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Back to serious questions.1) Assume 6-max 25 or 50NL. Is open limping ever acceptable? If we're UTG w/ deuces, are we raising everytime?2) What are some good cash game stats to shoot for at 6-max assuming we want to play a TAG style?

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OK I have a question. I have only asked a few strat questions in my time here on FP and unfortunatley I get a lot of fold that hand preflop answers. I have also heard you say playing suited connectors from early to middle position is a leak. So how are we supposed to switch up our play a bit if we don't do this on occasion? I played QJsooted from MP and asked a question about it and every said fold pre-flop. When getting these responses it is almost like saying play JJ or better to open only in late position.I know this is not a specific situation question, but could you maybe give some thoughts on this?

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Back to serious questions.1) Assume 6-max 25 or 50NL. Is open limping ever acceptable? If we're UTG w/ deuces, are we raising everytime?2) What are some good cash game stats to shoot for at 6-max assuming we want to play a TAG style?
1. No. Yes.2. Don't focus on stats, focus on ranges and playing more hands in position. I don't analyze stats much so this would be a better question to ask Simo and I'm sure it's been addressed countless times.
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OK I have a question. I have only asked a few strat questions in my time here on FP and unfortunatley I get a lot of fold that hand preflop answers. I have also heard you say playing suited connectors from early to middle position is a leak. So how are we supposed to switch up our play a bit if we don't do this on occasion? I played QJsooted from MP and asked a question about it and every said fold pre-flop. When getting these responses it is almost like saying play JJ or better to open only in late position.I know this is not a specific situation question, but could you maybe give some thoughts on this?
Are we talking 6m or full ring? At full ring, playing hands from EP for the most part is just an exercise in patience since you need such strong hand ranges since you're going to be playing OOP to people whose hand ranges are specifically stronger since they're getting involved with an EP raiser. Basically, since they are assuming that your hand is stronger, their hands must be stronger by default to play and it is just a bad spot for you.At 6max, you have a lot of creative licenses to do what you want depending on your image and the way the people at the table are playing. If there are a lot of calling stations or really aggro players, you're going to just want to keep things simple and play stronger hands when you'll be OOP. The other crucual thing is that you come in RAISING. If you're raising, often times your hand is immaterial because you're forcing your opponent to make hands. I know this is very basic, but people seem to forget it. I've seen some of CTS's CR videos and he basically says that he's opening any SC's down to like 45s UTG if the game conditions are right. What is right for him isn't necessarily right for you, but you should be able to recognize when it will be profitable to open weak hands in EP.As far as playing them to a raise, most of the time, don't. Unless the pot has been raised and called and the stacks are kind of deep and you have position, you don't really wanna be getting involved with speculative hands (like 67s) or ones that will likely get you in trouble because of reverse implied odds (like QJo) and just stick to making sure that you're the one opening the pots with these hands.I've played a ton of live full ring and I can tell you that the guys who are losing a lot of $$ in the game are the ones who are limp/calling 78s UTG and even JTs UTG and then flopping top pair and losing a bet or two, or chasing draws with improper odds and missing. If you do that even a few times a session, your winrate is going to suffer greatly.
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lol egomost people don't start their own well.
It's not a well, ass. It is turning into one, but it wasn't intended to be.
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Naismith suggested I ask here, so:6m 50nl (currently 220bbs deep): I repoped an MP raiser with suited connectors preflop to get a baby board that left me with a gutter to the nut straight + backdoor diamonds + overs. I check raised and ended up committed so I called the rest off and spiked. Chat ended up being how dumb it was + button is now isolating me. I assume we can manipulate this. How?

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lol egomost people don't start their own well.
:club: but seriously, my name has only come up 3 times in this thread? slackers.
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Acid, while calling someone down with K high, do you agree it is always best to be result oriented?
Only when you win.
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Naismith suggested I ask here, so:6m 50nl (currently 220bbs deep): I repoped an MP raiser with suited connectors preflop to get a baby board that left me with a gutter to the nut straight + backdoor diamonds + overs. I check raised and ended up committed so I called the rest off and spiked. Chat ended up being how dumb it was + button is now isolating me. I assume we can manipulate this. How?
Does he have position directly to your left? Most of the time, I just kind of tighten up a little bit and consider getting it in lightly vs them since they won't give you credit so the hand ranges that you need in order to get value are much weaker than you normally would. There's not a ton that you can do unless you want to get involved in a variance fest of starting to just start 4bet shoving and stuff on him preflop.Also, you're 3 betting MP raisers from the blinds? That's probably not the most solid of ideas from a general perspective depending on what the villain has been doing. Also, I'd be interested in a HH for that hand because I can't fathom the sequence of events where you 3bet someone OOP 220BBs deep, c/r a low semiconnected board and then are somehow committed to call off what is probably a pretty big stack with "overs" (which are likely never ever ever good at this point) a gutshot and a BDFD.
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Does he have position directly to your left? Most of the time, I just kind of tighten up a little bit and consider getting it in lightly vs them since they won't give you credit so the hand ranges that you need in order to get value are much weaker than you normally would. There's not a ton that you can do unless you want to get involved in a variance fest of starting to just start 4bet shoving and stuff on him preflop.Also, you're 3 betting MP raisers from the blinds? That's probably not the most solid of ideas from a general perspective depending on what the villain has been doing. Also, I'd be interested in a HH for that hand because I can't fathom the sequence of events where you 3bet someone OOP 220BBs deep, c/r a low semiconnected board and then are somehow committed to call off what is probably a pretty big stack with "overs" (which are likely never ever ever good at this point) a gutshot and a BDFD.
directly to my leftyeah, i 3bet with 89s from the bb sometimes.and i started off 100bb deep when i played the hand but after the stacking + winning some pots i got 220bb deep (which is where manipulating people who think im a donk comes into play). this is also at ap where i was playing with 3 other 200bb+ players. it was 89dd on 4h5d6x board, 100 bb effective.
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directly to my leftyeah, i 3bet with 89s from the bb sometimes.and i started off 100bb deep when i played the hand but after the stacking + winning some pots i got 220bb deep (which is where manipulating people who think im a donk comes into play). this is also at ap where i was playing with 3 other 200bb+ players. it was 89dd on 4h5d6x board, 100 bb effective.
The hand you're talking about here, 3betting an UTG raiser from the BB without some kind of history or dynamic between you two is a pretty big mistake in a game where you have 100BBs. His range is very strong and you will get 4 bet with a high enough frequency that the play is probably immediately -EV.Once that flop comes, you should just bet/fold most of the time. If you check and he bets, he's got a pair or a set most of the time and isn't going to fold. Sometimes he's bluffing with like AJ or something, but every hand he has beats you and you gotta stick your whole stack in to put him out of the pot, so the risk reward ratio isn't very good. You should really just muck that hand preflop.
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA(that rhymes btw) :club:
So, I had mentioned that my girlfriend likes dressing up her dog when she (my girlfriend) is having a bad day. She decided she wanted to get an outfit for my cat. This is the abomination that occurred.
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I want everyone to remember when listening to advice from Acid that he allowed this to happen to his cat.

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So, I had mentioned that my girlfriend likes dressing up her dog when she (my girlfriend) is having a bad day. She decided she wanted to get an outfit for my cat. This is the abomination that occurred.
Edited, cause Jay said the same thing.
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I want everyone to remember when listening to advice from Acid that he allowed this to happen to his cat.
Metagame considerations.
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I guess my biggest problems come in live games that are full and we get a small PP in UTG or UTG + 1. Do we just call and see what develops?Also, same type of game with Mid PP (usually 88 - JJ). Do we raise these hands? I will usually raise and then C-bet the flop if there is no A, of course this is situational but that is my usual play, is this good or am I probably spewing in the long run?

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Might as well put this in Matt's vanity thread.I believe it is currently the 38th birthday of one Mr. Acid_Knight.Happy birthday, bro. Leave the cat alone.

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