Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 I'm not sure how Dan trying to get his money back (as well as the money of the other high limit players who were screwed over by this) helps AP and hurts other people. No one will be required to stop talking about it (except MAYBE those who receive money), no one will be forced to play on AP, and nothing has to change. But the last thing online poker players should want is for this to become huge - if there's government action it won't be to regulate online poker, it'll be to take further steps to ban it.Do you not understand that this already justifies, if not requires, government action?...and if it does result in an outright ban, then we can thank AP - not blame the government. The industry had their chance and claimed they could self-regulate and they blew it.Mr Druff tryig to get his mobney back is unethical in my mind. He is selling his voice. He is becoming part of the cover-up. I find this as repulsive as the original cheaters. Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 I think AP is double talking so much because no one there ever really expected this type of thing to happen. That's what makes me sick - how could a poker site not have a crisis plan for something like this?!? Now, if it was the former CEO who still runs the company that owns them then there's nothing 'the company' could really do about that. He just ruined that for everyone there if indeed it was him. Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Do you not understand that this already justifies, if not requires, government action?...and if it does result in an outright ban, then we can thank AP - not blame the government.Mr Druff tryig to get his mobney back is unethical in my mind. He is selling his voice. He is becoming part of the cover-up. I find this as repulsive as the original cheaters.What government? The U.S. doesn't gaf about any of this shit Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 What government? The U.S. doesn't gaf about any of this shitNonsense. This is EXACTLY what the US gov have been waiting for. Link to post Share on other sites
SpiderGuard 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Do you not understand that this already justifies, if not requires, government action?Do you not understand that the government action that online poker is going to get will NOT involve making it legal and easy to do for Americans?Those who wanted online gambling banned saw it as immoral and a haven for a shady element to get involved. They will take this incident to further support those beliefs, and those who don't believe it will have a hard time arguing. This isn't prohibition, and we're not in the first half of the 20th century - abuses by off-shore gaming companies aren't going to help the cause.AP did something horrible, and they should pay for it. Unfortunately it seems like the rest of us may pay for it as well. Link to post Share on other sites
SpiderGuard 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Nonsense. This is EXACTLY what the US gov have been waiting for.Agreed - and this won't have good consequences for those of us who like online poker. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Do you not understand that the government action that online poker is going to get will NOT involve making it legal and easy to do for Americans?Those who wanted online gambling banned saw it as immoral and a haven for a shady element to get involved. They will take this incident to further support those beliefs, and those who don't believe it will have a hard time arguing. This isn't prohibition, and we're not in the first half of the 20th century - abuses by off-shore gaming companies aren't going to help the cause.AP did something horrible, and they should pay for it. Unfortunately it seems like the rest of us may pay for it as well.So let's sweep it under the rug and hope it doesn't get too big and allow the industry to continue to self regulate......until the next time......or the next.....until there is nothing left of the on-line poker industry but a couple of chat rooms and forums.Nope. I HATE government intervention. Seriously. But guess what... it is time to invite, perhaps BEG the US government to establish a Federal regulatory body to control (and tax) the industry. I'll personally never put any significant $ on-line without some drastic move that ensures confidence. Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Nonsense. This is EXACTLY what the US gov have been waiting for.Then explain to me what they are going to use this for to shut down all online poker sites for americans. I don't buy it. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Then explain to me what they are going to use this for to shut down all online poker sites for americans. I don't buy it.ummm......huh? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 RAC, did you know non-Americans play online poker as well?I, for one, would be appalled if I had to subject myself to letting your disgrace of a government regulate my industry. Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 ummm......huh?Sorry Mutlitabling and posting is -EV. I just don't understand how you think the government is gonna use the AP scandal to stop online poker in the US. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 RAC, did you know non-Americans play online poker as well?I, for one, would be appalled if I had to subject myself to letting your disgrace of a government regulate my industry.Disgrace of a government?Lol at the Canadian.But get used to it, because if you think that on-line poker can be viable without American players then fine. But hey, if you think some other wonderful government, Canada perhaps (he he), can do the job I am all for it. Thing is someone is going to have to come up with some serious regulatory intervention or a vast majority of players AROUND THE WORLD - not just Americans - are going to lose confidence if they haven't yet already done so. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Disgrace of a government?Lol at the Canadian.But get used to it, because if you think that on-line poker can be viable without American players then fine. But hey, if you think some other wonderful government, Canada perhaps (he he), can do the job I am all for it. Thing is someone is going to have to come up with some serious regulatory intervention or a vast majority of players AROUND THE WORLD - not just Americans - are going to lose confidence if they haven't yet already done so.Yeah, I don't care what you say, but I'd like to point out, it's egocentric tards like you that give Americans a bad rep throughout the world. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Yeah, I don't care what you say, but I'd like to point out, it's egocentric tards like you that give Americans a bad rep throughout the world.Did someone call for me? Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Yeah, I don't care what you say, but I'd like to point out, it's egocentric tards like you that give Americans a bad rep throughout the world.Dude. You made the statement that would put all arrogant Americans to shame! Seems to me lately that Canadians have been workig overtime to try and make Americans look like the modest ones. I wasn't being the least bit "egocentric" - I was pointing out that this scandal SCREAMS out for government intervention - from the US most likely, but I'd take it from any Government willing to stp in and make it happen. I was being realistic in observing that it would MOST LIKELY be the US govt that takes the most swift action. Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Disgrace of a government?Lol at the Canadian.But get used to it, because if you think that on-line poker can be viable without American players then fine. But hey, if you think some other wonderful government, Canada perhaps (he he), can do the job I am all for it. Thing is someone is going to have to come up with some serious regulatory intervention or a vast majority of players AROUND THE WORLD - not just Americans - are going to lose confidence if they haven't yet already done so.You're overreacting. This was an inside job, I'm pretty sure you'd agree with that. If the CEO can't have access to superuser accts then who can? You're assuming way too much - online poker doesn't need a government regulating it because of one idiot with a inside access. It has come this far w/o being regulated, why the **** does the american government (or any government for that matter) need to get involved now? Nobody could of stopped this idiot. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 ...and by the way, don't believe everything you read. Americans are still quite respected and welcome around the world. Have you actually ever traveled overseas? I have and enjoy a wonderful amount of camaraderie with new friends in every country that I visit. Just because you and probably some ignorant friends are anti-American doesn't make it true for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 You're overreacting. This was an inside job, I'm pretty sure you'd agree with that. If the CEO can't have access to superuser accts then who can? You're assuming way too much - online poker doesn't need a government regulating it because of one idiot with a inside access. It has come this far w/o being regulated, why the **** does the american government (or any government for that matter) need to get involved now? Nobody could of stopped this idiot.But there would be some repercussions for this "idiot" when caught. Which obviosly also works as a deterrent. Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 But there would be some repercussions for this "idiot" when caught. Which obviosly also works as a deterrent.Yeah, I understand that. But I don't think it's time to start overreacting and calling for government action - that's all i'm saying. Link to post Share on other sites
fatman 1 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Yeah, I understand that. But I don't think it's time to start overreacting and calling for government action - that's all i'm saying.Why not? Then we might get Party Poker back. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Please excuse my tilted political comments that I'm not really prepared to try to back up, for a number of reasons. That's for another time and place. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Yeah, I understand that. But I don't think it's time to start overreacting and calling for government action - that's all i'm saying.I agree. IMHO online poker does need to be regulated in some way but it should be by the players not a government thats only interest in the game would be $$$$ Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Yeah, I understand that. But I don't think it's time to start overreacting and calling for government action - that's all i'm saying.I don't know, this whole thing has made me realize what the consequences of poker being in this nebulous unregulated internet zone really are. Basically it is up to us to police it, and even when we do find something wrong its difficult to enact justice. I mean really, who do we go to with all this info? It seems like the only recourse is to withdraw our business from them, which is not much of a solution if you have lost money. Or maybe get involved with an international lawsuit? Any international law experts out there? Link to post Share on other sites
Ouch-8s 4 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 I agree. IMHO online poker does need to be regulated in some way but it should be by the players not a government thats only interest in the game would be $$just curious, what do you think the players' interest in the game is? Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 just curious, what do you think the players' interest in the game is?Integrity, quality, fairness etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites
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