Would You Call This?

[Socrates 0]

It's a 2 1/2x BB raise.You'd better tell Daniel your feelings about the proper raise multiple since his standard preflop raise is 2 1/2x BB and you obviously disagree with him.

This guy is no where near the player DN is. Besides, majority rules, looks like u and the OP are the only MRM's on the thread.

[Mattnxtc 0]

is this even a decision really? ace on the board and u have no heart redrawmake it look like u have a tough decision and then fold

[copernicus 0]

yeah, it looks like he was afraid to try and price out a two street draw, but once he sees a safe turn, figures his A is good for a value bet.

[GABMAD 0]

yeah, it looks like he was afraid to try and price out a two street draw, but once he sees a safe turn, figures his A is good for a value bet.

Think about it. If you're villain you have to put me on a hand like AQ imo. Why would he push an ace unless it's A9. Even then, shouldn't he check and let me think he's drawing at a flush and then raise it all in? IMO his play makes very little sense and looks to me like a 9 with a q or K of hearts. Honestly...look at the play and try to put him on a hand. I don't see why an A would play it like that. Shouldn't he be worried about his kicker? he'd raise me with AK and maybe even AQ.

[GABMAD 0]

This guy is no where near the player DN is. Besides, majority rules, looks like u and the OP are the only MRM's on the thread.

Ya. And you've seen me play? Or you automatically assume everyone is a donkey? How about you look up ppl on sharkscope before calling them donks? Or are stats overrated and you need a title before you can be considred good? So that means, because I'm 18 I have no way of being considered good as I'm not old enough to play live. Geez....some people are so ignorant

[copernicus 0]

Think about it. If you're villain you have to put me on a hand like AQ imo. Why would he push an ace unless it's A9. Even then, shouldn't he check and let me think he's drawing at a flush and then raise it all in? IMO his play makes very little sense and looks to me like a 9 with a q or K of hearts. Honestly...look at the play and try to put him on a hand. I don't see why an A would play it like that. Shouldn't he be worried about his kicker? he'd raise me with AK and maybe even AQ.

no, in his seat Id put you on pocket pairs in addition to Aces, and a weak Ace here doesnt want to overplay against that board on the flop. Any raise on the flop subjects him to a semi-bluff push that he cant call, and your bet hasnt clarified anything. If youve got a pair including a heart youve got calling odds for anything he does on the flop.

[cubsfan44 0]

It's a 2 1/2x BB raise.You'd better tell Daniel your feelings about the proper raise multiple since his standard preflop raise is 2 1/2x BB and you obviously disagree with him.

Maybe im wrong but if daniel has the same M in a tourney. Im not so sure he isnt raising more than 2 1/2 times the BB there.

[Pixelation 0]

It's a 2 1/2x BB raise.You'd better tell Daniel your feelings about the proper raise multiple since his standard preflop raise is 2 1/2x BB and you obviously disagree with him.

To all those saying Daniel usually does the 2.5x raise, keep in mind that he mainly plays live tourneys in which the action is usually a lot more tight than online so you don't need to raise so much.From my experience playing *online* 3-4x the BB is pretty much the standard.

[XX44466XX 0]

I call shenanigans.

[cubbybri 0]

I think the flop bet too much as well, BUT if you are some who consistently bets half the pot I guess it's not as bad a play. I rarely think there is a reason to make a pot bet so that is my reason for disliking. If you always make the pot bets I guess it will keep them guessing.In any case, Copernicus is right, you are beat or villain is a dingle nut.

[cubbybri 0]

I think I'm seeing double but it could be the crack. In any case you are beat unless you are playing a true dingle nut.You raised and made a con't bet. He may be worried you have Aq but he could have AK. You could also have a huge assortment of other hands. He may have a weak ace but is Copernicus said, he wanted to make sure he was safer from a flush and let the turn come. He may have nothing or a nine and a flush draw but I think you hvae to give him credit for an ace.And with you not having a heart you need to fold.

[Mercury69 3]

Villain almost certainly has A9, A7 or A3 here. I don't know why he might put you on AQ specifically, although it would certainly be within your estimated range. I also guessing villain's kicker is a heart, quite possibly the Kh.Unfortunate, but relatively easy, fold.

[Socrates 0]

Ya. And you've seen me play? Or you automatically assume everyone is a donkey? How about you look up ppl on sharkscope before calling them donks? Or are stats overrated and you need a title before you can be considred good? So that means, because I'm 18 I have no way of being considered good as I'm not old enough to play live. Geez....some people are so ignorant

While you've done okay on-line, it seems to me and I'm guessing most of us on here who have played much longer than you, that you're looking for an answer that justifys your call in this hand. You made a mistake, get over it. You played the hand and you were completely lost in it with no idea what the other player had. I never said you were a donkey, just that you played this particular hand poorly. Like I said before, just beause you think you're TAG, doesn't mean other players see that. Espeically when they're surfing the web, playing multiple tables and possibly even watching t.v. and sending e-mails at the same time.

[pokerkid 0]

To all those saying Daniel usually does the 2.5x raise, keep in mind that he mainly plays live tourneys in which the action is usually a lot more tight than online so you don't need to raise so much.

HAHAHA. NO.In general, live play is much worse than online play. The WSOP ME has some of the worst play imaginable. Granted in the WPT 10K events the play is better because of the bigger buy-in. But when comparing the same levels, live play is much worse than online play.At this stage, 3-4x BB raise is correct. However, when it gets late in a tournament, and 2.5x raises are 20% of the avg. stacks chips, 2.5x BB raises are golden. If someone is trapping you or pushes on you, you lose less, but the 2.5x raise still has enough fold equity. Against a decent player who thinks about bet sizes and such, it also doesn't look like a steal as much as a 4x raise does.Edit: 2.5x raises are great for stealing late in a tourney.

[mtdesmoines 3]

I have a tight/agressive image at the table. Villain is donkey on sharkscope and is loose.PokerStars Game #8410248885: Tournament #42864986, $110+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/02/12 - 18:41:25 (ET)Table '42864986 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: GabeTheKid (1295 in chips) Seat 2: DaMaKa (2710 in chips) Seat 5: RokinRT (3070 in chips) Seat 6: jhub3000 (1925 in chips) RokinRT: posts small blind 25jhub3000: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GabeTheKid [Kc Ks]GabeTheKid: raises 75 to 125DaMaKa: folds RokinRT: calls 100jhub3000: folds *** FLOP *** [3h Ah 7h]RokinRT: checks GabeTheKid: bets 250RokinRT: calls 250*** TURN *** [3h Ah 7h] [9d]RokinRT: bets 950GabeTheKid: ????

Nah. Next question.

[DB10-2 0]

i'm ok with the smaller-than-standard preflop raise in general, but when your stack is this low relative to blinds, let's be a bit more serious. that said, here's the thing about your play: when you do make a wishy-washy raise like that, you're basically hoping for a hand like AQ or AJ to miss the A and/or make TPTK with the Q or J with no draws. think about how rare that is. so, you have to be ready to lay your hand down and not think twice when you encounter resistance on the flop or turn and/or these easy situations don't present themselves. here, your kings were either already drawing dead or you were bluffed successfully. time to jam (and probably lose), or next time, on a stack of around 1300, maybe the baby raise isn't as appropriate in this spot.

[Zach6668 513]

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[Socrates 0]

HAHAHA. NO.In general, live play is much worse than online play. The WSOP ME has some of the worst play imaginable. Granted in the WPT 10K events the play is better because of the bigger buy-in. But when comparing the same levels, live play is much worse than online play.At this stage, 3-4x BB raise is correct. However, when it gets late in a tournament, and 2.5x raises are 20% of the avg. stacks chips, 2.5x BB raises are golden. If someone is trapping you or pushes on you, you lose less, but the 2.5x raise still has enough fold equity. Against a decent player who thinks about bet sizes and such, it also doesn't look like a steal as much as a 4x raise does.

Why not just limp it in this situation then? Your logic isn't really making sense for this play in this particular situation. With his M so low, he can't afford not to call a pf push and if he were going to get that, he's going to get a caller with a bigger pf raise as well. At least here he would have some idea as to where he stood in the hand. WHile I understand the new online player who only wants to play big pots, the thing I find is they're soft pf and push hard when they hit an hope to double up, not win smaller pots to accumulate. Their downside is they can never get off AA or KK when hands like this happen.

[Omaha Hi/Lo 0]

I like the way you played the whole hand. I would have done the same on every street. (Muck the turn)I like the 2.5xBB raise in this spot, you're one of the shorter stacks and making it 200 to go would probably just win you the 75 in blinds. That's a waste of a HUGE hand that you may not see for the rest of the tournament. I don't want to get into the whole DN at Foxwoods argument again, but wasting BIG pairs when it's short handed is just stupid. You don't get them often, so when you do get them you should try to maximize your wins (and that doesn't include trying to minimize your loses by "protecting your hand", if you think negativly you will play the hand poorly). I'm not saying limp in and check every street to let someone catch up enough to beat you, but you don't need to throw a rock into the lake when you're just about to hook a big mouth bass...

[pokerkid 0]

Why not just limp it in this situation then? Your logic isn't really making sense for this play in this particular situation. With his M so low, he can't afford not to call a pf push and if he were going to get that, he's going to get a caller with a bigger pf raise as well. At least here he would have some idea as to where he stood in the hand. WHile I understand the new online player who only wants to play big pots, the thing I find is they're soft pf and push hard when they hit an hope to double up, not win smaller pots to accumulate. Their downside is they can never get off AA or KK when hands like this happen.

What?Why not limp in which situation?

[GABMAD 0]

I'm still wondering what you guys put the villain on. His play doesn't add up. It's a very unorthodox play. What's his range guys?

[GABMAD 0]

I think the flop bet too much as well, BUT if you are some who consistently bets half the pot I guess it's not as bad a play. I rarely think there is a reason to make a pot bet so that is my reason for disliking. If you always make the pot bets I guess it will keep them guessing.In any case, Copernicus is right, you are beat or villain is a dingle nut.

Villain is a 'dingle nut'. He has an ROI of -19%. Shouldn't that affect our decision?

[Jordan 1]

lol @ people getting upset over the 2.5xbb raise.lol cantplaypostflopaments- Jordan

[irishguy 14]

I'm still wondering what you guys put the villain on. His play doesn't add up. It's a very unorthodox play. What's his range guys?

You already had him putting you AQ so what did you put him on? I think since you put him on putting you on a hand like AQ you've gotta feel like he has at least two pair here. I think A9 is a solid choice, or any other A with his kicker hitting the board. I don't mind your preflop bet at all but against this board there is so much that has you beat that would call you pre flop ie: Suited connectors, gappers 9-7 etc.

[benhoug 0]

Possibly the easiest fold ever?

Yes. Without a doubt, this is the easiest fold ever.