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[Naismith 0]

For the record, I almost always raise the flop, but I do sometimes float and delay my bluff to the turn. One constant is that I always, always bluff in this spot.

[LJB723 0]

I know this is a tourney but its still hu and no-one is looking at the tournament forum right now. Tell me this is beyond standard please...?CryptologicNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $7/$152 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $1455BB: $1545Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with Q Q Hero raises to $45, BB calls.Flop: 9 5 2 ($90, 2 players)BB bets $15, Hero raises to $90, BB calls.Turn: 6 ($270, 2 players)BB bets $15, Hero raises to $300, BB calls.River: 3 ($870, 2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $600, BB raises all-in $1110, Hero calls all-in $420.Uncalled bets: $90 returned to BB.Results:Final pot: $2910This hand has now been in 3 different threads. Copernicus, who I think is a very good poster doesn't like it and reckons I should flat the turn. That seems awful to me. Thoughts from the HU buffs?

[No_Neck 0]

I know this is a tourney but its still hu and no-one is looking at the tournament forum right now. Tell me this is beyond standard please...?CryptologicNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $7/$152 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $1455BB: $1545Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with Q Q Hero raises to $45, BB calls.Flop: 9 5 2 ($90, 2 players)BB bets $15, Hero raises to $90, BB calls.Turn: 6 ($270, 2 players)BB bets $15, Hero raises to $300, BB calls.River: 3 ($870, 2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $600, BB raises all-in $1110, Hero calls all-in $420.Uncalled bets: $90 returned to BB.Results:Final pot: $2910This hand has now been in 3 different threads. Copernicus, who I think is a very good poster doesn't like it and reckons I should flat the turn. That seems awful to me. Thoughts from the HU buffs?

I am weaker than most of the aggrotards that post here... but I check the river

[trystero 0]

Yup, check behind on turn. No sensible pair makes it to the river. I assume we'll see two pair combinations the most, and every so often a set or 34.Flatting turn makes no sense; when someone donks the minimum into me, and I planned on betting anyway, I view it as a check and raise it up 99% of the time - so I'm getting value out of weaker hands and also forcing him to define his own because calling a raise demands strength.

[Naismith 0]

...when someone donks the minimum into me, and I planned on betting anyway, I view it as a check and raise it up 99% of the time - so I'm getting value out of weaker hands and also forcing him to define his own because calling a raise demands strength.

I agree with this, sort of. When someone bets the minimum into me, I view it as weaker than a check and raise it up a little more than 99% of the time.

[tskillz187 0]

I played HU this morning against two shorts and made $13. None of the information in these pages was helpful. It was all me baby.

[Acid_Knight 2]

This hand has now been in 3 different threads. Copernicus, who I think is a very good poster doesn't like it and reckons I should flat the turn. That seems awful to me. Thoughts from the HU buffs?

Flatting the turn would be criminally bad given your hand and the board texture.The river sucks balls when he c/r because you're virtually never winning. I think I bet smaller on the river because the hands that you want a call from have a hard time calling a bet that big anyway, and when he does c/r, it makes more sense to fold your hand.

[shinzilla 0]

http://www.cardrunners.com/members/replaye...ession_id=49663Tear me apart. I know the first 77 hand is terrible... I don't know what I was thinking.

[LJB723 0]

http://www.cardrunners.com/members/replaye...ession_id=49663Tear me apart. I know the first 77 hand is terrible... I don't know what I was thinking.

Meh, you were open ended on the turn to go with a pair on an otherwise safe board. I think you need to find a second bullet. Granted I didn't look at every hand but a lot of small pots were lost because you gave up your bluff on the turn. He's going to find it hard to call a 2nd bet with bottom pair.EDIT: Just saw J9 hand when he bet pot on the river after you bet twice,

[SlapStick 0]

First, yay for this thread, about time. Acid, finally watched your video, good stuff, would happily watch more. Sometimes you think so fast it was a bit hard to grasp some of your thinking behind hands but it was a great video.Right people, I have some questions.Took down a staked 4.40 so gave 3 stakes and jumped onto heads up. Obviously ridiculous br, but well, I didnt really care as I have just been playing live and getting money online is a headache in Israel and I can't play heads up live.So I went to heads up. Played 2 short stackers busted both, but I have these questions. One was standard not folding much player, he was limping continously from the button which we like, but when I was out of position I was being pretty passive in these spots. Unless I made a hand, I was pretty much check folding. If he bet his bluff bet amount, I'd re-raise or call and attack on the turn but asides from that, I was pretty much checking it away without much resistance, is this ok?When he limps from the button and is most likely calling raises, are we raising with 33 and 22 here? K j?I c-bet every hand I raised, completely standard agaisnt donks, right?Do you re-load automatically? . Down 5bbs, or 10 bbs etc. I was doing it, as it makes sense, but just wondering. If someones calling every raise and is a station afterwards, we just shore up and play tight, or raise to take it down when he misses the flop.And then this is a vent post of a hand that busted me, as never endingly argued out above, I'm fine with criticism as I played terrible. I decided to mix it up, its the first time I haven't c-bet the flop. Player seems competent, raises every button but has been calling a lot more of my raises from oop. Went on a bit of a rush and I doubled him up with AA losing to J 10, he called a 3-bet and made trips on the flop.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($98.50)Sham Shaft ($68.05)Preflop: Sham Shaft is Button with J, J. Sham Shaft raises to $1.5, BB calls $1.Flop: ($3) J, 7, 4(2 players)BB checks, Sham Shaft checks.Turn: ($3) 9(2 players)BB checks, Sham Shaft checks.River: ($3) 5(2 players)BB bets $3.5, Sham Shaft raises to $9, BB raises to $97, Sham Shaft calls $57.55 (All-In).Final Pot: $136.10Results in white below: BB has 3d 8d (flush, nine high). Sham Shaft has Jh Js (three of a kind, jacks). Outcome: BB wins $166.55. I realise its absolutely terrible, this was me "mixing it up" then I decided to let it go to the river, diamonds scared and he called me down for 2 big bluffs recently so I figured I could make some at the end over betting or something, then he bet in to me.Flop and turn terrible, I cant really be ahead on river.When he went all in I sighed, and said "fine I'll fold" clicked time bank, checked the cashier, none left, I had reloaded, then as I sighed, I told myself he has two pair and figures me for something like ace 9 or over pair, 2 seconds later I was groaning at myself.Just one of those you know you have to fold things, but a 2 second blood rush, and the fact you can win by pressing call gets you.So theres some questions and feel free to destroy me with the hand, its just the river bet that gets me. He hadn't done it once, one of the reasons I was folding.....

[Acid_Knight 2]

I'll answer the other questions in a bit, but:Once a guy overbets a river on that board, you shouldn't raise JJ. He's not usually overbetting 1 or 2 pair for value and he's gonna show you a flush or air the vast majority of the time. Since you did decide to raise (which really isn't the end of the world since your hand was kind of underrepped), you can never ever ever ever call there. You called off like almsot 120BBs on the river of a board with 2 different possible straights and 3 diamonds, and you just had a set. Nobody is ever shoving 2 pair for value in that spot. FWIW, his shove is terrible also since basically, your range for raising him should usually be a flush (bigger than his obv) or air.Also, slowplaying is fine if you're checking back other flops and doing things like that, but that's a very bad board to slowplay on. I'm sure you've figured this all out though.

[Acid_Knight 2]

When he limps from the button and is most likely calling raises, are we raising with 33 and 22 here? K j?

What is he calling with? What is he betting with post flop? When you start asking yourself questions about what he's gonna do, the answers for what you're gonna do become painfully obvious. If he's limping any 2 and betting every flop, you might want to make him pay 5BBs to see a flop if you have 22, so you have control of the hand since you're gonna c/f most flops anyway. Maybe you wanna mix up KJ, since you'll flop TPGK a lot and will get money in when you have him donimated. You can also raise the hand for value.

I c-bet every hand I raised, completely standard agaisnt donks, right?

How are they reacting? Are they checkraising with air? Are they making it unprofitable for you to c-bet every flop?I think that once you start learning about the game, you can answer a lot of your own questions by just asking yourself about what your opponent is doing.If you want to know if it's good to c-bet 100% of flops, just think about what he's doing. Is he checkraising every other flop? If yes, maybe we should c-bet less.

[Naismith 0]

If you want to know if it's good to c-bet 100% of flops, just think about what he's doing. Is he checkraising every other flop? If yes, maybe we should c-bet less.

I will actually raise and give up on hands every so often that I completely miss even if I think I can take it. For instance, I raise with 87 and the flop is QT2. I'll check back sometimes, not because I necessarily think it hits a good part of my opponent's range, but because I don't mind checking down the occasional hand and losing to K-high so that my opponent thinks, "He checks behind when he misses."Pairs OOP can get tricky. The CR pros suggest being aggressive with them. My experience is that small pairs are difficult to play because my opponents like the call button much more than the fold button.

[Sheiky 0]

CTS defends 32s from the BB as standardDiscuss

[ROBBBIGG 0]

CTS defends 32s from the BB as standardDiscuss

does he?even so, he's the best so he could probably defend with no cards

[fckthis 0]

CTS defends 32s from the BB as standardDiscuss

its not standard. nothing in CTS' game is standard. Alot of what he does has to do with table dynamics, gameflow and metagame. He's playing his opponents view of him more then the cards. Something that can only be done against a thinking opponent. Dont get it twisted

[CobaltBlue 662]

Say you're playing 10/20 NL with a guy that literally never raises PF when playing 3-5 handed...he only limps. While 3-handed, he limps the button, you pop to $70 in the BB, he shoves for $1.1k and you call w/ AQs.Later, you're playing him heads-up with effective stacks of $1.7k. He limps on the button, you raise to $70, he shoves, and you fold. A few hands later, he limps on the button, you raise to $70, and he shoves. What's the worst pair that you call with?Extra note, he does sometimes raise to $60 while HU.

[cwik 0]

Say you're playing 10/20 NL with a guy that literally never raises PF when playing 3-5 handed...he only limps. While 3-handed, he limps the button, you pop to $70 in the BB, he shoves for $1.1k and you call w/ AQs.Later, you're playing him heads-up with effective stacks of $1.7k. He limps on the button, you raise to $70, he shoves, and you fold. A few hands later, he limps on the button, you raise to $70, and he shoves. What's the worst pair that you call with?Extra note, he does sometimes raise to $60 while HU.

I am still thinking 99 or 88 as the tweener. I don't particularly like 22. Edit: Also, I just wanna point out that from my experience, the limp/raise is generally very strong, however the limp/shove is generally pretty weak.

[Sheiky 0]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (2 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button ($30.10)Hero ($26.40)Preflop: Hero is BB with A , K . Button raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.8, Button calls $1.80.Flop: ($5.45) K , 8 , T (2 players)Hero bets $4, Button calls $4.Turn: ($13.45) 9 (2 players)Hero ?Villain has an aggro factor of less than one over 100 hands

[cwik 0]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (2 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button ($30.10)Hero ($26.40)Preflop: Hero is BB with A , K . Button raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.8, Button calls $1.80.Flop: ($5.45) K , 8 , T (2 players)Hero bets $4, Button calls $4.Turn: ($13.45) 9 (2 players)Hero bets $11, Button ?Villain has an aggro factor of less than one over 100 hands

FYP

[Sheiky 0]

And calling a shove i'm assuming?

[Acid_Knight 2]

FYP

Pleased to be sending me hands sir.

[SlapStick 0]

I'll answer the other questions in a bit, but:Once a guy overbets a river on that board, you shouldn't raise JJ. He's not usually overbetting 1 or 2 pair for value and he's gonna show you a flush or air the vast majority of the time. Since you did decide to raise (which really isn't the end of the world since your hand was kind of underrepped), you can never ever ever ever call there. You called off like almsot 120BBs on the river of a board with 2 different possible straights and 3 diamonds, and you just had a set. Nobody is ever shoving 2 pair for value in that spot. FWIW, his shove is terrible also since basically, your range for raising him should usually be a flush (bigger than his obv) or air.Also, slowplaying is fine if you're checking back other flops and doing things like that, but that's a very bad board to slowplay on. I'm sure you've figured this all out though.

Yea I basically posted it as I had questions and it happened 20 minutes before me posting, more of a whine/vent at the whole hand and what I did with it. I was free rolling basically of a win on a staked 180, playing with one buy in at 7am after 4 hour tourney, so pretty sure Im not folding trips when I can close my eyes and call. It was the first time I'd checked back after raising so he pretty much owned my soul.Anyway new question, When I finally sort out my depositing problems I'll be posting here plenty. I already have no rakeback accounts on FTP and Stars, so I'm looking for a good site with rakeback.Anyone know about Cake for heads up? if its busy, good, lowest limit. I'm in Israel so basically the same as America with sites its allowed on etc, so its ok for depositing?I was able to use my CC for Stars, but I've maxed it on travelling/health expenses and have to wait until I can transfer money back from here to it, which is becoming a hell of a lot of effort. I don't really want to use an e-wallet etc, would prefer straight up credit card.If anyone has info, cheers in advance

[SlapStick 0]

Any Thoughts on this? nitty villian who was on major tilt, my buy in is only money invested and he was cursing every second but before that super nitty.I think turn is standard, not sure about flopFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB ($104.75)Hero (Button) ($132)Preflop: Hero is Button with J, 9Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1Flop: ($3) 9, Q, 10(2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $4Turn: ($15) 9(2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB calls $15River: ($45) 8(2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $35, SB raises to $82.25 (All-In)

[SlapStick 0]

I'm just going to blather on in here btw....How bad is this...hes standard good player. I keep playng shorties then a full stack sits down and I say I'll check for a few hands to see if hes terrible, then I lose some money and never leaveFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSham Shaft (SB) ($53.85)Button ($111.50)Preflop: Sham Shaft is SB with A, QButton raises to $1.50, Sham Shaft raises to $5, Button raises to $19, Sham Shaft calls $14Flop: ($38) 6, 7, K(2 players)Total pot: $38