Strat Tournament On Stars

[TeeSludge 0]

That is an interesting play, I will definitely have to try and incorporate that into my game. I wouldn't usually check TPTK, because I honestly don't feel comfortable enough with the hand to let the other player take charge of the betting. With the set, I was praying that you would push (doh!), whereas with AQ, if I checked and you pushed, I might have to consider laying it down. Is that too weak/tight? I probably wouldn't lay it down, but I'd have to at least think about it

It depends a lot on the player that you are playing against obv. Thinking back on this particular hand I actually thought you had AQ. I thought if I raised on the flop you might fold AQ, correctly. I also thought that by pushing all-in on the turn you would call me with AQ but would fold it had I bet like 1k as weird as that sounds. Obviously, each player is different and the good players vary their plays but from my experience most players make smaller value bets with strong hands on the turn and tend to push their weaker hands... all goes back to the strong means weak and weak means strong. In this particular hand my range of hands is pretty wide.. I could have 67, J10, 910, KQ, AQ, QJ, Q10, and some other weird hands. In this situation we were the top two stacks (I believe) so I would play a lot of hands preflop from the button against you. Additionally, if this was in the mid stages of a MTT I would probably have folded your hand PF in your position. I'm never a big stickler on pf play because everyone has different styles but I'd much rather raise 79d from the CO than 55 from up front.

[ChrisRichey 1]

The main reason I raised with 55, as opposed to limping (no way I am folding that with the cl), is because of the respect I had gotten thus far at the table. When I had AA and KK, all I got was the blinds, so I was hoping nobody was strong enough to come over the top there. Thank you for the mini-lesson, I look forward to playing against you next week. I will have my revenge!

[TeeSludge 0]

The main reason I raised with 55, as opposed to limping (no way I am folding that with the cl), is because of the respect I had gotten thus far at the table. When I had AA and KK, all I got was the blinds, so I was hoping nobody was strong enough to come over the top there. Thank you for the mini-lesson, I look forward to playing against you next week. I will have my revenge!

I def. would have raised with 55 in your position as well at that point in the tourney. Also, thinking back on my "mini-lesson", lol in reference to the AQ play that I suggested.. just remember not to get to crazy with any kind of "fancy play syndrome". If we think the villain has a hand like KQ or QJ and will continue to pay us off to the river then we should obviously continue betting for value. Also, if we think our opponent has some sort of OESD or FD and won't bet the turn if we check to him then obv. we should continue betting as well. I play a lot of hands strangely when I'm out of position. I like to keep my pots small OOP and I also am able to get a better read when my opponent makes a bet as opposed to when he just calls or raises my bet. I think one of my strengths is recognizing strength or weakness based on betting patterns and that is tough to do when you are OOP and your opponent is just calling your bets.

[Flushgarden 0]

I'm definitely in the next one. I need to redeem myself.Tre, what did you have in that first hand where we went at it? You were the button and I was the BB. I had air. lol

[Actuary 3]

anyone else 2 outted in an all in preflop (Copernicus all in, not me) ?I couldn't get anything going after that; but winning that gets me the CL early.

[throwemaway 0]

anyone else 2 outted in an all in preflop (Copernicus all in, not me) ?I couldn't get anything going after that; but winning that gets me the CL early.

Yeah you already doubled through me so you coulda really been in charge Btw, what would you have done in my spot, against you in the hand that eliminated me early..I'll refresh details if you don't recall..First blind level, 6 handed, I raised utg to 80 w/ 10 9 hearts, you called in the BBFlop was A 10 6, with the Ace and 6 of hearts...You checked, I bet 100, and you pushed all in..we had about even stacks of 1400-1500ish

[Actuary 3]

Yeah you already doubled through me so you coulda really been in charge Btw, what would you have done in my spot, against you in the hand that eliminated me early..I'll refresh details if you don't recall..First blind level, 6 handed, I raised utg to 80 w/ 10 9 hearts, you called in the BBFlop was A 10 6, with the Ace and 6 of hearts...You checked, I bet 100, and you pushed all in..we had about even stacks of 1400-1500ish

I'd be like "What is that retard Actuary pushing with ?"Against any logical range, you'd have to think you had 14 outs most of the time. The times you don't (I have 66) are probably offset by the times you are ahead. Although, I'd never push 99 here, or a FD w/o a pair. So, my push is just silly in your eyes, and I wondered what you read it for.I tend to push monsters there as well though, like 66.Early on against a tough field, I think you made the right call.I'm so used to playing my 6 Man STT"s on Party, I put you on an Ace and was hoping to have you dominated and thinking I was semi bluffing.

[meservery 0]

Who wants another one next week, same time, same place?

i'll be out of town for the next couple weeks. but i'll be back around mid october to donk out in the first blind level again. :lol:nice job setting this up. it was fun.

[throwemaway 0]

I'd be like "What is that retard Actuary pushing with ?"Against any logical range, you'd have to think you had 14 outs most of the time. The times you don't (I have 66) are probably offset by the times you are ahead. Although, I'd never push 99 here, or a FD w/o a pair. So, my push is just silly in your eyes, and I wondered what you read it for.I tend to push monsters there as well though, like 66.Early on against a tough field, I think you made the right call.I'm so used to playing my 6 Man STT"s on Party, I put you on an Ace and was hoping to have you dominated and thinking I was semi bluffing.

My thought process at the time..I thought this could a number of things.. First, I discounted a set with the c/rai..Seemed like you would want to extract more if you had thatI also thought it could be a higher flush draw, something like KQ of hearts, in which case were coinflipping since you have 6 outs for your overs, 4 jacks, and the rest of the hearts against my pair of 10sBut the hand I put you, like I figured, was a strong ace, AK or AQ, and I'll take 14 2x like you said, against a strong field early..I was also playing a 22 180 and doing fairly well at the time, so whatever...Bahhhhhh I haven't hit a draw in like 8 years! lol

[caribstv 0]

I'm in for the next one

[goheels 0]

I'm in for the next one...same time and place? That works for me.I was 3 outed by some donkey for 50% of the chips in play seriously, it was a really good time and everyone played really well, especially tremomey (he deserved the win for sure). Good luck next week.

[Actuary 3]

I'm in for the next one...same time and place? That works for me.I was 3 outed by some donkey for 50% of the chips in play seriously, it was a really good time and everyone played really well, especially tremomey (he deserved the win for sure). Good luck next week.

post that JJ hand vs ChrisRichey ( but don't give results )*********I need to review my AQ push over the UTG raise for 40% of his stack. Logan? cdippiepr on fcp. I think I was low enough to make it correct against a strong field. Also, wonder if I needed to repop some players post flop and not give up. Generall, card dead except early on.***********

[TeeSludge 0]

I'm definitely in the next one. I need to redeem myself.Tre, what did you have in that first hand where we went at it? You were the button and I was the BB. I had air. lol

PokerStars Game #6444132872: Tournament #32654669, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/09/27 - 22:01:06 (ET)Table '32654669 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: Phil Logan (1500 in chips) Seat 2: fan1080 (1490 in chips) Seat 3: PokeHerPros (1500 in chips) Seat 4: Tremomey (1460 in chips) Seat 5: gobears (1670 in chips) Seat 6: danny2271 (1440 in chips) Seat 9: ChrisRichey (1440 in chips) gobears: posts small blind 10danny2271: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Tremomey [Ts 2d]ChrisRichey: folds Phil Logan: folds fan1080: folds PokeHerPros: folds Tremomey: raises 40 to 60gobears: folds danny2271: calls 40*** FLOP *** [6c 6s Td]danny2271: checks Tremomey: bets 80danny2271: raises 120 to 200Tremomey: calls 120*** TURN *** [6c 6s Td] [9s]danny2271: bets 360Tremomey: raises 840 to 1200 and is all-indanny2271: folds Tremomey collected 1250 from potTremomey: doesn't show hand danny2271 said, "wtf lol"

I'm in for the next one...same time and place? That works for me.I was 3 outed by some donkey for 50% of the chips in play seriously, it was a really good time and everyone played really well, especially tremomey (he deserved the win for sure). Good luck next week.

PokerStars Game #6445309478: Tournament #32654669, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/09/27 - 23:20:17 (ET)Table '32654669 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 2: fan1080 (1460 in chips) Seat 4: Tremomey (7735 in chips) Seat 5: gobears (1910 in chips) Seat 7: TheDominator (1910 in chips) Seat 8: JAS II (4550 in chips) Seat 9: ChrisRichey (1935 in chips) TheDominator: posts small blind 75JAS II: posts big blind 150*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Tremomey [Ah Kd]ChrisRichey: folds fan1080: folds Tremomey: raises 300 to 450gobears: folds TheDominator: folds JAS II: raises 1050 to 1500Tremomey: raises 6235 to 7735 and is all-inJAS II: calls 3050 and is all-inTremomey said, "ek"*** FLOP *** [3c As 6h]Tremomey said, "eeek"*** TURN *** [3c As 6h] [9h]*** RIVER *** [3c As 6h 9h] [6c]JAS II said, "awesome"*** SHOW DOWN ***JAS II: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)Tremomey: shows [Ah Kd] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)gobears said, "gg"Tremomey said, "gg UL"DONKEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Actuary 3]

Tremomey:you know he's never c/r-ing a 6 there, I guess.thus you know hes' not calling the turnHow do you not put him on a better T ?Were you looking to set an image right there? How much of that relied on FE and how much did you think you were ahead.thanks***********oh, and what does "float" mean. Is that semi bluffing a draw ?

[goheels 0]

I can't get the converter to work to show stack sizes, so this is the best I can do.PokerStars Game #6444460188: Tournament #32654669, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/09/27 - 22:23:16 (ET)Table '32654669 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Phil Logan (510 in chips) Seat 2: fan1080 (1000 in chips) Seat 3: CancerSucks (3280 in chips) Seat 4: Tremomey (2360 in chips) Seat 5: gobears (3160 in chips) Seat 6: aucu (2445 in chips) Seat 7: TheDominator (1235 in chips) Seat 8: JAS II (3720 in chips) Seat 9: ChrisRichey (1790 in chips) CancerSucks: posts small blind 15Tremomey: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to JAS II [Jh Js]gobears: folds aucu: folds TheDominator: calls 30JAS II: raises 90 to 120ChrisRichey: calls 120Phil Logan: folds fan1080: folds CancerSucks: folds Tremomey: calls 90TheDominator: calls 90*** FLOP *** [8h 2h 5d]Tremomey: checks TheDominator: checks JAS II: bets 350ChrisRichey: raises 550 to 900Tremomey: folds TheDominator: folds JAS II: ??????????Thedominator = CopernicusChrisrichey = ChrisricheyTremomey = Donkey

[TeeSludge 0]

Tremomey:you know he's never c/r-ing a 6 there, I guess.thus you know hes' not calling the turnHow do you not put him on a better T ?Were you looking to set an image right there? How much of that relied on FE and how much did you think you were ahead.thanks***********oh, and what does "float" mean. Is that semi bluffing a draw ?

I really felt like he had nothing on the flop. It was close between whether I was going to re-push on the flop or push his turn bet. If anything I thought he might have some sort of small PP. I don't have any idea of how he played prior to that hand obviously, was just going with my instincts on the hand while also setting a bit of an image for myself. I was about 85% sure I was ahead but I was also pretty sure he might fold a hand like 910, J10 maybe. So a little of both. Floating means calling a c-bet on the flop planning on taking the pot away on either the turn or the river. If I'm up against a player who consistently makes c-bets but won't fire the 2nd bullet, I will often "float" on the flop by making the call of the c-bet and making a bet on the turn when checked to. It helps to have some sort of draw obv. just in case they have a hand. This usually results in someone talking about their bad beat after I called their 3/4 bet on the flop when they had a set and I picked off a gutshot, lol.

[goheels 0]

oh, and what does "float" mean. Is that semi bluffing a draw ?

Floating is a delayed bluff. When you just call a flop bet from a preflop raiser with the intention of betting/raising later.

[TeeSludge 0]

I can't get the converter to work to show stack sizes, so this is the best I can do.PokerStars Game #6444460188: Tournament #32654669, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/09/27 - 22:23:16 (ET)Table '32654669 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Phil Logan (510 in chips) Seat 2: fan1080 (1000 in chips) Seat 3: CancerSucks (3280 in chips) Seat 4: Tremomey (2360 in chips) Seat 5: gobears (3160 in chips) Seat 6: aucu (2445 in chips) Seat 7: TheDominator (1235 in chips) Seat 8: JAS II (3720 in chips) Seat 9: ChrisRichey (1790 in chips) CancerSucks: posts small blind 15Tremomey: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to JAS II [Jh Js]gobears: folds aucu: folds TheDominator: calls 30JAS II: raises 90 to 120ChrisRichey: calls 120Phil Logan: folds fan1080: folds CancerSucks: folds Tremomey: calls 90TheDominator: calls 90*** FLOP *** [8h 2h 5d]Tremomey: checks TheDominator: checks JAS II: bets 350ChrisRichey: raises 550 to 900Tremomey: folds TheDominator: folds JAS II: ??????????Thedominator = CopernicusChrisrichey = ChrisricheyTremomey = Donkey

.. I had 99 that hand too. My thought process on that hand was I thought for sure once both Copern and and checked to you and you made that bet that you had a big hand, most likely a big PP but AKh or something like that is also possible. I don't think Chris is going crazy there with A8 there. I haven't seen how he played his drawing hands yet. I think his hand range is 99, 1010, 88, 55, 22. I don't know if he's thinking about it this way but the way I saw it is his size raise is certainly either a value raise or a show me if 99, 1010 is good. I think generally speaking AQh or AKh would be a bigger raise.He also has two players yet to act behind him, so raising 99 and 1010 there may be dangerous with two players behind him. Copern limped here so 22, 55 and 88 could easiliy be in his range. His raise looks like a set to me trying to get value from your PP and to protect his hand against any possible flush draws from the players behind him.

[goheels 0]

.. I had 99 that hand too. My thought process on that hand was I thought for sure once both Copern and and checked to you and you made that bet that you had a big hand, most likely a big PP but AKh or something like that is also possible. I don't think Chris is going crazy there with A8 there. I haven't seen how he played his drawing hands yet. I think his hand range is 99, 1010, 88, 55, 22. I don't know if he's thinking about it this way but the way I saw it is his size raise is certainly either a value raise or a show me if 99, 1010 is good. I think generally speaking AQh or AKh would be a bigger raise.He also has two players yet to act behind him, so raising 99 and 1010 there may be dangerous with two players behind him. Copern limped here so 22, 55 and 88 could easiliy be in his range. His raise looks like a set to me trying to get value from your PP and to protect his hand against any possible flush draws from the players behind him.

I thought it was one of those PP's but I also included AThh, AQhh, 77 and 66. I would make that raise with any of those hands trying to see where I was in the hand. He left himself around 700 chips which was plenty at the 15/30 level, so that looked he might have been raising enough to fold and still have some room to work with the blinds being so low. If this had been for all of MY chips it was a fold, but I still had 2000 if I put him all-in and lost and I was willing to gamble he was drawing with overs or had 99 or TT.

[TeeSludge 0]

I thought it was one of those PP's but I also included AThh, AQhh, 77 and 66. I would make that raise with any of those hands trying to see where I was in the hand. He left himself around 700 chips which was plenty at the 15/30 level, so that looked he might have been raising enough to fold and still have some room to work with the blinds being so low. If this had been for all of MY chips it was a fold, but I still had 2000 if I put him all-in and lost and I was willing to gamble he was drawing with overs or had 99 or TT.

Definetley.. your play was by no means horrible or even close to bad. Very difficult hand to get away from especially given your stack size at the time.

[Actuary 3]

that's tough goheels, because your modest bet into a multiway field and draw possibilities could give 99/TT some hope. and I think 99/TT does raise a good amount here, so you're left with little info, imoI'd probably lead out a pot bet on flop and then shut down to that raise.If Chris were all in, then you can put a semi-buff into the range and go from there.I'm not results oriented I hope, as I"d tend to bet pot on a 4 way flop there a lot, suited and all with an overpair

[TeeSludge 0]

that's tough goheels, because your modest bet into a multiway field and draw possibilities could give 99/TT some hope. and I think 99/TT does raise a good amount here, so you're left with little info, imoI'd probably lead out a pot bet on flop and then shut down to that raise.If Chris were all in, then you can put a semi-buff into the range and go from there.I'm not results oriented I hope, as I"d tend to bet pot on a 4 way flop there a lot, suited and all with an overpair

As an note. had Chris had 77 there and folded and it came to me with 99, I most likely would have just folded. This seems extremely weak/tight obv, but I was pretty convinced he had an overpair and I'd prefer to pick better spots.

[goheels 0]

As an note. had Chris had 77 there and folded and it came to me with 99, I most likely would have just folded. This seems extremely weak/tight obv, but I was pretty convinced he had an overpair and I'd prefer to pick better spots.

What about a raise and a CB automatically makes you think overpair? Did you not think I would CB into 3 players? I'm asking b/c clearly I need to do something to disguise my hand/vary my play.

[Flushgarden 0]

I really felt like he had nothing on the flop. It was close between whether I was going to re-push on the flop or push his turn bet. If anything I thought he might have some sort of small PP. I don't have any idea of how he played prior to that hand obviously, was just going with my instincts on the hand while also setting a bit of an image for myself. I was about 85% sure I was ahead but I was also pretty sure he might fold a hand like 910, J10 maybe. So a little of both. Floating means calling a c-bet on the flop planning on taking the pot away on either the turn or the river. If I'm up against a player who consistently makes c-bets but won't fire the 2nd bullet, I will often "float" on the flop by making the call of the c-bet and making a bet on the turn when checked to. It helps to have some sort of draw obv. just in case they have a hand. This usually results in someone talking about their bad beat after I called their 3/4 bet on the flop when they had a set and I picked off a gutshot, lol.

I don't know how you could have the balls to push with that hand. Very nice play. That turn bet of mine was designed to look like I was giving you slightly bad odds for a possible draw that you may have now since it was the 2nd spade and it put a 9 and a 10 together. Most of the time people fold on the turn in that sutuation. I know I would if somebody did to me what I did to you. I would have picked up on the size of the bet. But then again I wouldnt have tried to steal the blinds in the first level with 10-2o.I'm glad you at least had a pair though. I knew it was a pissing contest and I was getting outplayed, but at least you had a better hand than me. Btw, I had K5o.Next time I'm a rock early.

[Actuary 3]

who calls preflop?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)UTG (t90)MP (t3015)Button (t1115)SB (t2910)Actuary (t3310)Preflop: Actuary is BB with , . UTG raises to t90 All In, MP calls t90, 1 fold, SB raises to t270, Actuary foldsUTG: PokeHerPros aka IQcrashMP: Jas II aka goheelssb: aucuno way right?**************So flop comesAd 7c Ts ( 660 pot )SB (aucu) leads for 210MP (goheels) Raises to 1000SB: "KK" and folds.I see the flop and puke, then I see that goheels has 77 and I'm relieved, then the river is an Ace! But my question is: Why did you raise so much goheels ? You're either killed by AA/TT in which case you have to go broke, or you are way ahead of AT/AK/AQ/QQ/KK/ etc.just wondering.man..I woulda had a stack!