Royal_Tour 0 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Yes, I actually can. When the money is deep and we have the nuts and want to stack our opponent if he's got a hand, we need to make sure that we find a way to get all of the money into the pot. OOP, when we decide to trap, he may see a bad turn card or check behind a harmelss turn card with a strong but vulnerable holding for pot control. Then we arrive on the river with a pot that is too small to allow us to stack him unless we can bet/3bet or we try to c/r him again.You realize that what you just wrote in the bolded part, is exactly what I have been saying will fold to a 4bet on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 You realize that what you just wrote in the bolded part, is exactly what I have been saying will fold to a 4bet on the flop.If he's gonna fold to a 4 bet on the flop, then when is he gonna put more money into the pot? If he's got AK or AQ, he still has cards to improve his hand. If he's gonna pay us any more money with that hand, it's probably on the flop and not on the turn or river.I know why you were saying to flat call, we all do, but I disagree with it. It's not like it's a complicated concept or anything.I don't like cwik's shove becuase I'm pretty sure he folds out AK/AQ by doing that. A minraise will not. Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Alright, at this point I am still pretty sure this is a raise. I think I like a bet of $105 FWIW.Like Acid_Knight said, I shoved and villain mucked. In the chat after he said he mucked JJ and also said he didn't believe I had KQ. . I am pretty sure one of those two things is a lie. Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 lol @ folding JJ Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 In the chat after he said he mucked JJ and also said he didn't believe I had KQ. . I am pretty sure one of those two things is a lie. FullTiltPoker Game #5080455449: Table Saleen (heads up) - $25/$50 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:31:00 ET - 2008/02/01Seat 1: BMSHOLLA ($3,890.30)Seat 2: IHaveAStrong9 ($5,072.50)IHaveAStrong9 posts the small blind of $25BMSHOLLA posts the big blind of $50The button is in seat #2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to IHaveAStrong9 [5s 7d]IHaveAStrong9 raises to $150BMSHOLLA calls $100*** FLOP *** [3c Qh 6s]BMSHOLLA checksIHaveAStrong9 bets $200BMSHOLLA has 15 seconds left to actBMSHOLLA raises to $600IHaveAStrong9 calls $400*** TURN *** [3c Qh 6s] [Kc]BMSHOLLA has 15 seconds left to actBMSHOLLA bets $400IHaveAStrong9 calls $400*** RIVER *** [3c Qh 6s Kc] [As]BMSHOLLA has 15 seconds left to actBMSHOLLA bets $800IHaveAStrong9 has 15 seconds left to actIHaveAStrong9 has requested TIMEIHaveAStrong9 raises to $3,000BMSHOLLA has 15 seconds left to actBMSHOLLA has requested TIMEBMSHOLLA: u dont have %!&%BMSHOLLA: i have a setBMSHOLLA foldsUncalled bet of $2,200 returned to IHaveAStrong9IHaveAStrong9 shows [5s 7d] Ace King highIHaveAStrong9 wins the pot ($3,899.50)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $3,900 | Rake $0.50Board: [3c Qh 6s Kc As]Seat 1: BMSHOLLA (big blind) folded on the RiverSeat 2: IHaveAStrong9 (small blind) collected ($3,899.50)look at that respect Strong 9 gets. what a soul read he made! Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 folding sets is in style Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 folding sets is in styleI folded a set on the flop once. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Alright, at this point I am still pretty sure this is a raise. I think I like a bet of $105 FWIW.Like Acid_Knight said, I shoved and villain mucked. In the chat after he said he mucked JJ and also said he didn't believe I had KQ. . I am pretty sure one of those two things is a lie.Yeah, absolutely. He's very nearly priced in with a set. Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I folded a set on the flop once.lol rly? I can safely say I've never even thought of it, I udnno if that's good or bad Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 lol rly? I can safely say I've never even thought of it, I udnno if that's good or badThis reminds me, this very same situation happens on an episode of Cash Poker.KQ bet, David Williams raised, someone with a FD called, KQ shoved, William's INSTA mucked TT looking bemused. The guy with KQ wasn't even a total nit or anything. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 lol rly? I can safely say I've never even thought of it, I udnno if that's good or badIt was literally one time.This is even the hand about it because I wrote to Tom McEvoy about it in cardplayer and he wrote an article about it. I don't think a single bet amount is correct in the article, but still.http://www.cardplayer.com/author/article/all/24/7050Here's the thread about it.I think it's literally the only time I've ever folded a set on the flop before.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=97731 Link to post Share on other sites
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