliefs? If someone believes that a team of little elves lives inside a tree making cookies, that person should expect some ridicule. Not all beliefs are worthy of respect.I think Dawkins only retaliates when he's placed under a harsh religious based microscope, which is quite often. If the people questioning him are cordial he usually remains that way as well. It's ignorance of the rule of respect (see brvheart response above) towards people that the likes of Bill O'Reilly, Bill Maher and the majority of the media do not adhere to, usually in lieu of a ratings drop, that create the tension that causes him to respond in that manner. You know what beliefs I'd like to see these guys seek out, directly face and disrespect? Those people that say that women are unequal and can be physically punished for simple disobediences such as showing their face in public. Those that say they want to murder you and me because we live in a ''free'' society. I don't remember seeing Maher travel to the middle east poking fun of some extremist muslim beliefs in his movie about the crazy religions of the world. I mean come on, we send our brave men and women abroad to fight for freedoms like the one that allows this assclown to make millions of dollars poking fun of his own people. We live in an f'd up society. I don't know anyone who thinks there is a conflict between "spirituality" and evolution. Why would you think that there was? There is, however, a direct conflict between the theory of evolution and the account of biological origins laid out in the bible (aka creationism). I don't share your desire to be in agreement with everyone. Some accounts of reality are more accurate than others. Evolution and creationism are two conflicting accounts on the development of life on this planet; they cannot both be correct unless you are watering down creationism to the point where it says virtually nothing about the development of life over the course of time.I didn't say a conflict between spirituality and evolution. I said spirituality and science. ANd of course there is a conflict, however I'm saying that they can both exist together in harmony. And yes, both evolution and creation have conflicting data supporting one another, but that's because neither has concrete evidence. They both have their loop holes and red herring trails. But there's probably a purpose behind that. I'm sure the Big Guy in the sky doesn't need to get a patent from you for creating life. Just because you wouldn't write down your award winning chilli recipe and give it to everyone doesn't mean we can't speculate what's in it. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 "I won't believe you until you can draw a simple flowchart describing thousands and thousands of different species-groups over the last hundreds of millions of years, and it had better be simple! Oh and they're almost all dead and only extremely rarely do they fossilize, that should obviously make it easier! I refuse to understand it until you make it simpler!"By simple I meant for you, since the reailty is you guys have no clue what happened, how a non-bird became a bird, how a water dweller developed hooves etcc.I asked before for a flowchart showing how a fully formed single cell organism developed in to any single mammal known today. No need to show every branching offshoot, no need to explain why or how. Just show how a single cell organism morphed into a cow.Surely if you feel evolution is proved enough to force it down children's throats you must have a basic clarification how the process works.And there are millions of fossils, with more found every day. Please don't hide behind the 'we don't have enough data but that doesn't mean we don't know' defense.Cause that one has a glaring hole in it if you take a whole second to think about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Certainly closer to A than to B.You can pretend that...but you know the real answer. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Haha, yes, bookmark it. I can always use the reminder that Hitler was motivated by science. Certainly not motivated by hatred, using science as an excuse to feed his craziness. Certainly not that.Hitler was not motivated by hate. Are you sure we're talking about the same guy here? Adolph? Funny mustache? Liked tofu?Dude, that paragraph is way too long. I refuse to read and attempt to understand what you wrote, so until you simplify it for me I shall assume that it is incorrect. And blasphemous!I love when you guys mock the idea of simple by missing out on what simple meant......It's like a lava flow of chocolate cascading down into a river of peanut butter all on a wafer of goodness. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 What do you think was Jesus' purpose in referring to her as a dog in his metaphor?That His mission was to the Jews, but that He was forgiving enough to give it to the people the Jews thought least of? Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Hitler was not motivated by hate. Are you sure we're talking about the same guy here? Adolph? Funny mustache? Liked tofu?Same guy. Chronic flatulence.I love when you guys mock the idea of simple by missing out on what simple meant......We know how you mean it, but you're missing out on the fact that it's essentially the same definition. Tomato potato. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I asked before for a flowchart showing how a fully formed single cell organism developed in to any single mammal known today. No need to show every branching offshoot, no need to explain why or how. Just show how a single cell organism morphed into a cow.Again you're asking for one of the most complex and involved processes known to science to be explained as if it were simple arithmetic. A "flowchart" describing hundreds of millions of years of evolution ending in any specific mammal would be ludicrously complicated. OH WAIT HERE IT IS Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Haha. BUT YOU WEREN'T THERE!!! Link to post Share on other sites
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