rdtedm 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Thoughts? Fairly early in the match and I have no previous data on himFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($51.55)Hero ($58.85)Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 6. Button raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $5.5, Button calls $4.Flop: ($11.25) 7, 8, A(2 players)Hero bets $6.5, Button calls $6.50.Turn: ($24.25) K(2 players)Hero ???Final Pot: $52.25I'd bet a little more (~$8) on the flop. Definitely betting turn again. BTW, final pot gives away the action almost Link to post Share on other sites
ah2388 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 i barrel that turn unless you think he might give you a free one. Without having much info, its hard to say how often hes flatting ax to a 3bet Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Thoughts? Fairly early in the match and I have no previous data on himFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($51.55)Hero ($58.85)Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 6. Button raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $5.5, Button calls $4.Flop: ($11.25) 7, 8, A(2 players)Hero bets $6.5, Button calls $6.50.Turn: ($24.25) K(2 players)Hero ???Final Pot: $52.25Check/shove baby! Link to post Share on other sites
mln_falcon 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I love how you not only beat me to it, but independantly wrote up almost the exact same description as I did and even chose the same hands.Except, he said that 60SKD (SKlansky Dollars) were earned, and you said 80SKD were earned. Who is right? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Except, he said that 60SKD (SKlansky Dollars) were earned, and you said 80SKD were earned. Who is right?Semantics.You have $160 in sklanksy bucks equity, you made $60 SB profit.Or because Acid's example was for a $100 pot rather than $200, it's $80 sklansky bucks, and $30 SB profit. Link to post Share on other sites
Painter567 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Thoughts? Fairly early in the match and I have no previous data on himFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($51.55)Hero ($58.85)Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 6. Button raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $5.5, Button calls $4.Flop: ($11.25) 7, 8, A(2 players)Hero bets $6.5, Button calls $6.50.Turn: ($24.25) K(2 players)Hero ???Final Pot: $52.25Arr in... Link to post Share on other sites
mln_falcon 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Semantics.You have $160 in sklanksy bucks equity, you made $60 SB profit.Or because Acid's example was for a $100 pot rather than $200, it's $80 sklansky bucks, and $30 SB profit.lol, I don;t even read the post properly and just assumed one of you was wrong. I apologise for ever doubting you. Link to post Share on other sites
Napa_Don 688 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I'd bet a little more (~$8) on the flop. Definitely betting turn again. BTW, final pot gives away the action almost Sigh... Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 God Phil Hellmuth is so bad at cash games.4-way pot, guy bets 4k into a 4100 pot on a A975 board with K4, Hellmuth calls with JT. River 4, guy checks, Phil checks it back. Apparently he thought his JT high had a chance at being good. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 God Phil Hellmuth is so bad at cash games.4-way pot, guy bets 4k into a 4100 pot on a A975 board with K4, Hellmuth calls with JT. River 4, guy checks, Phil checks it back. Apparently he thought his JT high had a chance at being good.Haven't you heard of a delayed bluff before? Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Haven't you heard of a delayed bluff before?1) Call the turn with air2) Check behind on the river with Jack high3) ?????4) Profit Link to post Share on other sites
Giggidy 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Just about to have first session after a few days off - any micro pwners fancy a rail? Link to post Share on other sites
TeeSludge 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 What you guys think best line is here on the flop. This guy was super passive post and this is the first time he raised me postflop in 125 hands. He always check called with any pair including tptk and he also 3bet a decent amount so I would think AK and AQ prob 3bet pre but he has flatted with AJ. I think its better for me to flat here rather than 3bet because his hand range is really narrowed to A4, 44 or air.. im never folding but I figure I should let him bet his air again on the turn. FWIW I started out cbetting like 100% but he wasn't ever folding so I started checking back a lot of air. Thoughts?Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersThe Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterHero (BTN/SB): $600.00BB: $305.25Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with 4 K Hero raises to $12, BB calls $8Flop: ($24.00) A 4 K (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $17, BB raises to $57, Hero ? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 1) Call the turn with air2) Check behind on the river with Jack high3) ?????4) ProfitThe delayed bluff (and hence profit) comes in a later hand. Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 What you guys think best line is here on the flop.I like it. If you know you aren't letting go, you can call a turn bet or bet back into him if he checks. Not sure what I would do OOP. Link to post Share on other sites
gilbertology 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I'm about to purchase PT3-any reason why I shouldn't do this? I thought PokerEV was coming out soon but I don't know if it has a firm release date.I got a new desktop almost a week ago that's super sweet and hooked up dual 24' monitors so I can play more tables/watch more porn etc.http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_...duct_id=0291281My new monitor is much brighter than my old one, I don't really care tho.http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_...duct_id=0291723I've been playing short cash game sessions and tourneys this past week without a HUD and sometimes I wish I had numbers on ppl.While I'm asking questions what are some good recent CardRunners vids to watch? They can be any game, I just want to be amused. I've had CR for almost two years and have watched like 1 video a month. I def squeeze max value out of my subscription.Edit: Simo I will pay for your ticket if you fly out here and make my computer setup awesome for the pokers Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I'm about to purchase PT3-any reason why I shouldn't do this? I thought PokerEV was coming out soon but I don't know if it has a firm release date.I got a new desktop almost a week ago that's super sweet and hooked up dual 24' monitors so I can play more tables/watch more porn etc.http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_...duct_id=0291281My new monitor is much brighter than my old one, I don't really care tho.I've been playing short cash game sessions and tourneys this past week without a HUD and sometimes I wish I had numbers on ppl.While I'm asking questions what are some good recent CardRunners vids to watch? They can be any game, I just want to be amused. I've had CR for almost two years and have watched like 1 video a month. I def squeeze max value out of my subscription.Holdem Manager is better than PT3 (PT3 still has a lot of bugs and performance issues, and still lacks any luck stats). PokerEV will almost certainly blow both of them away.PokerEV *should* (I hope) be out by the end of the month. Link to post Share on other sites
gilbertology 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 What you guys think best line is here on the flop. This guy was super passive post and this is the first time he raised me postflop in 125 hands. He always check called with any pair including tptk and he also 3bet a decent amount so I would think AK and AQ prob 3bet pre but he has flatted with AJ. I think its better for me to flat here rather than 3bet because his hand range is really narrowed to A4, 44 or air.. im never folding but I figure I should let him bet his air again on the turn. FWIW I started out cbetting like 100% but he wasn't ever folding so I started checking back a lot of air. Thoughts?Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersThe Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterHero (BTN/SB): $600.00BB: $305.25Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with 4 K Hero raises to $12, BB calls $8Flop: ($24.00) A 4 K (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $17, BB raises to $57, Hero ?Yeh it seems like he can only have A4, 44, an overplayed Ax, or air here so I'd just call flop, and call turn if he leads else bet. Link to post Share on other sites
gilbertology 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Holdem Manager is better than PT3 (PT3 still has a lot of bugs and performance issues, and still lacks any luck stats). PokerEV will almost certainly blow both of them away.PokerEV *should* (I hope) be out by the end of the month.I think I need to get PT3 now just to have a hud but if PokerEV looks good when it comes out I might get that and return my PT3. I hope they let me do that. Link to post Share on other sites
Giggidy 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Sorry not converted, still playingFull Tilt Poker Game #7328603207: Table Everly (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:02:20 ET - 2008/07/22Seat 1: sned1don ($10.60)Seat 2: GiggidyFT ($10)Seat 4: Denis Mc Donald ($13.40)Seat 5: chibburashka ($13.05)Seat 6: artyswiss ($6)Denis Mc Donald posts the small blind of $0.05chibburashka posts the big blind of $0.10The button is in seat #3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GiggidyFT [Qs Qc]artyswiss raises to $0.35sned1don foldsGiggidyFT raises to $0.60Denis Mc Donald foldschibburashka foldsartyswiss calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [7h Th 2h]artyswiss bets $1.35GiggidyFT has 15 seconds left to actaquiGool sits downaquiGool adds $10Denis Mc Donald is sitting outGiggidyFT calls $1.35*** TURN *** [7h Th 2h] [Kd]artyswiss has 15 seconds left to actartyswiss bets $1GiggidyFT has 15 seconds left to actGiggidyFT adds $1.95aquiGool stands upGiggidyFT foldsUncalled bet of $1 returned to artyswissartyswiss mucksartyswiss wins the pot ($3.65)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $4.05 | Rake $0.40Board: [7h Th 2h Kd]Seat 1: sned1don didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: GiggidyFT folded on the TurnSeat 4: Denis Mc Donald (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 5: chibburashka (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 6: artyswiss collected ($3.65), muckedVillain is 31/12/2 over only 25 handsSmall bet concerned me as did the donk on the floop?? Link to post Share on other sites
TeeSludge 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I like it. If you know you aren't letting go, you can call a turn bet or bet back into him if he checks. Not sure what I would do OOP.I wouldn't have K4o oop Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Sorry not converted, still playingFull Tilt Poker Game #7328603207: Table Everly (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:02:20 ET - 2008/07/22Seat 1: sned1don ($10.60)Seat 2: GiggidyFT ($10)Seat 4: Denis Mc Donald ($13.40)Seat 5: chibburashka ($13.05)Seat 6: artyswiss ($6)Denis Mc Donald posts the small blind of $0.05chibburashka posts the big blind of $0.10The button is in seat #3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GiggidyFT [Qs Qc]artyswiss raises to $0.35sned1don foldsGiggidyFT raises to $0.60Denis Mc Donald foldschibburashka foldsartyswiss calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [7h Th 2h]artyswiss bets $1.35GiggidyFT has 15 seconds left to actaquiGool sits downaquiGool adds $10Denis Mc Donald is sitting outGiggidyFT calls $1.35*** TURN *** [7h Th 2h] [Kd]artyswiss has 15 seconds left to actartyswiss bets $1GiggidyFT has 15 seconds left to actGiggidyFT adds $1.95aquiGool stands upGiggidyFT foldsUncalled bet of $1 returned to artyswissartyswiss mucksartyswiss wins the pot ($3.65)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $4.05 | Rake $0.40Board: [7h Th 2h Kd]Seat 1: sned1don didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: GiggidyFT folded on the TurnSeat 4: Denis Mc Donald (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 5: chibburashka (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 6: artyswiss collected ($3.65), muckedVillain is 31/12/2 over only 25 handsSmall bet concerned me as did the donk on the floop??[ ] Min-3betting preflop is sometimes a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I think I need to get PT3 now just to have a hud but if PokerEV looks good when it comes out I might get that and return my PT3. I hope they let me do that.HEM offers a trial period. I think it's something like 2.5K hands which may do you for a little while if you're not doing a lot of volume. I had PT2 & GT+ and have been trying out HEM and like it fairly well so far. Mostly for the things that all the next gen trackers have like 3-bet/fold to 3-bet kind of stats.I like the way filtering works in PEV much better than the way it works in HEM. Also HEM doesn't do "sklansky bucks" calculations on all showdown hands but only all-in hands which seems kinda lame to me. Assuming the PEV has all the basic functions of HEM I think it's going to be the clear winner. Right now I'd likely chose HEM over PT3 just because from what I've heard PT3 still isn't totally stable. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 For more fun showdown graphs. My database is from March, just before I went on a month-long road trip. It's missing a ton of hands played on Java. I don't quite lose money in showdown hands, but I'm not exactly making bank.Also, Acid and I have the same phenomenon where we're running bad (or in his case, slightly above expectation) overall, but running really, really well in All In EV. Anyone have any idea why that might be the case?Wow... Here is my HU graph since I started playing. Completely opposite. Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I wouldn't have K4o oop HU is a beast I know nothing about... Figured anyone could have anything in that satan's spawn of a game. Link to post Share on other sites
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