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tbh I've never really played limit cash games, but I'd imagine it'd be more to do with NL/PL games. In NLH/PLO, reading the opponent is very important in many hands, and reading skill comes from seeing hands your opponents play. Although there is reading in LHE, the game is alot more mechanical, so that is why I assume it would be easier/better/less-inconveniant to multi-table limit games rather than NL games.and to the OP...look, no one can make a one-stop post telling you what you miss out on by multi-tabling. There is so much you can learn/observe etc. from playing fewer tables (if your goal is to learn and improve, if your goal is to make money at low limits, continue multi-tabling). If you cannot see this, then honestly there is no point talking to you about it. One of dozens examples I can think of is this. When you get to higher stakes, alot of your money will made by making the right decision in big pots. Sometimes this will be a marginal bluff or a marginal call. At the lower stakes, you need not do this. You can make money playing tight, ABC poker, you will be put in very few marginal spots at the lower limits. Multi-tabling is fine here, because you can play ABC poker. However, you will never play much more than ABC poker. You must be able to learn the skills requires to make the big decisions at the higher stakes games. I don't see how you can learn these skills playing 9 tables.Remember OP, multi-tabling is a great thing, and personally if I was you, I'd probably keep multi-tabling until it didn't work for me anymore. However, I'm a short term thinker. What antistuff is saying is that in the long run, it's probably better to ease back on the number of tables you are playing. You will truly learn and experience the game better. If you play 10,000 hands while 4-tabling, those hands (although it will take you twice as long to play them) will teach you more than 10,000 hands 8-tabling. Also, maybe you are more advanced than we give you credit for, but based on what you've said, it seems that you're a relative beginner. That is not to say you don't play the game well, it's just that compared with other big multi-tablers, you are not as experienced.
Thanks for the input but don't make assumptions about how advanced my play is without seeing my play. All I said is that multitabling does help your play to some extent, which is does, I never said that it's better for my game then playing 1 or 2 tables. You have to agree that multitabling or not playing poker will help your play to some extent... I am aware that when multitabling I will miss some things, but those things I am already aware of. I know advanced plays and techniques, I am not a beginner. Please define to what you mean by relative beginner.Antistuff first brought this up randomly that I should only play 1 or 2 tables to give me more experience and to work on my game. I never said that I need to work on my game once during this post. Now everyone says that I am a beginner and need to work on my game. I am completely lost... This post is about me grinding my bankroll up to $1,000 from $50. It's turned into: TheDonk1989 shouldnt be multitabling because hes a beginner and needs to improve his game. Lets get off the subject of multitabling or not, because I have always been aware of the pros and cons of multitabling. My game is at a level to that I dont need to sit down at 1 or 2 tables to learn the game. Whenever I up stakes I normally sit at 1 or 2 games to begin with to get a feel for that level. Once I've done this I add tables as I go. Thanks for your posts but I know more than the basics of NL holdem, my game is at the level to which I can sit at multiple tables and make profit.~Thanks for reading
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GL man, win all that 10nl monies

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I played a session of 10nl with 12 tables. I ran badly and lost a little less than a buy in and eventually grinded it back up.I was able to make profit at the end of this session. I seen so many terrible plays, I didn't see this at 5nl. It's strange how different the play isat 10nl as to 5nl

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Thanks for the input but don't make assumptions about how advanced my play is without seeing my play. All I said is that multitabling does help your play to some extent, which is does, I never said that it's better for my game then playing 1 or 2 tables. You have to agree that multitabling or not playing poker will help your play to some extent... I am aware that when multitabling I will miss some things, but those things I am already aware of. I know advanced plays and techniques, I am not a beginner. Please define to what you mean by relative beginner.Antistuff first brought this up randomly that I should only play 1 or 2 tables to give me more experience and to work on my game. I never said that I need to work on my game once during this post. Now everyone says that I am a beginner and need to work on my game. I am completely lost... This post is about me grinding my bankroll up to $1,000 from $50. It's turned into: TheDonk1989 shouldnt be multitabling because hes a beginner and needs to improve his game. Lets get off the subject of multitabling or not, because I have always been aware of the pros and cons of multitabling. My game is at a level to that I dont need to sit down at 1 or 2 tables to learn the game. Whenever I up stakes I normally sit at 1 or 2 games to begin with to get a feel for that level. Once I've done this I add tables as I go. Thanks for your posts but I know more than the basics of NL holdem, my game is at the level to which I can sit at multiple tables and make profit.~Thanks for reading
if you can beat 1/2 nlhe online then why wouldn't you scrounge up $3k or so and make some very good money? somebody who beats four tables of that with a low winrate makes more money hourly than most of the population. do you have a job where you make 45k a year? because thats what youre looking at part time.there is so much money out there if you can win that everybody assumes that somebody who is playing as low as you are is not an "advanced player". even your average person with a career would be happy with the money they would make playing nl50 for ten hours a week (they would probably get a mortgage payment and a vacation out of it every year). so unless you are some random rich person playing for kicks it follows as a very safe assumption that you are not an expert. i also just gave you an example of the kind of reasoning you are going to miss out on playing 9 tables.
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I'm deffinately not an expert I just said that I wasn't a beginner.I'm trying to work my way up from $50 to those levels. Eventually when I get to the bigger games I won't be multitabling.I'm not gonna jump to 1/2 or 50nl without the proper bankroll, when I am able to then we'll see how it goes.-Thanks for the post

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Watch out, PLO can erase everything you've gained quicker than you gained it. It's such a high variance game that nobody plays it as a roll builder.
Yeah, hit this the hard way. About a week ago, I started to run cold and I was back south of $250. The bleeding's stopped, and I back around $300 again. I'm going to head back to NLHE (haven't decided if I'm going 6max or full ring, I also might play a smaller tournament this weekend), but the change was nice cause I was getting really bored. And when I get bored, I find I start playing WAAAAY too loose. Wish me luck!
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Yeah, hit this the hard way. About a week ago, I started to run cold and I was back south of $250. The bleeding's stopped, and I back around $300 again. I'm going to head back to NLHE (haven't decided if I'm going 6max or full ring, I also might play a smaller tournament this weekend), but the change was nice cause I was getting really bored. And when I get bored, I find I start playing WAAAAY too loose. Wish me luck!
there is way more money in plo right now than in lhe.edit: meant nlhe
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Yeah, hit this the hard way. About a week ago, I started to run cold and I was back south of $250. The bleeding's stopped, and I back around $300 again. I'm going to head back to NLHE (haven't decided if I'm going 6max or full ring, I also might play a smaller tournament this weekend), but the change was nice cause I was getting really bored. And when I get bored, I find I start playing WAAAAY too loose. Wish me luck!
Nice to hear from you again! Good luck on grinding your bankroll. I have that problem also... If I get bored I start to play loose.I dont feel good today. I woke up puking :club: . I gotta migrane, I started to feel better and decided that I couldn't multitable.I played a few hands of .10/.25 and won like $2. I'm probably not gonna play anymore today.
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there is way more money in plo right now than in lhe.
I'm not sure if there's more money, but it feels like there's more loose money. When I run good in PLO, i'm find I'm getting called down with stuff like overpairs or bottom two pair when I've got nut straights. NHLE seems to be playing real tight right now, but that could be there seems to be a bit of tightening up from $.10 NHLE to $.25 NLHE and I haven't adjusted yet.
Nice to hear from you again! Good luck on grinding your bankroll. I have that problem also... If I get bored I start to play loose.I dont feel good today. I woke up puking :club: . I gotta migrane, I started to feel better and decided that I couldn't multitable.I played a few hands of .10/.25 and won like $2. I'm probably not gonna play anymore today.
Sorry to hear that, get well soon!
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I got into the $5 scoop event and that was a bad idea. I felt ok for the first hour but then my head was killing me. I kept going all in and got knocked out and ran to the darkness of my room. So lesson learned, no poker when I have a migrane. I've got poker withdrawals... I've been so bored these past days.

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I got into the $5 scoop event and that was a bad idea. I felt ok for the first hour but then my head was killing me. I kept going all in and got knocked out and ran to the darkness of my room. So lesson learned, no poker when I have a migrane. I've got poker withdrawals... I've been so bored these past days.
Seriously. Get to the doctor. 2 day migraine's aren't normal.
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Seriously. Get to the doctor. 2 day migraine's aren't normal.
Nah I've had them since I was 5. I get them for 5 days straight. First day, wake up puking. Second day-4th day, can hardly walk. 5th day, better but light sensitivity. Yeah its pretty bad. Today I felt perky and was able to play a bit.
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Nah I've had them since I was 5. I get them for 5 days straight. First day, wake up puking. Second day-4th day, can hardly walk. 5th day, better but light sensitivity. Yeah its pretty bad. Today I felt perky and was able to play a bit.
LOL, that's like someone saying "Nah, I've had chest pain for the past 20 years, it's not a problem." Have you actually looked into it?
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Yeah, hit this the hard way. About a week ago, I started to run cold and I was back south of $250. The bleeding's stopped, and I back around $300 again. I'm going to head back to NLHE (haven't decided if I'm going 6max or full ring, I also might play a smaller tournament this weekend), but the change was nice cause I was getting really bored. And when I get bored, I find I start playing WAAAAY too loose. Wish me luck!
I hear ya, I've actually started playing micro stakes PLO again myself. It's amazing, NLHE just can't hold my attention for very long. Eventually I start straying to some of the more interesting games. I've put in a few sessions at .01-.02 full table PLO but I'm going to try 6-max for a while.
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LOL, that's like someone saying "Nah, I've had chest pain for the past 20 years, it's not a problem." Have you actually looked into it?
Yeah lol. I've been going to the doctor, neurologist, ever since ive had them. They just say they are chronic migranes. I've had several catscans and nothing has been wrong. I just have medicine for them whenever I get them.I get them almost every 4-5 months
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I was playing 10nl when this happend. It was folded to me with AA and I wanted to get something out of it.I raised it 2.5x to make it look like a steal, I guess it worked.Bold is hero, meRed is the donkAfter the 3rd deuce hit the river I knew I was golden.If anyone has a hand converter and wants to make it easier to read feel free.PokerStars Game #26683461217: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/04/03 14:02:44 CT [2009/04/03 15:02:44 ET]Table 'Ilsewa III' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 2: PowerpaeT ($1.85 in chips) Seat 3: Nicorman ($4.15 in chips) Seat 4: vendu ($10.80 in chips) Seat 5: TheDonk1989 ($8.35 in chips) Seat 6: tapiovaara ($10 in chips) Seat 7: TimmyReichel ($6 in chips) Seat 8: Pestion ($8.25 in chips) Seat 9: elmeen ($11.75 in chips) tapiovaara: posts small blind $0.05TimmyReichel: posts big blind $0.10*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to TheDonk1989 [Ah As]Pestion: folds paddleballer joins the table at seat #1 elmeen: folds PowerpaeT: folds Nicorman: folds vendu: folds TheDonk1989: raises $0.15 to $0.25tapiovaara: folds TimmyReichel: calls $0.15*** FLOP *** [Kd 4s 2d]TimmyReichel: bets $0.50TheDonk1989: raises $1 to $1.50TimmyReichel: calls $1*** TURN *** [Kd 4s 2d] [2s]TimmyReichel: checks TheDonk1989: bets $1.20TimmyReichel: calls $1.20*** RIVER *** [Kd 4s 2d 2s] [2h]TimmyReichel: bets $3.05 and is all-inTheDonk1989: calls $3.05*** SHOW DOWN ***TimmyReichel: shows [8d 7d] (three of a kind, Deuces)TheDonk1989: shows [Ah As] (a full house, Deuces full of Aces)TheDonk1989 collected $11.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $12.05 | Rake $0.55 Board [Kd 4s 2d 2s 2h]Seat 2: PowerpaeT folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Nicorman folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: vendu folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: TheDonk1989 (button) showed [Ah As] and won ($11.50) with a full house, Deuces full of AcesSeat 6: tapiovaara (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: TimmyReichel (big blind) showed [8d 7d] and lost with three of a kind, DeucesSeat 8: Pestion folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: elmeen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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I raised it 2.5x to make it look like a steal, I guess it worked.
This isnt really an issue in cash games. Just raise your normal 3bb amount like you would any other hand.
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This isnt really an issue in cash games. Just raise your normal 3bb amount like you would any other hand.
That's true but raising to 2.5x makes it look like an obvious steal. So either way 3x or 2.5x it doesnt matter. I went with 2.5x because I wanted it to look like a total steal. It worked because he called me with 78s and thought I was bluffing the entire way.
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That's true but raising to 2.5x makes it look like an obvious steal. So either way 3x or 2.5x it doesnt matter. I went with 2.5x because I wanted it to look like a total steal. It worked because he called me with 78s and thought I was bluffing the entire way.
When you're making an 'obvious steal' you do everything to make it NOT look like an 'obvious steal', am I right? Just get value for your hand and raise the 3bb. He's going to call here with 78s for either sized raise, so stop thinking your outplaying him by raising 2.5bb's. Also, it's super standard for someone to miss a draw and shove the river.Also, the next time this happens and villian shows up with 23o your post is going to be "OMG how can this fish call my pfr with 23o :club::(:ts:(:4h". Think about it.
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When you're making an 'obvious steal' you do everything to make it NOT look like an 'obvious steal', am I right? Just get value for your hand and raise the 3bb. He's going to call here with 78s for either sized raise, so stop thinking your outplaying him by raising 2.5bb's. Also, it's super standard for someone to miss a draw and shove the river.Also, the next time this happens and villian shows up with 23o your post is going to be "OMG how can this fish call my pfr with 23o :club::(:ts:(:4h". Think about it.
Wrong, at these levels the obvious steal becomes: "I've gotta solid read! THis guy is stealing!!!" There's 5 cents difference when getting "value for my hand..."Its not super standard for someone to shove when they missed... seeing how he had $3 which was pot, a decent chunk of change at 10nl. If you call to see a flop with 78s, looking like a steal or not your probably gonna lose more than you make, as we saw here. You can't say anything about my play here... seeing how I got MAXIMUM VALUE.So if hes gonna call my raise with 23o 2.5x hes gonna call a 3x raise... So either way. Even if that happend no way would he have called a raise with low pair...Maybe you should think about it...Dont say I didnt out play him if you werent there... Lemme guess, it was all luck??
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Wrong, at these levels the obvious steal becomes: "I've gotta solid read! THis guy is stealing!!!" There's 5 cents difference when getting "value for my hand..."Its not super standard for someone to shove when they missed... seeing how he had $3 which was pot, a decent chunk of change at 10nl. If you call to see a flop with 78s, looking like a steal or not your probably gonna lose more than you make, as we saw here. You can't say anything about my play here... seeing how I got MAXIMUM VALUE.So if hes gonna call my raise with 23o 2.5x hes gonna call a 3x raise... So either way. Even if that happend no way would he have called a 3 bet raise with low pair...Maybe you should think about it...Dont say I didnt out play him if you werent there... Lemme guess, it was all luck??
First bolded partThese two senarios are what happens so much of the time:You raise AA 2.5x from the button and big blind calls with 78s, flops nothing and folds on the flop.You raise AA 3x from the button and big blind calls with 78s, flops noting and folds on the flop.Which play gets max value over 10k hands?Second bolded part:SO RAISE YOUR STANDARD RAISE! Is this really hard to understand?By your logic, just call the bb when you have AA so everyone calls and you trap everyone lolololol111!!111oneThird bolded part:What the hell does this mean... seriously? 3 bet? Do you even know what you're saying? If he thinks you're on an "obvious steal" as you put it, then he would definitely call with bottom pair, because you're bluffing.
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Ok I'll do everything you said to do next time. I never limp with aces with full ring game, How is that my logic? Suddenly raising 2.5x is the new limp??So I got MAXIMUM VALUE for this hand yet I played it completely wrong?? I'm pretty sure he thought I was bluffing or else he wouldnt have shoved all in on the river after missing his draw.He pushed in hopes that I was making a play the entire way, which I wasn't, I out played him.Either way I got ALL of his chips, hence max value.You know what that means right?There is nothing wrong with my play period... If I wouldve raised 3x who knows what wouldve happend?? I raised 2.5x and this happend.So its either you raise 2.5x and get all of his chips or raise 3x and it could've worked the same, we dont know.If he does call my post flop raise with low pair because he thinks im bluffing then I played it perfectly. I wanted him to think I was bluffing, he wouldve sucked out...Key phrase: I wanted him to think I was bluffing so he would make a play at me, giving me more money, giving me max value.Most decisions made by players are done so on a whim... that's why this hand was played this way. He made up his mind that I was stealing and making a play at him, probably because I made a 2.5x raise preflop.

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Ok I'll do everything you said to do next time. I never limp with aces with full ring game, How the hell is that my logic? Suddenly raising 2.5x is the new limp?? wtf?So I got MAXIMUM VALUE for this hand yet I played it completely wrong?? I'm pretty sure he thought I was bluffing or else he wouldnt have shoved all in on the river after missing his draw.He pushed in hopes that I was making a play the entire way, which I wasn't, I out played him.Either way I got ALL of his chips, hence max value.You know what that means right?There is nothing wrong with my play period... If I wouldve raised 3x who knows what wouldve happend?? I raised 2.5x and this happend.So its either your 2.5x raise was the correct play or the 3x raise could've worked the same. If he does call my post flop raise with low pair because he thinks im bluffing then I played it perfectly. I wanted him to think I was bluffing, he wouldve sucked out...Key phrase: I wanted him to think I was bluffing so he would make a play at me, giving me more money, giving me max value.Most decisions made by players are done so on a whim... that's why this hand was played this way. He made up his mind that I was stealing and making a play at him.
My whole issue in all of this came from your preflop play. Your play in the hand was 100% fine, stop arguing things that I'm not arguing about. Anyway, I'm over it. Good luck getting to $1000 and I sincerely mean that.
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My whole issue in all of this came from your preflop play. Your play in the hand was 100% fine, stop arguing things that I'm not arguing about. Anyway, I'm over it. Good luck getting to $1000 and I sincerely mean that.
Ok thanks man, I'm over it too. Pretty heated discussion lmao. Good luck with your play as well.
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That's true but raising to 2.5x makes it look like an obvious steal. So either way 3x or 2.5x it doesnt matter. I went with 2.5x because I wanted it to look like a total steal. It worked because he called me with 78s and thought I was bluffing the entire way.
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