The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act Of 2006 Analyzed

[LongLiveYorke 38]

And all the talk about being free and this is America.....give me a break. This is not a libertarian community. On-line gambling must be legal because it is our right? Okay, then I also want every drug legalized and brothels in communities across the state. Lets lower the drinking age to 18, lets do away with speed limits.

Aside from the speed limit issue (which is a totally different story) I don't see any problem with the rest of this. It makes a lot more sense then the other logical conclusion: that we must regulate everything that is dangerous to either an individual, the economy, or may cost a person money. Also, we can't allow anything that brings money outside of the United States. All foreign products of any sort must go. You see where this attitude takes you when driven to the extreme. At some point you have to either resign to determining the law on an issue by issue basis or coming up with set Axioms and following them. To my knowledge, Libertarianism is the only political perspective that successfully achieves the latter (not that this makes it right).

[SoCooLBob 0]

Interestingly enough, the actual legislation doesn't say anything about it being "illegal," so far as anybody knows, to "gamble" online ... contains no regulations ... has only to do with the transfer of funds which has nothing to do with "free trade" ... that's a principle ... which some politicians say they "love."It doesn't appear it should stop anything really, except probably will require a lot of lawyer's time, which is what they get paid for ... kind of like "THE NUTS" It should STOP The Bitchin of whoever is paying off the politician.For not getting anything that they wanted done.Got that one !

[thebruce 0]

Face facts; there are a LOT of poker players. But poker players are not mainstream in the sense that we have any political power.

Well, there are alot of poker players. and right now they're pretty pissed. Many are probably like me. Not to my credit, I am so dispirited by our political climate, I may not have even voted in the upcoming election. I just want to come home after a day on the rock pile, crack open a cold one, and play a couple sit-n-goes. Now this! Unbelievable! With all that is going on in the world, the republicans pick on me!! I've voted republican for umpty-ump years. Not this year, pal. This is the straw that breaks the camels back. This is the one, trite as it may seem, that will get me off my duff. I'm a swing vote that the republicans deperately need and they're going to get just the opposite. I have to wonder how many others will do the same as me. Just how many internet poker player's do we have the US of A?

[MtdRounders 0]

Well I am back after a hiatus and it seems that I have been misunderstood. I really enjoyed some of the posts. Some of them were well written and thought out. I have already apologized for insulting DN and every other "professional" gambler out there so I will not revisit that topic again. All of your posts made me think and you almost had me on your side. Really you did. What lost me is that most of you reiterated the fact that "your rights" were being taken away and started turning this into a political discussion. Honestly I do not think there were any backroom deals that some of you eluded to in regards to banning internet gaming. Perhaps I am naive, but what would be purpose for an elected official to do such a thing? Money? Come on? Are you the same people that think the U.S. plotted the 9/11 attacks. Some said internet gaming is a victimless crime and does not lead to reckless behavior like drinking, drugs, etc. Did anyone read the article about the college student that was convicted of armed robbery because he wanted to pay off his gambling debts from on-line gaming? Gambling is an addictive in habit in a lot of people and can and will lead to reckless behavior. Most of you (and I am guilty of this) state how you like to play a few sit 'n gos and then retire for the night. Do you have families?A sit n go takes at least an hour (as long as you dont suck, lol) two of those takes 2 hours. What other productive activities can we all be participating in besides internet gaming. I believe that I am in the "norm". I do not win thousands of dollars playing, I do not lose thousands of dollars. When I play and win, I keep playing. How many of you have actually cashed out your money. I have on certain occasions, and have sunk it into the economy. I can recall buying a TV once and purchasing tile for a rehab for my bathroom. Other than that, if I play and win I keep playing. I think I am the norm. Perhaps everyone on this site is not like me but I doubt it. I will acquiesce and state that the people that are responding to me are probably not, or simply will not admit it. I started playing 2 years ago with 5 dollar sit 'n gos, I am up to 20 and 30 because the lesser games give me no excitement. Yes that is peanuts, but it is what I can afford. I have two kids and my wife stays home with the kids. I am the quintessential American family. The only thing that affects me is when I stay up late. However, that is my release from a night of working. Having a few drinks and playing cards. However, it is NOT healthy, in any of us. My brother-in-law has 5 children and WORKS his *** off as an electrician. They have a great house, nice suburban house, and he plays. He plays in 1-2 dollar games for not that much. However, he loves it. He is not in danger of losing anything, he is the norm, the average player. The player that is taking time away from other productive activities to pursue internet gaming. Guys, I respect all of your opinions and I know I am a hyprocite when I say I play but I want it banned. I really think it is better for the country and all of us as a whole. I live near one of the best horse racing tracks in the COUNTRY, and I was there once last year. I live near various gambling boats and have not frequented them in over three years. Living room gambling is too easy and millions of dollars is being spent from this country to outside sites. Yes, I agree we are a global economy, but people will gamble before they spend money on oversea imports, and it helps no one due to the fact that the money is never taken out of the accounts. Yes, Frist was kind of sneaky when he surreptiously attached the internet gaming law onto a homeland security bill, but whatever. Happens ALL the time. To call him a snake and a douhce bag is DN just being a prikc and not realizing the ramifications of allowing internet gaming to proliferate. Does part of me want internet gaming to continue?...YES. I will lose and win 100 bucks every week. However, I will not cash out, unless it is a significant amount. Eventually, I will lose. Enough to ruin me?...hardly. Money that is kept out of the economy? Yes. How many people are like me? How many people leave all of their money in there, albeit a small amount, until it is gone. The only people making money are the off shore sites taking the rakes and tournament entrance fees.So should the U.S. allow it and tax and regulate it? NO! Did I make any better points than I did before to maybe sway you to my side a little bit. Maybe?Shuffle up and deal. Go Cubs and DA BEARS (5-0)hmmmm, I like those sports teams and live near one of the best horse racing tracks in the country.Where am I from???LOL

[SoCooLBob 0]

Honestly I do not think there were any backroom deals that some of you eluded to in regards to banning internet gaming.

Really? What kind of a "deal" is it when even citizens who are affected and trying to follow the issue closely are NOT AWARE it's BEING PASSED and MUST BE SIGNED? and more?What kind of a deal is that? Honestly?

Yes, Frist was kind of sneaky when he surreptiously attached the internet gaming law onto a homeland security bill, but whatever. Happens ALL the time.

Guys, I respect all of your opinions and I know I am a hyprocite when I say I play but I want it banned. I really think it is better for the country and all of us as a whole.

My dearest friend ... if such there was one ... it seems to me, there's a reasonable "probability"YOU don't respect YOUR OWN OPINION?Can I ask you not to express opinions that favor laws that OUTLAW My Opinion? And preferably DON'T VOTE THAT WAY EITHER!

Shuffle up and deal.

[PMJackson21 0]

Some said internet gaming is a victimless crime and does not lead to reckless behavior like drinking, drugs, etc. Did anyone read the article about the college student that was convicted of armed robbery because he wanted to pay off his gambling debts from on-line gaming? Gambling is an addictive in habit in a lot of people and can and will lead to reckless behavior. LOL

I like to play golf. I live in the Bay Area, so I play in the Pebble Beach area quite often. To play a sport such as golf for a hobby, not only does it require a lot of time, but a lot of money as well. Hypothetically, I could use all that time and money to better myself, or better my community, but as an adult, I choose to use my time and money doing something I enjoy.Take some time and search google and see how many stories there are of players assaulting others on the golf course (off the top of my head, I recall someone being beaten to death with a putter a few years back). So, obviously golf causes people to commit crimes just like poker.So, using your logic, should the USA ban golf as well? How about we ban every hobby that costs money or takes up a great deal of time? You like the Bears? Well, going to a game costs money, and that is money that you could be spending on your family. Watching the games on tv is a waste of time that you could be spending down at a community center helping the needy.Why stop at poker? Why not ban alcohol, tobacco, fattening foods, sporting events, television, movies, and every other thing in this country that takes time and money (as well as being unhealthy) away from more 'productive' things?

[Figger 0]

I like to play golf. I live in the Bay Area, so I play in the Pebble Beach area quite often. To play a sport such as golf for a hobby, not only does it require a lot of time, but a lot of money as well. Hypothetically, I could use all that time and money to better myself, or better my community, but as an adult, I choose to use my time and money doing something I enjoy.Take some time and search google and see how many stories there are of players assaulting others on the golf course (off the top of my head, I recall someone being beaten to death with a putter a few years back). So, obviously golf causes people to commit crimes just like poker.So, using your logic, should the USA ban golf as well? How about we ban every hobby that costs money or takes up a great deal of time? You like the Bears? Well, going to a game costs money, and that is money that you could be spending on your family. Watching the games on tv is a waste of time that you could be spending down at a community center helping the needy.Why stop at poker? Why not ban alcohol, tobacco, fattening foods, sporting events, television, movies, and every other thing in this country that takes time and money (as well as being unhealthy) away from more 'productive' things?

[SoCooLBob 0]

I like to play golf. I live in the Bay Area, so I play in the Pebble Beach area quite often. To play a sport such as golf for a hobby, not only does it require a lot of time, but a lot of money as well. Hypothetically, I could use all that time and money to better myself, or better my community, but as an adult, I choose to use my time and money doing something I enjoy.Take some time and search google and see how many stories there are of players assaulting others on the golf course (off the top of my head, I recall someone being beaten to death with a putter a few years back). So, obviously golf causes people to commit crimes just like poker.So, using your logic, should the USA ban golf as well? How about we ban every hobby that costs money or takes up a great deal of time? You like the Bears? Well, going to a game costs money, and that is money that you could be spending on your family. Watching the games on tv is a waste of time that you could be spending down at a community center helping the needy.Why stop at poker? Why not ban alcohol, tobacco, fattening foods, sporting events, television, movies, and every other thing in this country that takes time and money (as well as being unhealthy) away from more 'productive' things?

So Well Said ... You Definitely Deserve The Awesome Comment Cowpie AwardExamine those thoughts carefully. So many of them apply to so many things.Ah, what the heck. if you really want to get controversial:Consider The 10 Commandments --------------------Last night I stayed up late playing poker with Tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died. Me, I watch IMUS In The Morning, ReligiouslySee Sneak Preview Of The Sneak PreviewLink Omitted You Tube - SoCooLBob

[MtdRounders 0]

Going to games with families, interacting with people on the golf course. Yes, those activities ARE productive. Your logic is circular, but that's fine.I played last night. I lost. Played the night before...won. And around and around we go. Today I went to my account and went to cash out and PartyPoker stated"They will not accept any more deposits from US citizens"YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Chalk one up to common sense.Maybe I am not the norm.....but I feel reborn.Maybe in the end I did need to be rescued.Maybe I am the pathetic one. I don't know and don't care any longer.Good luck to the rest of you.MTD............PASADENA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SoCooLBob 0]

Maybe?Oh look, this new legislation has already helped someone ?http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/viewarticle.php?id=1482The great unknown is how far into the Internet commerce stream federal regulators are willing to go. The Act requires institutions like the Bank of America and Neteller to i.d. and block transactions to unlawful gambling sites, whatever they are. But, while the Bank of America will comply, Neteller might not, because it is not subject to U.S. regulations. Will federal regulators then prohibit U.S. banks from sending funds to Neteller? And would they then prohibit U.S. banks from sending funds to an overseas bank, which forwards the money to Neteller?

[SoCooLBob 0]

I guess that answered that question.I cannot play for money on Party Poker any more.They just Totally Eliminated All Real Money Play With USThey just Totally Eliminated Their Monster Freeroll Multi-Million Dollar JackpotI guess that means I'll be cashing out.I guess that means I'll be adding that fact/phenomenon to my new Television ShowIn the last couple of months, while working on this television show:Various legislation has eliminated community access television.And potentially, it would appear, online poker.In the last four years, my medical insurance has gone up $560 dollars/monthly to $760 per month. I have cancer.There's a war in Iraq where friends, and associates of friends, and relatives of friends are coming home with limbs missing.How we doing so far?Friday The 13thProverbs 13Because I really "believe" in "cross-communication" I'll share with you these thoughts, which could, of course, lead to other threads http://www.goldenstwarriors.com/viewtopic.php?p=44834#44834Stay Tuned As Developments Un-FoldGuess they don't even mind creating a run on these "banks?"How many people will have to do what I just did.Cash OutAll At OnceThe Check's In The Mail

[MtdRounders 0]

Maybe?Oh look, this new legislation has already helped someone ?http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/viewarticle.php?id=1482The great unknown is how far into the Internet commerce stream federal regulators are willing to go. The Act requires institutions like the Bank of America and Neteller to i.d. and block transactions to unlawful gambling sites, whatever they are. But, while the Bank of America will comply, Neteller might not, because it is not subject to U.S. regulations. Will federal regulators then prohibit U.S. banks from sending funds to Neteller? And would they then prohibit U.S. banks from sending funds to an overseas bank, which forwards the money to Neteller?

You are right. They will not be able to stop third party off shore sites. Impossible. It will continue.

[SoCooLBob 0]

Poker Stars appears to have taken the Maximum Stance ...The world's second-largest Internet poker website (PokerStars) says a U.S. ban on online gaming won't apply to poker because it is more of a game of skill and business will continue as usual.headline says large poker site exempts itself from the law ...

[SoCooLBob 0]

Who does his PR?Quote ... Received by Email"Hi this is Doyle Brunson,I know many of you will be concerned and dismayed about the bill signed into law by the President today.I want to confirm to all existing and potential poker players that it’s business as usual here at Doyle’s Room and we continue to accept players from all over the world including the United States of America. We at Doyle’s Room have taken extensive legal advice and believe that it is far too early to fully understand the implications of this bill on our industry. Based on the legal advice we have received, the new bill does not make internet poker expressly illegal nor does it take aim at players who enjoy online poker. However, there are some U.S. States that have existing regulations in place that may prohibit online gaming, so we encourage all of our U.S. players to review the laws of the State in which they reside. Until such time as the law becomes clearer, Doyle’s Room will operate as normal with our full exciting range of games and tournaments at all limits. And finally, please rest assured your money is completely secure at Doyle’s Room. I personally guarantee it."I GUARANTEE IT

[SilentButDeadly3 0]

Hi guys, I am getting the opportunity to interview John McCain (R Senator from Arizona) and there's no way I'm leaving out the Online Gambling Act out of my interview. What questions should I ask?

[SoCooLBob 0]

What did he know and when did he know it?

[llou 0]

Hi guys, I am getting the opportunity to interview John McCain (R Senator from Arizona) and there's no way I'm leaving out the Online Gambling Act out of my interview. What questions should I ask?

He seems like the kind of guy who would be willing to seriously consider an issue from many sides. I would ask him to explain why his stance on the measure first, and then follow-up with specifics. For example, "Why allow betting on horse racing?" "Why allow state lotteries?" "If gambling is so harmful, why is it legal in the brick and morter world?" "Does he plan to support the banning of other activities online that are legal in the brick and mortar world?" etc.I would have a list of possible questions and then choose which ones to ask based on his explanation of his stance.If he seems willing to change the law, I would move quickly to a discussion of repealing it. Ask if he would support a measure to regulate poker rather ban it. Try to see if you can get him to committ to anything.Just my $.02Good luck.Well, the public debate (outside the poker world) has begun. George Will's column in the current issue of Newsweek is all about the poker ban.Fortunately for us, he is on our side.While I don't always agree with him, today I say, "Hooray for George Will !"

[SoCooLBob 0]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15265338/site/newsweek/"It is an iron law: When government uses laws, tariffs and regulations to restrict the choices of Americans, ostensibly for their own good, someone is going to make money from the paternalism. One of the big winners from the government's action against online gambling will be the state governments that are America's most relentless promoters of gambling." ... George WillDo a great job on that interview!!!What does he think of the practice of attaching riders to bills that don't relate together at all? What does he think of the practice of legislators voting on bills with such impact {International Companies Lost Something Like $10 Billion Bucks On That Day} .. without even possibly having the time to read it? Where's the justice? What would he do about it? Whether he's President or not? Can you helpeven a nice guy like McCain ... say ... I would do nothing?Stay Tuned As Developments Un-FoldI've found this link quite handy ... it updates itself automatically ... and there are several good articles in there now.Also ask him about habeus corpus?

[arpinology 0]

i came here to ask if anybody knew any website that portrayed some technical/legal knowledge of the new law and i found it right at the top of the thread listing.

[DeanK 0]

I am sorry, but nonsense. I am part Republican and part Libertarian. I am certainly NOT "crazy Christian right". Way to lump tens of millions of people into a single stereotype. Are all Democrats Union supporters? Get your own head out of the sand and realize that the Media have represented the Republicans in a certain way and you've bought into it lock, stock, and barrel.Again the notion that this was "rammed through" is just not accurate. Sort of like the Democratic leadership trying revise history regarding voting to invade Iraq.

Please, don't blame the media. The fact is, its the Republicans who are pushing religion and family values, making it a major part of their image. Does the media force Bush to refer to his Christianity constantly or to push "faith based initiaitives"? There's a reason the far right Christians are referred to as their "base", and its not just the media who dose that. The fact is the Republican machine has been playing to the religious right wingers in this country for years.

[GeneralGeeWhiz 0]

WTF!? Okay, I just called Neteller and they said they're going nowhere. WTF is going on?

[Balloon guy 158]

What did he know and when did he know it?

Bob that was funny. NH

[SoCooLBob 0]

The fact is the Republican machine has been playing to the religious right wingers in this country for years.

And, apparently, screwing them over big time.Don't kill babies. Wait til their full grown.Shoot Hoops Not Troops!Thanks To The GS Warrior Forum These Are The Bullets More People Should Be Interested In

[PatrickBateman 0]

Screw online poker, I hope all these bs companies go under and go under HARD.

[SilentButDeadly3 0]

Well as I said above, I talked to McCain and asked him his view on Online Gambling and he basically told me he didn't know much about Online Gambling because "I don't do computers, I'm too old. Anytime I need something done for a computer I pick up some 12 year old off the street to fix it." He said laughing.This Thursday I get the opportunity to meet with Bill Frist himself. I'm looking forward to why he felt the need to push the Online Gambling law.