JMoney2681 0 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 You obviously suck if you cant hit a set on a flop in 34 tries LMAO! Aint that the damn truth. How about this...QP/SMQuit poker/Save Millions.*patent pending* Link to post Share on other sites
mb5322 0 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Is smash even still around, I stopped posting 4 months ago, and at that time he hadn't posted in about 2 months. Link to post Share on other sites
NOFX_PUNK 0 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 i like this stratagey i put in a few minor modifications here and there. But this is how i will teach my girl to play she wants to play but doesnt want to spend the long hours it takes to get good. calling every ax suites is a little nuts in my opinion and pushing with bottom set on retardedly scary boards is pretty dumb aswell. but for the most part this is a great system. Thank you smash. you cocky bastardo swYou can never be taking far the worst of it considering on the flop, with a set, you are 35% to make a full house or better by the river and at $10 NL who can't afford to gamble those odds? Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 i just printed this out, im going to try this at 2x25$ NL. im getting 50$ on UB from an instant bankroll type thing on monday. ill post results after 10k hands if i can Link to post Share on other sites
showstopper24 0 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 good luck Link to post Share on other sites
Canary3 1 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 if you are only going to play 2 tables you will be incredibly bored Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 if you are only going to play 2 tables you will be incredibly boredQFT Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 QFTobv as soon as i doule through itll be four tables Link to post Share on other sites
stealfromblind 0 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 obv as soon as i doule through itll be four tablessmash is a freaking idiot...and thats being generous Link to post Share on other sites
xtxoxpxd 0 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 i used this strategy clearing 900 hands at PP, 10 tabling. ended about even. anyone wanna see stats/graph? Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 i used this strategy clearing 900 hands at PP, 10 tabling. ended about even. anyone wanna see stats/graph?No. Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 i used this strategy clearing 900 hands at PP, 10 tabling. ended about even. anyone wanna see stats/graph?smash strat doesn't work anymore, players are generally better nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 smash strat doesn't work anymore, players are generally better nowadays.This may decrease the rate, but I'd argue it still works, perhaps at lower levels now. Link to post Share on other sites
rwood 0 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 smash's strat sucks. a sound NL player would have a much higher winrate. laggy or taggy. i dont know how this thread still exists. has anyone actually used this strat at anythign higher than 25 or 50 nl? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 smash's strat sucks. a sound NL player would have a much higher winrate. laggy or taggy. i dont know how this thread still exists. has anyone actually used this strat at anythign higher than 25 or 50 nl?If you are only rolled for say $50 NL, you could probably make more PER HOUR 20-tabling Smash, than you could playing a normal amount of tables in your normal style. Link to post Share on other sites
rwood 0 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 If you are only rolled for say $50 NL, you could probably make more PER HOUR 20-tabling Smash, than you could playing a normal amount of tables in your normal style.read the CUT TO THE CHASE PART AT THE BOTTOM FOR A SUMMARY OF MY THOUGHTS, BECAUSE I BASICALLY RAMBLED THE FIRST PART OF THIS POST. although it would be a ridiculous waste of time, i wish someone would try this, because i highly disagree. MAIN REASON: the retards with AK that catch air. although i dont see it as much at limits higher, i consistently see oponents bluff off all or most of their entire stacks when checked to after missing flop with AK. like i said this is much more rare at 11 and 1/2 NL and higher, but JS. i used to be amazed by this. anyways, im sure you're right though zach, you are 99% of the time, and most likely have tried the smash strat for a larger sample size than me(about 1yr ago for 1k hands 6 tabling), so i wont argue with you. BUTthis does not make you as good a player and will hurt you almost assuredly when you move past the smaller buy in limits. not saying that 100, 200 and 400 NL is big, JS. CUT TO THE CHASE:20 tabling smash's strat will almost assuredly pay off more than 1-4 tabling w/normal NL strat, BUT smash's strat will not help develop your game as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 read the CUT TO THE CHASE PART AT THE BOTTOM FOR A SUMMARY OF MY THOUGHTS, BECAUSE I BASICALLY RAMBLED THE FIRST PART OF THIS POST. although it would be a ridiculous waste of time, i wish someone would try this, because i highly disagree. MAIN REASON: the retards with AK that catch air. although i dont see it as much at limits higher, i consistently see oponents bluff off all or most of their entire stacks when checked to after missing flop with AK. like i said this is much more rare at 11 and 1/2 NL and higher, but JS. i used to be amazed by this. anyways, im sure you're right though zach, you are 99% of the time, and most likely have tried the smash strat for a larger sample size than me(about 1yr ago for 1k hands 6 tabling), so i wont argue with you. BUTthis does not make you as good a player and will hurt you almost assuredly when you move past the smaller buy in limits. not saying that 100, 200 and 400 NL is big, JS. CUT TO THE CHASE:20 tabling smash's strat will almost assuredly pay off more than 1-4 tabling w/normal NL strat, BUT smash's strat will not help develop your game as well.This is all true. Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 i just printed this outHeh. Link to post Share on other sites
MychCumstien 0 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 ok, just tried the Smash method for a few hours, played a little over 1000 hands, 6 tabling on party, $1/2 NL. Smash is a moron, plain and simple. A couple fundamental flaws with this system, you're reduced to playing the cards, not the player. Good players aren't calling their entire stacks on the flop, unless they have you beat. Bad players may call once in awhile, but only if they hit top pair or better.So let's see, if I'm 8-1 to flop a set when I get a PP, which is not that often, I then move all in on the flop. Now my opponent is only going to call if he sucks, but has a piece of it, and he's only going to catch a piece of it 1/3rd of the time. That's not very often.After playing this method, I played it to the T, abandoning my regular sound method of play, (I'm an idiot) and only got called once out of 8 times flopping a set. It doubled me up, won $200, but it's one of the only hands I did win the entire session based on this method. By only limping preflop in any position with only Axs, and any PP, I'm not winning enough pots to offset the cost of the blinds and of the limping I'm incurring. I won $200, but ended up spending $400 in blinds/ limping.All in preflop with KK is retarded. Not enough players are calling with hands like AK or AQ. I know I'll get called by AA, and then be a 4-1 dog, this is trash.Not raising QQ ever is retarded as well, it's litterally throwing away EV. I can understand limping with it sometimes/ mix it up a bit, but that's about it.Summary, this strategy is overly simple, and may help beginners of the game not get busted as often, and the all in method may bust the occasional donk once in awhile, but you won't bust people often enough to offset the costs of the blinds and the limping while multi-tabling. At best you may break even. Now this was at 1/2 NL, I can't speak for the lower limits than that.Anyway, it didn't work for me, I ended up down 2 hundy overall, and I honestly feel stupider for having tried. Link to post Share on other sites
rwood 0 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 ok, just tried the Smash method for a few hours, played a little over 1000 hands, 6 tabling on party, $1/2 NL. Smash is a moron, plain and simple. A couple fundamental flaws with this system, you're reduced to playing the cards, not the player. Good players aren't calling their entire stacks on the flop, unless they have you beat. Bad players may call once in awhile, but only if they hit top pair or better.So let's see, if I'm 8-1 to flop a set when I get a PP, which is not that often, I then move all in on the flop. Now my opponent is only going to call if he sucks, but has a piece of it, and he's only going to catch a piece of it 1/3rd of the time. That's not very often.After playing this method, I played it to the T, abandoning my regular sound method of play, (I'm an idiot) and only got called once out of 8 times flopping a set. It doubled me up, won $200, but it's one of the only hands I did win the entire session based on this method. By only limping preflop in any position with only Axs, and any PP, I'm not winning enough pots to offset the cost of the blinds and of the limping I'm incurring. I won $200, but ended up spending $400 in blinds/ limping.All in preflop with KK is retarded. Not enough players are calling with hands like AK or AQ. I know I'll get called by AA, and then be a 4-1 dog, this is trash.Not raising QQ ever is retarded as well, it's litterally throwing away EV. I can understand limping with it sometimes/ mix it up a bit, but that's about it.Summary, this strategy is overly simple, and may help beginners of the game not get busted as often, and the all in method may bust the occasional donk once in awhile, but you won't bust people often enough to offset the costs of the blinds and the limping while multi-tabling. At best you may break even. Now this was at 1/2 NL, I can't speak for the lower limits than that.Anyway, it didn't work for me, I ended up down 2 hundy overall, and I honestly feel stupider for having tried. can i get a QFMFT???!?!?!?!? Link to post Share on other sites
Canary3 1 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 obv as soon as i doule through itll be four tablesyou will need to play much more than four tables to not feel very very boredI know smash said his strat would work all the way up to 400 nl but i dont think it works over 50nl. I have had success 8 tabling stars 10 nlok, just tried the Smash method for a few hours, played a little over 1000 hands, 6 tabling on party, $1/2 NL. Smash is a moron, plain and simple. A couple fundamental flaws with this system, you're reduced to playing the cards, not the player. Good players aren't calling their entire stacks on the flop, unless they have you beat. Bad players may call once in awhile, but only if they hit top pair or better.So let's see, if I'm 8-1 to flop a set when I get a PP, which is not that often, I then move all in on the flop. Now my opponent is only going to call if he sucks, but has a piece of it, and he's only going to catch a piece of it 1/3rd of the time. That's not very often.After playing this method, I played it to the T, abandoning my regular sound method of play, (I'm an idiot) and only got called once out of 8 times flopping a set. It doubled me up, won $200, but it's one of the only hands I did win the entire session based on this method. By only limping preflop in any position with only Axs, and any PP, I'm not winning enough pots to offset the cost of the blinds and of the limping I'm incurring. I won $200, but ended up spending $400 in blinds/ limping.All in preflop with KK is retarded. Not enough players are calling with hands like AK or AQ. I know I'll get called by AA, and then be a 4-1 dog, this is trash.Not raising QQ ever is retarded as well, it's litterally throwing away EV. I can understand limping with it sometimes/ mix it up a bit, but that's about it.Summary, this strategy is overly simple, and may help beginners of the game not get busted as often, and the all in method may bust the occasional donk once in awhile, but you won't bust people often enough to offset the costs of the blinds and the limping while multi-tabling. At best you may break even. Now this was at 1/2 NL, I can't speak for the lower limits than that.Anyway, it didn't work for me, I ended up down 2 hundy overall, and I honestly feel stupider for having tried. I also find it funny that you've played 1000 hands and think it doesnt work. drop down a few levels and play 20,000 hands and see if you like it any better Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Igonrance...Hi,THE POINT OF THE STRATEGY IS NOT TO PLAY GOOD POKER AND PLAY THE PLAYER.THE POINT IS TO MAKE THE MOST MONEY WITH THE LEAST RISK BY PLAYING A MILLION TABLES OF SMALL STAKES NO LIMIT OVER TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HANDS.WHY IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
Canary3 1 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Hi,THE POINT OF THE STRATEGY IS NOT TO PLAY GOOD POKER AND PLAY THE PLAYER.THE POINT IS TO MAKE THE MOST MONEY WITH THE LEAST RISK BY PLAYING A MILLION TABLES OF SMALL STAKES NO LIMIT OVER TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HANDS.WHY IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?- Zachi love how you always say hi first. Link to post Share on other sites
rwood 0 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Hi,THE POINT OF THE STRATEGY IS NOT TO PLAY GOOD POKER AND PLAY THE PLAYER.THE POINT IS TO MAKE THE MOST MONEY WITH THE LEAST RISK BY PLAYING A MILLION TABLES OF SMALL STAKES NO LIMIT OVER TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HANDS.WHY IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?- Zachzach are you saying that playing 20 tables of 10nl will yield a higher profit than 1-4 tables of 200 or 400 nl? what i totally agree with you on is that this works better for smaller limits than playing a sound strategy on just a few tables. Link to post Share on other sites
Canary3 1 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I think hes saying that its much less risky to play 20 tables of smash Link to post Share on other sites
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